Mega Man 11

Mega Man 11

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X Oct 3, 2018 @ 9:22pm
Dr. Light is a Hypocrite
So in the intro he vehemently rejected Dr. Wily's double gear invention, and now in the present day he installed that very same tech on Mega Man.

Like what the hell!? He could've just come up with his own tech but instead he plagiarized Wily's creation. It makes me see the doctor in a different light. He might as well be just a glory hound bent on one-upping his colleague.

If they just let Dr. Wily had his way the conflict may have been avoided.
Originally posted by Red:
His problem with the double gear system was that Wily wanted to install it on every robot while Light understood that you cannot give such power to a robot until you're sure that they're capable of handling its power correctly. Now that I think about it, a secure way to handle that would've been to simply keep robots as mindless tools (As Wily pretty much wanted since they're just tools to him) but that would come at the cost of never evolving the robot technology to the point where they can think by themselves like Mega Man does (And eventually X too).

That's also why he allows Mega Man to use it, since Light knows that Mega Man will not use its power for evil. Apparently the double gear system was so great Light had no choice but to fight fire with fire. Wasting time coming up with a solution of his own with no regards of what Wily might be doing in the meantime would've been a bad decision, purely driven by pride and ego. Especially when no one else really cared about him resorting to the double gear system.

The conflict could've been avoided if he just merged his research with Wily's but we'll never know for sure if Wily would've accepted a limitation to his plansm like a robot unlocking the double gear power only after reaching a certain threshold of mental capability and sense of responsibility (Which is already a rather subjective line). That also makes me wonder just how many robots would even reach that threshold anyway considering how unique Mega and Roll are.
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Red Oct 3, 2018 @ 9:39pm 
His problem with the double gear system was that Wily wanted to install it on every robot while Light understood that you cannot give such power to a robot until you're sure that they're capable of handling its power correctly. Now that I think about it, a secure way to handle that would've been to simply keep robots as mindless tools (As Wily pretty much wanted since they're just tools to him) but that would come at the cost of never evolving the robot technology to the point where they can think by themselves like Mega Man does (And eventually X too).

That's also why he allows Mega Man to use it, since Light knows that Mega Man will not use its power for evil. Apparently the double gear system was so great Light had no choice but to fight fire with fire. Wasting time coming up with a solution of his own with no regards of what Wily might be doing in the meantime would've been a bad decision, purely driven by pride and ego. Especially when no one else really cared about him resorting to the double gear system.

The conflict could've been avoided if he just merged his research with Wily's but we'll never know for sure if Wily would've accepted a limitation to his plansm like a robot unlocking the double gear power only after reaching a certain threshold of mental capability and sense of responsibility (Which is already a rather subjective line). That also makes me wonder just how many robots would even reach that threshold anyway considering how unique Mega and Roll are.
hellatze Oct 4, 2018 @ 12:04am 
Leads to maverick war.

Damm dr light are stupid to make robot having free will
TheVampire100 Oct 4, 2018 @ 12:20am 
Originally posted by hellatze:
Leads to maverick war.

Damm dr light are stupid to make robot having free will
Maverick War started because of a virus that Wily created.
It's again the situation "Light does something great, Wily wants to sabotage it".
X Oct 4, 2018 @ 2:39am 
Originally posted by Red:
That's also why he allows Mega Man to use it, since Light knows that Mega Man will not use its power for evil. Apparently the double gear system was so great Light had no choice but to fight fire with fire. Wasting time coming up with a solution of his own with no regards of what Wily might be doing in the meantime would've been a bad decision, purely driven by pride and ego. Especially when no one else really cared about him resorting to the double gear system.

Dr. Light was able to create the Mega Arm and Tango in the midst of the Stardroid invasion, not to mention that he's able to make armors for X from the afterlife, so when it comes to being resourceful Dr. Light has no limits. What made things worse is that he just installed the double gear in its prototype state, without any kind of modification. When I saw Fuse Man and Tundra Man's speed gear they completely eclipse Mega Man's.

