Dissapointing after 3 years of waiting.

[Ursariel]

Imagine waiting 3 years for a game and it turns out you can only make your character look andro, and ontop of that you're bombarded by Political correct "Lets not offend anyone" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from the get go. Actually disappointing. The starters dont even match up, the crystal type is weak against fire and earth but the melee type is strong against crystal? double check your Intro typings if its ment to teach people the game, if the first thing people are introduced to is this then im really glad i didnt back the kickstarter, its missing a base level of polish that even the crudest of indie games have had especially on this type of engine. really disheartened. Not to mention the entire combat is double battles with underlying mechanics that arent close to being explained, im aware its a beta but an actual explanation of convoluted mechanics would be nice. Games like this walk on eggshells whilst not needing to whilst leaving you in the dark to create an air of mystery and challenge which is superficial, its hard to enjoy something you dont understand, beta test or no it reflects the game since its ready for release in a few days.

[Ursariel]

Publicado originalmente por Elvick:

The girl literally has boobs and hips, how is it androgynous? People are blind.[gamepedia.cursecdn.com] The starter clothes are just bad. You can tell plainly what is a boy and what isn't. I will agree that I'd like more hair options though, but maybe one of the various shops has better ones than the starter things.

But people literally just want to be offend. Go pick their underwear options instead of putting on a bulky shirt and compare them. The difference is clear.

And really dude, you can't just pick a pronoun and move on with your life? Grow up. You'll forget it was ever an option unless you want to be offended by it.

If im offending with an opinion that clearly isnt shared with the vocal majority then the problem is with the vocal majority not being able to take opinionated criticism, it doesnt sit right with me, Thats it. as for the pronouns, do you walk up to a hotdog stand and make your order and before the server replies you tell him your pronouns? No, its not something thats needed and the fact its being normalized in a form of escape from reality is disconcerting. Can i just select it and move on? Yes, But if you can select between male or female then is there really a point to selecting pronouns? Whats the point of transitioning if people cant tell by your appearance what you want to be refered to as? Its a needless option to me, and if the option was "Would you like to be refered to as "They/Them" or not with a simple yes no. whilst still unneeded BECAUSE ITS A VIDEOGAME, Is still better than treading on eggshells.

Im glad you enjoy the game and it doesnt bother you, Good im glad and i hope you enjoy your purchase, These kind of things are a deal breaker for me. hard to escape reality into a game when the foundations of the game are based on political agenda.

[Baby Jesus]

Publicado originalmente por Strixyn:

I might be being too critical because it didnt live up to what i was expecting, which to be fair expectations are hard to live up to, At no point was i made aware that my temtem could faint from exhaustion for example which bugged me and i was having a hard time understanding why it was, As for the typings being clear, if you have no idea what typings are like being introduced to them in the way the first 3 starters were where theres a clear disconnect between the crystal and melee isnt something i would expect from a game this long in development,

Im glad you enjoy the game and it lived up to its hype for you. Hope you keep enjoying it!

Doesn't it gives you a message along the lines of "Temtem knocked itself out due to over exertion" and each time you use a move that uses more than your current stamina you get a similar message like "Temtem has hurt itself due to over exertion"

Melee is strong against Crystal and weak to Mental
Crystal is strong against Mental and weak to Melee
Mental is strong against Melee and weak to Crystal

Temtem has a learning curve for sure but that's something I love about it Pokemon never felt deep and even if something was strong against me I generally didn't need to change because I could stomp everything in the game effortlessly due to it having a very easy difficulty.

Temtem constantly challenges you and that is a great thing for people who want that rewarding feeling you get when you master a game rather than spam the same button because your main attack is good enough for 90% of the game.

