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That's definitely worth taking into consideration, but I'm not really sure how much I trust character descriptions for X DiVE considering X DiVE itself is pure non-canon fan service produced by Capcom Taiwan rather than the main branch. Continuity errors like that aren't unheard of for such spinoffs in other franchises.
It would be much better if someone credible from in Capcom mentioned something somewhere in an interview that could be sourced to make it more definitive. Still, it is at least a sign that maybe Capcom is intending on mending some of those inconsistencies, though personally I would prefer they do so via retcons than just making an alternate timeline every time someone points out a plot hole. Muddying up the waters with dozens of timelines isn't really very helpful in making the canon less confusing.
It's not just the plot inconsistencies, it's the overall theme.
It's like Mega Man Classic versus X.
Classic has a really lighthearted theme, while X gets pretty dark at times.
(I mean, let's face it, if Wily had committed an act of destruction like one of Sigma's attacks, Wily would've been executed without question.
(To blazes with any laws against the death penalty, they would've done it anyways). Instead, he's merely treated as a felon, implying his attacks aren't causing wanton destruction and death)
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It's just not possible to link the two together.
(Not getting into the plot oddity.
In X, Light first invented a robot that can think for itself. And yet in Classic, robots already think for themselves.
Like Mega Man resisting Wily and then volunteering to be converted to a fighting robot. ...Sounds to me like he's thinking for himself, and has free will. (Plus, things like Bass turning on Wily at times, or Protoman defying his creator)
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Back to theme, X is dark, but it's still hopeful, while Zero is just plain dark.
(Not surprising, as Weil and Copy X and their forces have a little bit of a Third Reich vibe going on there. As even humanity suffered under Weil, to the point most humans have lost hope as they suffer.
Even X didn't go that far. It's kind of implied that outside of Sigma's rare attacks, they actually have a pretty decent world going on.
(X5 and Command Mission both kinda give a brief glimpse of how nice X's world usually is when Sigma isn't around)
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As for official word, there's no one who is official these days.
Mega Man is managed by numerous people. So you kinda have to take what you get.
As for DiVE, as I understand it, it's all software and data archives anyways.
So it's canon enough.
It's been shown reploids can exist as software even after they've died. DiVE implies these are just software remnants of famous reploids.
It could well be centuries after X, and it'd still work as canon.
(Admittedly, Ciel kinda throws the whole thing off. And even then, it's implied she was made a cyborg in ZX, so one could argue she could still exist as software.)
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That said, plotline does just get in the way.
Like Sonic, he doesn't have to stick to a timeline, he just does what he wants (and more to the point, the writers can have fun).
Like the moon. In Sonic Adventure 2, Eggman blew up half the moon. Yet in later games, it's perfectly intact.
Why? Who cares, just roll with it.
With Mega Man, with a timeline...then man, that world is crappy.
15-20 attempts by a madman to rule the world, with robot armies.
Then a century later, 10 environment-ravaging Terminator-style extermination attempts that ruin the Earth.
Then a century later, one campaign that wipes out 75% of all sentient life on Earth, followed by 4 attacks by a regime that ravages what's left of the survivors, drastically reducing their numbers.
Then two centuries later, 2 incidents that ravage the world again, from two men bidding to try and become gods.
And after all that...the heroes win, and centuries later... it was all for nothing. The Earth becomes mostly flooded, and all of humanity is dead. The only sentient life left were a few flawed prototype clones of humans, as the system was destroyed before it could clone humanity.
That's... one really crappy world.
At this point, I'm not sure even a zombie apocalypse could possibly make Mega Man's world any worse.
...Maybe a timeline is a bad idea.
(Or at least go with different timeline for each series, so you can have your different themes and flavors without ruining the others.
If you want light-hearted you get Classic Mega Man. If you want dark and @#$% depressing, you get Zero. If you want a good swashbuckling adventure, you get Legends. And so on.)
I get the strong impression you don't understand how canon works. Theme can change wildly from game to game and still exist in the same exact canon. It isn't always super often that it happens, but it does happen. Sonic does it, for example. The original Sonic the Hedgehog on Genesis/Mega Drive does in fact exist in the same canon as Sonic Adventure, which takes place in the same canon as Shadow The Hedgehog, which takes place in the same canon as Sonic Colors, which takes place in the same canon as Sonic Forces.
Canon is what happens within a story vs what doesn't happen within the story. If a story or event is told which is non-canon, it means that it is self contained and does not impact the events of the overall canon. That is the only qualifying factor. You can change theme, you can change genre, you can even change characters. As long as it all happens within the same story, it is part of the same canon.