The mechanic is a good idea, but the way it's shoehorned to the story is kind of weak.
Arcyne Oct 4, 2018 @ 3:50am 
Think you're putting too much thought into a megaman intro dude.
hellatze Oct 4, 2018 @ 6:38am 
Originally posted by TheVampire100:
Originally posted by hellatze:
Leads to maverick war.

Damm dr light are stupid to make robot having free will
Maverick War started because of a virus that Wily created.
It's again the situation "Light does something great, Wily wants to sabotage it".
Willy virus are finishing dr light project.

I never seen robot having actual free will until willy make the virus.
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RiO Oct 4, 2018 @ 3:17pm 
Originally posted by hellatze:
I never seen robot having actual free will until willy make the virus.

X. Except Light wasn't too sure whether an artificial psyche with a total free will would hold up well, so he had X go through a century's worth of situational sketches and cases to test his moral fibre.

Zero is based in part on stolen designs for X as well as, iirc, recommisioned update plans for Forte/Bass, who was actually none too happy with Wily building Zero.

The virus Wily put into Zero was the ultimate eff-you to Light's theory of free will creating infinite potential. It was aimed at making Zero go berserker when cornered, increasing his ferocity and combat ability by overriding his capacity for free will; supplanting it with base impulses more suitable to combat.

If anything, it's the exact anti-thesis of free will...


Note that Repliroids / Reploids becoming 'Irregular' / 'Maverick' was retconned as a general occurence not directly related to Wily's virus. Cain built Sigma with more advanced circuitry in the hope that Sigma would develop and retain the same moral fibre that X had.

And in the beginning Sigma did; an upstanding good-cop paragon to which even X looked up. Until Sigma fought a cornered Zero with the virus active inside him, that is. When the virus jumped hosts Sigma's safeguarded circuitry didn't quite succumb to it fully, and was left with the capacity for reasoning. He turned into an ego-maniacal self-centered anti-moral sociapath capable of advancing scheming, rather than a wild animal.

The virus mutated in him and he acquired a modicum of control over it. Then he started to use it to influence others and 'push them over the edge' towards Irregular behavior; eventually gathering a crew of like-minded supporters that way.

And that's where the first game in the X series starts.
Last edited by RiO; Oct 4, 2018 @ 3:19pm
Kewl_Kev Oct 4, 2018 @ 5:35pm 
ANGERY
mjc0961 Oct 4, 2018 @ 5:42pm 
That's what bothers you? I'm trying to figure out why they all thought letting robots having a little bit more power or speed for a few moments was too dangerous, but robots having free will was perfectly fine and weren't concerned about that being dangerous at all. I guess they can't just rewrite canon after all this time, but still, it makes that committee look like idiots.
Tsuki Zero Oct 4, 2018 @ 7:45pm 
The Zero Virus MK I is apparently a modified strain of the Evil Energy (same "aura" and destructive potential), the Maverick "Virus" is a malfunction of their logical circuitry in which reploids develops negative thoughts and destructive desire.

Sigma Virus MK I is the result of the Zero Virus being "consumed" by Sigma's logical circuitry while granting him control over the infected.

Zero Virus MK II was the virus attempting to regain its identity, Sigma Virus MK II was a flawed attempt at the revival of the "original" virus.

Afterwards, the virus became the Mother Elf, before Weil "cursed" her. Even then, the Mother Elf had good in her.

Or so I think.

As for Light's reason to refute Wily's research, apparently the university didn't have money to invest in both Double Gear and Free Will Of Robots, and he knew Wily's invention without his own would bring only chaos. That's why at the end he points that out to Dr Wily, that Mega Man is the combination of both their creations: His intelligence allows him to make best judgement of how to use the Double Gear System. And he even asked Wily to put all the past behind and work by his side again.

Another thing about Mega Man X: X underwent a long period of morality tests during his slumber, to ensure he wouldn't go Maverick. Zero was probably going something similar but was interrupted.
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