[Baby Jesus]

Publicado originalmente por Strixyn:

If im offending with an opinion that clearly isnt shared with the vocal majority then the problem is with the vocal majority not being able to take opinionated criticism, it doesnt sit right with me, Thats it. as for the pronouns, do you walk up to a hotdog stand and make your order and before the server replies you tell him your pronouns? No, its not something thats needed and the fact its being normalized in a form of escape from reality is disconcerting. Can i just select it and move on? Yes, But if you can select between male or female then is there really a point to selecting pronouns? Whats the point of transitioning if people cant tell by your appearance what you want to be refered to as? Its a needless option to me, and if the option was "Would you like to be refered to as "They/Them" or not with a simple yes no. whilst still unneeded BECAUSE ITS A VIDEOGAME, Is still better than treading on eggshells.

Im glad you enjoy the game and it doesnt bother you, Good im glad and i hope you enjoy your purchase, These kind of things are a deal breaker for me. hard to escape reality into a game when the foundations of the game are based on political agenda.

When I walk up to a hotdog stand I also don't select my appearance, clothes, hairstyle etc

It is just an added layer of customization which I argue there should always be more of rather than less.

Some RPG let me customize my eye brows and forehead shape/size, I don't care about these options but it doesn't mean they should be taken out just because I personally don't want it in the game pushing the forehead agenda.

I think Temtem just isn't the game for you and that's fine maybe one day someone will make your dream monster collecting game that doesn't let people select pronouns and has a very easy difficulty.

[Ursariel]

Publicado originalmente por Baby Jesus:

Publicado originalmente por Strixyn:

I might be being too critical because it didnt live up to what i was expecting, which to be fair expectations are hard to live up to, At no point was i made aware that my temtem could faint from exhaustion for example which bugged me and i was having a hard time understanding why it was, As for the typings being clear, if you have no idea what typings are like being introduced to them in the way the first 3 starters were where theres a clear disconnect between the crystal and melee isnt something i would expect from a game this long in development,

Im glad you enjoy the game and it lived up to its hype for you. Hope you keep enjoying it!

Doesn't it gives you a message along the lines of "Temtem knocked itself out due to over exertion" and each time you use a move that uses more than your current stamina you get a similar message like "Temtem has hurt itself due to over exertion"

Melee is strong against Crystal and weak to Mental
Crystal is strong against Mental and weak to Melee
Mental is strong against Melee and weak to Crystal

Temtem has a learning curve for sure but that's something I love about it Pokemon never felt deep and even if something was strong against me I generally didn't need to change because I could stomp everything in the game effortlessly due to it having a very easy difficulty.

Temtem constantly challenges you and that is a great thing for people who want that rewarding feeling you get when you master a game rather than spam the same button because your main attack is good enough for 90% of the game.

To me the challenge of pokemon was never the story, it was online battles and competitive battles. Always felt to me (Bar gen 1 and 2) That was the direction in which the game was headed, reasons why sites like smogon and Showdown exist is to help you make teams for that setting, thats where to me the challenge lies.

Temtem on the other hand is the same thing which so far seems to show that the challenge is in the main story and whilst i can see competitive battles being more appealing i cant see them holding ground, just like competitive doubles isnt really a big scene in pokemon, its already a challenge enough keeping track of typings move sets natures aswell as combo's and switch ins without having to worry about a resource. and whilst PP could be comparable, it never causes your pokemon to hurt itself unless you deplete it all which is very unlikely to ever happen in an actual battle ( If you arent able to deal with a wall and are getting stalled to death then you need to rethink your team comp) the learning curve seems more focused on using that resource as an extra layer of difficulty. the typings are essentially the same with different names, So atleast to me thats where the curve starts, And no i never had any of those messages, So maybe thats on me for either not noticing or they werent there, likely i didnt notice but that was never explained, And yeah you could make the argument that you play and learn but it doesnt feel good to me personally or to a few other people i tried the game with.

I wouldnt know but if the resource meter (Exhaustion bar?) gets bigger the more your tem tem levels then great! it becomes easier to manage, but it seems odd at the start.

