Just killed Isra-Zamiel on NG+ Nightmare, boring.

[Grandork]

Before anything, let me just say I'm a cheap mofo. In NG I chose my items and bonds, that means that I fought Isra on level 110 with Level 4 Master Quartz (didn't care about leveling it).

The all powerful "optional super boss" didn't even play single turn with my Rean hitting him for 150~300k damage every 200 CP S-Craft (if you can use Tauros 5 and have 2 Cordon, it should be around 200~400k). How you may ask? Emma had all 3 EP-Reduction Quartz + Speed + 300 EP Quartz, that made her have an EP pool of 1400+ and a Burst that cost only 160. Effectively she had infinite turns, since I could just recover her EP to full and once again have 8 rounds of Burst. What did I do on those rounds? Gave STR elixir to Rean and CP filling items like the Tomato Soup (77 CP) or just the Capsule (200 CP) and used his S-Craft.

4 S-Craft latter and this "Super Boss" is dead.

At the level my Fie was, Perma Invisible and Full Evade couldn't kill the boss because he recovers WAY too much. She lacks the damage.

Infinite Turn Emma with all 5 Cast Time reduction items allowed me to kill the boss, but it did take much longer than the Rean strategy. How does this work? Like this: Cast 1, Cast 2, Diablos, Quick Caliber S x2 = Cast Time Multiplies of 0.1725. Any spell that falls below the 1 Delay is instant cast. That means she only needs 87 speed to cast Fire Bolt with 0 Delay. Throw on the increase magic damage by 125% (was level 4) when HP is low and just use the item that puts character near death. Bam, now you are hitting it for 10k~12k damage a turn. In order for her to act before boss kills her, make sure to have Rean on 150+ Speed and Grail Burst. Around 70 Spells and the boss is dead. Takes MUCH longer than the Rean strat though.

Anyway, sad boss.

[The Tempted Man]

Cool story bro

[Erlkönig]

>he needs to exploit the game to make it feel easy

why try so hard

[Grandork]

Originally posted by Erlkönig:

>he needs to exploit the game to make it feel easy

why try so hard

Except it's not hard. I'm literally 40 levels under the boss. Any decent build will steam roll the boss unless they gimp themselves.

Be it Delay Stacking, Avoidance, Turn Stacking, Stat Stacking, literally anything other than just choosing random Quartz for the hell of it.

[RegalStar]

since when has kiseki been hard

[HunterRassius]

Originally posted by RegalStar:

since when has kiseki been hard

When you start a NG Nightmare in the "Sora" series?

[Grandork]

Originally posted by RegalStar:

since when has kiseki been hard

It's meant to be the Optional Super Boss that has 3 times more HP than the final boss and is a lot more powerful. In the end, it doesn't really matter, because the game mechanics allow for retarded things such as infinite turns.

[Erlkönig]

Originally posted by Grandork:

Originally posted by RegalStar:

since when has kiseki been hard

It's meant to be the Optional Super Boss that has 3 times more HP than the final boss and is a lot more powerful. In the end, it doesn't really matter, because the game mechanics allow for retarded things such as infinite turns.

It's simple, just don't equip Impede Quartz, don't equip Chrono Bursts, and don't use Zerum items to spam Spirit Unification and Termination Dawn with Rean manning that haxx0r Vermillion Quartz or Murakumo or Orochi or whatever your broken ♥♥♥♥ of choice is.

[Grandork]

Originally posted by Erlkönig:

Originally posted by Grandork:

It's meant to be the Optional Super Boss that has 3 times more HP than the final boss and is a lot more powerful. In the end, it doesn't really matter, because the game mechanics allow for retarded things such as infinite turns.

It's simple, just don't equip Impede Quartz, don't equip Chrono Bursts, and don't use Zerum items to spam Spirit Unification and Termination Dawn with Rean manning that haxx0r Vermillion Quartz or Murakumo or Orochi or whatever your broken ♥♥♥♥ of choice is.

Or use Evasion stacking, or use Defense and Stat Debuff stacking, or really, only reasonable way to play is allow the game to choose the Quartz for you.

[Erlkönig]

Originally posted by Grandork:

Originally posted by Erlkönig:

It's simple, just don't equip Impede Quartz, don't equip Chrono Bursts, and don't use Zerum items to spam Spirit Unification and Termination Dawn with Rean manning that haxx0r Vermillion Quartz or Murakumo or Orochi or whatever your broken ♥♥♥♥ of choice is.

Or use Evasion stacking, or use Defense and Stat Debuff stacking, or really, only reasonable way to play is allow the game to choose the Quartz for you.

How is Defense actually useful? The defense stat has never done anything for me in Hard difficulty. McBurn would have slayed me with a single S-Craft if I didn't have Artemis' Tears.

[Grandork]

Originally posted by Erlkönig:

Originally posted by Grandork:

Or use Evasion stacking, or use Defense and Stat Debuff stacking, or really, only reasonable way to play is allow the game to choose the Quartz for you.

How is Defense actually useful? The defense stat has never done anything for me in Hard difficulty. McBurn would have slayed me with a single S-Craft if I didn't have Artemis' Tears.

Alone? Not much. You need Stat stacking with buff and debuff. It gets to the point that bosses on Nightmare deal around 20% of your HP. Worse than Evasion, but still good enough. With the correct Master Quartz, it won't deal more than 5% of your HP, other than their S Craft.

In the end of the day, it's just plain better to stack STR and kill the enemy in quick S-Craft than stack Defense/Evade and take a long grind to kill.

The way Defense vs STR work is that the higher the difference, the lower/higher exponentially it gets. That's why stat stacking, even if minimal, does a huger amount of difference, things like "What's an extra 30 STR when I have 2800". It's a lot.

[Play Metaphor]

Originally posted by HunterRassius:

Originally posted by RegalStar:

since when has kiseki been hard

When you start a NG Nightmare in the "Sora" series?

[Stabbey]

*shrug* I used a special save to start my first playthrough as a NG+ for max bonding points, and I beat it on Hard mode at about level 115 with unlevelled master quartz by nuking it down before it got a third turn, just by setting up my characters carefully, using my Overdrives wisely and spending a Zeram Capsule.