Breeding system kinda ruined this game

[Weghorst]

The casual players jumped out, like me and my friends. No matter how hard you train your temtems, you will aways feels overwhelmed by people who knows and have time to breed perfect temtems.

[Ace High]

Eh, I mean anyone can put a lot of time into any game Wii sports golf speedruns have 15,000 tries. Anyone can a play any game for a long amount of time. If you enjoy temtem play it if not do not. Simple as that. If you want to get into competitive then you have to do a little leg work.

[Ventrix]

TemTem up

[Toastpiratewilly]

Originally posted by bielcap:

The casual players jumped out, like me and my friends. No matter how hard you train your temtems, you will aways feels overwhelmed by people who knows and have time to breed perfect temtems.

Ranked PvP scales SVs. Breeding is only good for every other part of the game, and getting eggmoves. Even then, most PvE scenarios don't require perfects. Green SV will do fine. Playing casually even you shouldn't need to worry about breeding.

[.]

simply don't play PVP.... pvp in any game is lame anyway.

[Kratos263]

Couple of points here.
1. Ranked PvP scales up SV, so breeding only matters for egg moves if that's what you want to do
2. If you don't want to breed you can simply buy the temtem from other players. This is the same as a job system from other MMOs where they would craft gear for the best equipment. Here, they breed temtem
3. In PvE instances (Story, Dojo rematches) having all green SVs is more than enough, and really easy to get. Catch and keep the good temtem you find, and when you need to breed it will go fast, low effort low money cost
4. Perfect SVs will matter mostly for in game tournaments (player made event and eventually actual game event too). I feel it's only fair that tournaments should favor the players who put the most efforts into their team

[Wolfguarde]

Ultra casual player here, I have 20+ perfects and barely play outside of dojo rematches and radars. Breeding isn't hard once you know what you're doing, and there's not really much else of worth to spend your ingame money on.

[BEYBLADE BEYBLADE LET IT RIP]

Yeah it's boring and tedious. They said they're trying to make it smoother but still haven't. The pvp playerbase is small as it is, they would benefit and it would keep more people playing long-term if it was improved.

[Sephiroth]

So you crying because you can't compete?

I like the breeding and it makes the game better.

[kaibioinfo]

Originally posted by bielcap:

The casual players jumped out, like me and my friends. No matter how hard you train your temtems, you will aways feels overwhelmed by people who knows and have time to breed perfect temtems.

This is the case for all MMORPGs. Just don't play PVP. Fortunately, the game can be enjoyed in co-op, too.

[Galroche]

if you don't want to invest the time/money to breed one, trade, many people sell perfect IV temtem and it will be cheaper than doing it yourself most of the time, unless you are really lucky and don't use those 100% IV transfert item.

[Azzo]

Originally posted by Kratos263:

Couple of points here.
1. Ranked PvP scales up SV, so breeding only matters for egg moves if that's what you want to do
2. If you don't want to breed you can simply buy the temtem from other players. This is the same as a job system from other MMOs where they would craft gear for the best equipment. Here, they breed temtem
3. In PvE instances (Story, Dojo rematches) having all green SVs is more than enough, and really easy to get. Catch and keep the good temtem you find, and when you need to breed it will go fast, low effort low money cost
4. Perfect SVs will matter mostly for in game tournaments (player made event and eventually actual game event too). I feel it's only fair that tournaments should favor the players who put the most efforts into their team

Wait you can buy temtem off other players? Is there a market? Thanks,

[Galroche]

Originally posted by Azzo:

Originally posted by Kratos263:

Couple of points here.
1. Ranked PvP scales up SV, so breeding only matters for egg moves if that's what you want to do
2. If you don't want to breed you can simply buy the temtem from other players. This is the same as a job system from other MMOs where they would craft gear for the best equipment. Here, they breed temtem
3. In PvE instances (Story, Dojo rematches) having all green SVs is more than enough, and really easy to get. Catch and keep the good temtem you find, and when you need to breed it will go fast, low effort low money cost
4. Perfect SVs will matter mostly for in game tournaments (player made event and eventually actual game event too). I feel it's only fair that tournaments should favor the players who put the most efforts into their team

Wait you can buy temtem off other players? Is there a market? Thanks,

the ingame auction house isn't implemented yet but people on discord or some website sell temtem (obviously avoid any site selling them for real money or dubious stuff)

[Kratos263]

Originally posted by Galroche:

Originally posted by Azzo:

Wait you can buy temtem off other players? Is there a market? Thanks,

the ingame auction house isn't implemented yet but people on discord or some website sell temtem (obviously avoid any site selling them for real money or dubious stuff)

Also in game trade chat of course

[MrLoverLover]

i agree. Breading is ruining this game

[Sdric]

Pokemon made a right move here, they made competitive creatures easier to get by introducing decently priced items to boost base stats outside of breeding, swap inherent abilities and natures.

In my eyes this is a very good move, it doesn't render breading completely unnecessary as those items do take some time to get, but it makes access to competitive play easier to get into.

While some arguments here comparing the power gain through impoved base stats to MMO threadmills aren't completely wrong in the core of things, this response neglects the inherent question whether that is a good thing to have. I personally disagree - skill should be the gating element, not time. Arguably the MMOs which had the best PvP systems became such through staying free of power threadmills alltogether, the prime example for great MMO PvP being Guild Wars 1 here.

The underlying question here is what the devs want from the game - do they want to fill a market niche as a competitive monster fighting MMO? Or do they want to be simply another Pokemon game, more focused on constant grinding (like a B2P Warframe or PoE)?