In regards to Mega Man in particular, each of the series takes place at different general time periods. Classic is 20XX, X is 21XX, Zero is 23XX, ZX is 25XX, and Legends is in the far off future. Each of these series do have certain things linking them together. The Dr. Light who built X is the same man who built Mega Man. The Dr. Wily who built Zero is the same man who Mega Man was fighting from game to game. The Zero of the Zero series is the same guy who often teamed up with X in the X series. Prairie from ZX is the same person as Alouette from the Zero series, and Ciel is the one who made Models X and Z, the Carbons in Legends are a further along advancement of the same technology that was making humans and reploids less distinct through the entire series so far up to that point, etc. The only ones truly detached from all that is Battle Network and Starforce, which are their own entirely distinct canon.
If X DiVE's character description did indeed turn out to be true and the Zero series takes place in an offshoot timeline, that does nothing to disconnect Classic - ZX and eventually Legends. It simply means that some of the games in the X series take place in a different canon to the events of the Zero series and after.
If my suspicions are correct, the original might have read something closer to "In another time" or "In the future" as opposed to "In another timeline".
Every series have a bunch of hints of an actual continuity, but they never make it official or clear. So the debate of different timelines will always live, but from what the games themselves portray the chances of them being connected is much higher than them being different timelines.
Tell that to all the bad issues of major comic books.
No to mention, in Avengers: Infinity Wars, does anyone ever point out that Thanos got his butt kicked by Squirrel Girl?
(It is canon)
But no, everyone's all about the whole "Ooh, he's big and bad and kills half the universe with a snap of his fingers" thing.
So, if Sonic CD is canon... then is Amy 8 years old or 12 years old?
She was stated to be 8 in CD (while Sonic was 15).
But in Adventure, Amy's 12 (...and Sonic's still 15)
Not to mention all those full moons in games after Adventure 2... where Eggman blows up half the moon, making full moons impossible.
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In Sonic Colors: "Ugh, Eggman capturing aliens and draining their energy? That's low, even for Eggman."
(Implying that this is the worst, lowest thing he's ever done)
Meanwhile...
- Sonic Adventure 1: Has a tantrum, and launches a huge (likely nuclear) missile to blow up an entire major metropolitan city that had done nothing to him. (And gasses an 8-year-old boy with chloroform)
- Sonic Adventure 2: Blows up massive military installation and island, killing a crapload of soldiers and prisoners. (Oh, and threatens to blow a 12-year-old girl's brains out, keeping at gun at her head the whole time)
- Sonic Unleashed: Fires a colossal superlaser and literally shatters the Earth into pieces (and he wasn't even 100% sure the planet would still sustain life, he just fired it on a hunch).
(He also did this again in one of the Advance games, with no Light/Dark Gaia that time)
- Sonic series in general: Captures sentient animals, and either stuffs them into robots to act as organic batteries, or turns them into mechanical slaves, still fully conscious and unable to control their bodies.
...Still sure about that low point with Eggman, Colors?
And Lan's grandfather is Dr. Light as well. Yet it's a separate timeline/continuity.
And Carbons are not robots. Considering how they act as though injuries and sick are a major thing.
I just can't picture this:
- Roll: "Gramps! Are you okay?!"
- Barrel: "Oh, I'm okay Roll. I only got my legs chopped off by falling debris.
- Roll: "Oh, thank goodness it wasn't anything serious."
...I mean, okay, I'll admit, that would be somewhat funny.
That is what we've been saying this whole time.
Likely, the Zero series broke off around X5 or X6.
In X7, the Earth was stated to be recovering well.
And in X8, they already found a CURE for Sigma's virus with those copy chips (they just need better security and QA when making them. And they explicitly resumed making them after X8).
With a cure, they don't need the Mother Elf, and thus the Zero series won't happen.
(Nor ZX, as it needs the whole "Humanity gives up, and the Earth is all but dead" thing to happen.)
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Not even getting into the whole thing about Classic's robots versus X's reploids.
X was supposedly the first robot to be able to make choices.
Yet Mega Man could choose and even volunteer. (Including refusing to go along with Wily's plans when ordered to. (No mentions made of Asimov's 3 Laws, until the 7th game. And never a mention of the Zeroth Law.))
Even Robot Masters were able to defy their programming and Wily, despite him having stricter rules. For machines that aren't supposed to be able to feel and make their choices, they sure do that a lot in Classic.
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Ugh, sorry about the long post, everyone.
Yes, Sonic's canon is a broken mess, but what's canon is still canon. If you are looking for in-game proof, Generations ties things together and Forces makes multiple heavy references to Generations. In Forces, Tails recognizes Chaos, confirming that Adventure is still canon. However, he is afraid of him, undoing his character development from Adventure. I've personally been advocating for a series reboot for a while now for exactly this reason, the broken lore needs to be fixed, and a clean start is the best way to do it.
Way to cherry pick my quotes. Here's what I said after:
Personally, I really don't think there's sufficient evidence to say for sure that Zero takes place in another timeline. Battle Network and Starforce are another timeline, yes, but Zero is a lot harder to place in one.