[Isilith]

My only problem is what else there is to do after beating the game's version of elite 4? Just pvping against other players and breeding? I just hope there is more content than beat the game use your storyline winning pokemon to capture a set to breed then using that offspring enhance it's TV's to the stats you want while using a GP stealing method over and over then just battle against other players until you get bored. Hosuing is a good start but I feel there needs to be more content than what we've been playing since red/blue on pokemon. Maybe I am just expecting too much.

[Ursariel]

Publicado originalmente por Baby Jesus:

Publicado originalmente por Strixyn:

If im offending with an opinion that clearly isnt shared with the vocal majority then the problem is with the vocal majority not being able to take opinionated criticism, it doesnt sit right with me, Thats it. as for the pronouns, do you walk up to a hotdog stand and make your order and before the server replies you tell him your pronouns? No, its not something thats needed and the fact its being normalized in a form of escape from reality is disconcerting. Can i just select it and move on? Yes, But if you can select between male or female then is there really a point to selecting pronouns? Whats the point of transitioning if people cant tell by your appearance what you want to be refered to as? Its a needless option to me, and if the option was "Would you like to be refered to as "They/Them" or not with a simple yes no. whilst still unneeded BECAUSE ITS A VIDEOGAME, Is still better than treading on eggshells.

Im glad you enjoy the game and it doesnt bother you, Good im glad and i hope you enjoy your purchase, These kind of things are a deal breaker for me. hard to escape reality into a game when the foundations of the game are based on political agenda.

When I walk up to a hotdog stand I also don't select my appearance, clothes, hairstyle etc

It is just an added layer of customization which I argue there should always be more of rather than less.

Some RPG let me customize my eye brows and forehead shape/size, I don't care about these options but it doesn't mean they should be taken out just because I personally don't want it in the game pushing the forehead agenda.

I think Temtem just isn't the game for you and that's fine maybe one day someone will make your dream monster collecting game that doesn't let people select pronouns and has a very easy difficulty.

"I think Temtem just isn't the game for you and that's fine maybe one day someone will make your dream monster collecting game that doesn't let people select pronouns and has a very easy difficulty"

You just went from someone i was enjoying having a discussion with to Irrelevant, you had good arguments and counter points why go ahead switch it around on yourself? just because i didnt understand something doesnt mean i want a very easy monster collecting game, if that was what i was after i wouldnt spend my time playing pokemon competitively. Thanks for your actual opinions and counterpoints it got me to see a different perspective on the game but i can already see theres no point going further. Have a good one.

[Baby Jesus]

Publicado originalmente por Strixyn:

To me the challenge of pokemon was never the story, it was online battles and competitive battles. Always felt to me (Bar gen 1 and 2) That was the direction in which the game was headed, reasons why sites like smogon and Showdown exist is to help you make teams for that setting, thats where to me the challenge lies.

Temtem on the other hand is the same thing which so far seems to show that the challenge is in the main story and whilst i can see competitive battles being more appealing i cant see them holding ground, just like competitive doubles isnt really a big scene in pokemon, its already a challenge enough keeping track of typings move sets natures aswell as combo's and switch ins without having to worry about a resource. and whilst PP could be comparable, it never causes your pokemon to hurt itself unless you deplete it all which is very unlikely to ever happen in an actual battle ( If you arent able to deal with a wall and are getting stalled to death then you need to rethink your team comp) the learning curve seems more focused on using that resource as an extra layer of difficulty. the typings are essentially the same with different names, So atleast to me thats where the curve starts, And no i never had any of those messages, So maybe thats on me for either not noticing or they werent there, likely i didnt notice but that was never explained, And yeah you could make the argument that you play and learn but it doesnt feel good to me personally or to a few other people i tried the game with.

I wouldnt know but if the resource meter (Exhaustion bar?) gets bigger the more your tem tem levels then great! it becomes easier to manage, but it seems odd at the start.

What people want out of a game will vary wildly from person to person.
I want games to have a challenging story where my ability to learn and master mechanics are rewarded.