Obviously originally Zero was supposed to take place in relation to the events in X6, however that can no longer be the case. This does not however confirm a timeline split, simply that the writers need to find another way to tie everything together because miscommunication resulted in their original plans getting screwed over. The writing within the Zero series itself proceeds to abandon the X6 narrative entirely, with Omega Zero possessing Zero's original body. If Zero was locked away in that capsule in X6, then the timeline split followed by Zero waking up in the future, then he should still be in possession of his original body. Clearly, the writers were aware of this, and decided to cut all ties with X6 entirely moving forward with the series after the first game. The connection to the X series has to take place somewhere else now.
Canon's an iffy thing when you've changed writers, producers, and/or owners multiple times.
I mean, look at Star Wars, and that detailed mess.
People pick and choose what they call canon, and throw out what they don't want as canon (i.e. all of Last Jedi, and sometimes the other two movies).
Or Superman. Used to be that besides kryptonite, his weakness was a nuclear bomb could critically injure (or even kill) him.
But then, new writers, and now Superman can eat an exploding nuclear warhead and only calls it a spicy meatball.
(Or once, he struggled when grappling with a large gorilla or dinosaur, and couldn't even faze a small comet plummeting to Metropolis.
Then later, new writers, he can literally pull planets out of their orbits! And later, can vaporize several entire solar systems with a single sneeze!)
...So... what's the canon here?
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Doesn't help when you get new writers who say "the old stuff stinks, I'm going to take this into a completely new direction."
With creative disputes, nothing's canon anymore.
Kinda like the Archie Sonic comic.
...Hoo boy, trying to make sense of that canon is an exercise in insanity and futility. Some parts got called canon, others were called canon then were suddenly non-existent, others were too bizarre for the story, then suddenly were canon.
Mega Man has changed writers, producers, and directors so many times, there is no consistency.
I mean, Inafune wasn't even the original creator of Mega Man. He mainly took over during Mega Man 3. So right there Mega Man changed direction slightly just by virtue of having a new director.
And there were plenty of disputes with him even before X6, like with Super Adventure Rockman, which he hated, but the rest of the world liked. (Well...apart from its boss fight gameplay)
On a side note, if you think their translation makes it difficult, you outta see the documentation and instructions for SRPG Studio (here on Steam).
The program was made in Japan, and it's creator used Google Translate to translate the instructions from Japanese into English.
It, uh... didn't work as well as he'd hoped. You can slowly puzzle your way through using the program with them, but it's not easy (especially when trying to debug the game you're making and trying to figure out why something in your events isn't working).
Problem is, Mega Man gets hit with translation issues all the time.
Ranging from the simple (Dr. Light or Dr. Right? Crash Man or Clash Man? Metal Shark Player or Prayer? Lead Bubble (metal) or Lead Bubble (directing))...
...to the odd (what the heck is a Mijinion (X6) supposed to be? Or a Kuwanger (X1)?)...
...to the absurd (Mega Man lives in "Monsteropolis"? And must penetrate seven separate empires of Dr. Wily, eliminating the leaders and followers of these sovereignties? And eventually fights Rock Monster (Yellow Devil)?)
A big issue is in Legends, where it's stated that Carbons are "artificially created". Problem is, Japanese games tend to be a bit vague on what that term entails. Does it mean android, or genetically engineered humans?
(A number of game series tend to hit this ambiguity, as in some cases, such races are genetically engineered slave classes; while in other cases, they're androids. It's never quite sure)
In Legends, the System has that whole "recreating humanity" thing. And it's stated the Betas (Carbons) were a test run of that, even some batches having being tweaked.
(Makes sense, when trying to recreate an extinct species, you'd likely want to do a few dry runs to make sure there are no problems that'll pop up in the main event)
If the Carbons were robots, then, then that means the clones they were going to make were also going to be robots.
So much for humanity. Thanks Dr. Light, you killed your species off.
(In such a case, wouldn't that mean going back in time and killing Dr. Light before he made Protoman would be the greatest deed in history ever?)
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There's no timeline split, yet say that the writers have to make X6 onward fit in somewhere? Like they say, can't have the old cake and eat it, too. :)
Capcom has always owned Mega Man and decides what the games will be, not Inafune. (well, before he was fired. Obvious, he now has zero say in the matter)
If his plan didn't match theirs, oh well...
Capcom made X6, X7, and X8 (and I hope one day, X9).
And if Capcom says there's a timeline split, then it is so.
.......It's just too bad Capcom's not very good at explaining a story. The series' story (and plot holes) makes no sense put together, to the point a timeline split is the only way to make it make any hint of sense.
(Or we the audience just go the Superman route and say "forget canon", and just pick what we want as canon)
(On a side note: I can't help but think some of the darker stuff in the Zero series was Inafune thumbing his nose at Capcom. Like saying "Ha ha, guess what losers? Alia, Dynamo, and everyone in the X series killed each other horribly in a viral frenzy! Dr. Light killed off his species. Rocks fall, everyone dies!! Take that, Capcom!"
...Just a funny thought I had.)