When I reach the end of a game and NPC keep telling me how great I am I want to feel that I earned it, I hate getting to that point and feeling like I should reply with "It was nothing I just kept pressing one button and won every battle"

For me personally I have loved the stamina system from my very first battle.
Stamina feels like a much more balanced system where using a super powerful move has consequences, I can't just use my most powerful move over and over until I won the battle then go heal up to do it again.

If I choose to use my most powerful ability I might not have enough stamina to do anything else without recovering so using a move that is a little weaker is actually viable instead of useless.

The exhaustion messages are definitely there, I would need to find a video of a temtem battle and find a moment where someone does it as the servers are not up right now so I can't just screenshot it (I might do this sometime but I don't want to do it right at this moment).

[Baby Jesus]

Publicado originalmente por IsilithTehroth:

My only problem is what else there is to do after beating the game's version of elite 4? Just pvping against other players and breeding? I just hope there is more content than beat the game use your storyline winning pokemon to capture a set to breed then using that offspring enhance it's TV's to the stats you want while using a GP stealing method over and over then just battle against other players until you get bored. Hosuing is a good start but I feel there needs to be more content than what we've been playing since red/blue on pokemon. Maybe I am just expecting too much.

On the player is also a slot called "club" so there will one day be clubs that you can create and join.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9esHPiGzglw&feature=youtu.be

Specifically at the 1min mark they mention an end game area but there is no other info on it yet.

[Yahlunna]

Publicado originalmente por IsilithTehroth:

My only problem is what else there is to do after beating the game's version of elite 4? Just pvping against other players and breeding? I just hope there is more content than beat the game use your storyline winning pokemon to capture a set to breed then using that offspring enhance it's TV's to the stats you want while using a GP stealing method over and over then just battle against other players until you get bored. Hosuing is a good start but I feel there needs to be more content than what we've been playing since red/blue on pokemon. Maybe I am just expecting too much.

As far as we know, the studio promissed:
- A battle frontier thing.
- Arcade bar with mingiames.
- Competitive ladder system (this feature maybe won't require breeding appaarently)
- Weekly tournaments.
- Guild battles to conquer Dojos.

[mcnichoj]

I don't know why people get so ass blasted over Kickstarter games. Like I just move on with life and completely forget about them until their release date gets announced which is usually fairly close to when it actually releases. I play it, enjoy it and then move on. I never have the ridiculous expectation that a game scrounged together with peoples couch cushion money (I make this joke even though I myself have given hundreds of dollars to games) is going to be the greatest thing of all time.

[Baby Jesus]

Publicado originalmente por Strixyn:

"I think Temtem just isn't the game for you and that's fine maybe one day someone will make your dream monster collecting game that doesn't let people select pronouns and has a very easy difficulty"

You just went from someone i was enjoying having a discussion with to Irrelevant, you had good arguments and counter points why go ahead switch it around on yourself? just because i didnt understand something doesnt mean i want a very easy monster collecting game, if that was what i was after i wouldnt spend my time playing pokemon competitively. Thanks for your actual opinions and counterpoints it got me to see a different perspective on the game but i can already see theres no point going further. Have a good one.

Perhaps I should have used the words "easier difficulty" rather than "very easy difficulty" so for that I do apologize what I was trying to say is perhaps this just isn't what you have been searching for/waiting for and there is nothing wrong with that.

I just get a bit short tempered when people want things removed from a game because they don't agree with them as I feel developers should create the game they dreamed of and if that appeals to people great and if it doesn't that's fine too.
If someone wants to sell burgers made with dirt patties I support their decision regardless of how well it will sell because it is what they wanted to do, Give advice and feedback but telling people what they can and can't put into their product isn't something I agree with as they did not create it.

Even if you wanted a super duper easy game there is nothing wrong with that.
I want an extremely challenging game but that does not make me any better than anyone else it is just personal preference and there is nothing wrong with having those.

I also have casual games that I love and they are extremely easy to play but I still love them when I am in that kind of mood, The difficulty people desire from games will always vary and there's nothing wrong with having a preference for a genre regardless of what it is.

[YaW]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/745920/discussions/0/3195801484953650553/