Better gameplay

[AmitD]

Which game has the best gameplay out if this 3? Tales of Berseria, Zestiria and Vesperia Definitive edition. because im planning on buying this game and i don't know if i really should.

[ShinkuTear]

In my opinion: Berseria has the best gameplay of those three, the next best is probly Zestiria. Even when Vesp came out, it was stiff if you didn't play on Manual, and took until end game before anyone other than Yuri or *maybe* Rita actually played decently and had a complete kit.

Vesperia has a surprisingly rough first 20% of the game, everything until Dahngrest is bogged down by some combination of: poor bosses, lack of options, entirely too gloomy atmosphere due to constant rain. Once you get to Dahngrest, the game actually gets good, by resolving all of those issues.

Berseria, by comparison, actually has each party member feel like a proper fighter from the start who have options to choose from, and improves upon that. Berseria doesn't have equivalents to trash like Zagi or Gattuso, it's boss fights are generally good, or at least easy to beat.

Every character in Zestiria, much like in Berseria, is a proper fighter with proper options, and improves from that. The games Armatize mechanic and the games balancing in regards to it is... questionable. Multiplayer is held back by the Armatize mechanic, and by the camera. Zestiria gameplay tends to be solid, but forgetable.

[AmitD]

Originally posted by ShinkuTear:

In my opinion: Berseria has the best gameplay of those three, the next best is probly Zestiria. Even when Vesp came out, it was stiff if you didn't play on Manual, and took until end game before anyone other than Yuri or *maybe* Rita actually played decently and had a complete kit.

Vesperia has a surprisingly rough first 20% of the game, everything until Dahngrest is bogged down by some combination of: poor bosses, lack of options, entirely too gloomy atmosphere due to constant rain. Once you get to Dahngrest, the game actually gets good, by resolving all of those issues.

Berseria, by comparison, actually has each party member feel like a proper fighter from the start who have options to choose from, and improves upon that. Berseria doesn't have equivalents to trash like Zagi or Gattuso, it's boss fights are generally good, or at least easy to beat.

Every character in Zestiria, much like in Berseria, is a proper fighter with proper options, and improves from that. The games Armatize mechanic and the games balancing in regards to it is... questionable. Multiplayer is held back by the Armatize mechanic, and by the camera. Zestiria gameplay tends to be solid, but forgetable.

when i heard people talk about Vesperia they also say thay Vesperia has one of the best combat system. Thanks.

[ShinkuTear]

That was probly back when Vesperia was the newest game, back on the 360, so it only had Symphonia and Abyss for comparison. But even then, it's arguable if Vesperia was better than those.

Vesp is good, but it is also overhyped, and the early game has problems.

[AmitD]

Originally posted by ShinkuTear:

That was probly back when Vesperia was the newest game, back on the 360, so it only had Symphonia and Abyss for comparison. But even then, it's arguable if Vesperia was better than those.

Vesp is good, but it is also overhyped, and the early game has problems.

idk if i should buy vesperia or zestiria after berseria. What do u suggest?

[Kerobe]

if you plan to play all 3 games, just take Zestiria after Berseria (similar gameplay, similar universe + some connections)

[Matex]

vesperia has the best gameplay out of all 3d tales bar xillia 2 maybe, but it's technical and you need to learn the hidden mechanics like boss recoveries and the cancels so it really shines.

Arte tree ♥♥♥♥ is just mashing buttons to the point where you need cheat engine in berseria to set it to chaos in the first playthrough so it's not a complete pushover.

[shadow_of_apollo]

Yeah I'd say Berseria was the most fun for me. The combat has deeper systems. It takes advantage of the third dimension better. The characters were more fun to play as to the point where I spent most of the game playing as the side characters, only controlling the main during the more challenging fights. Vesperia and Symphonia are also much older games. Berseria looks a lot better. All three are worth playing if you have the time. I think Berseria did a good job advancing the series and would recommend starting there.

[Titanium70]

Vesperia and Zestiria/Berseria have very different gameplay.

The later 2 are faster, action oriented, flashy. It's fun to play from minute one and you can pilot through different combos for different opponents. BUT: You're also forced to use the exakt same combos on the same type of enemy all the time. So while fun it tend to turn into quite the button mashing after a while especially in the middle to end of the game. At some point however you get your last power-up which refreshes the gameplay in great way rendering the endgame very entertaining.

Vesperia is ALOT more mechanical and evolving.
You start weak, playing on hard requires you to really learn cancels and item-IFrames early on to not straight up die to the tutorial bosses. =P
As you progress in the game you unlock more and more features giving you more and more freedom until eventually you can obliterate your opponents in what ever way you want. And it does not stop! You get something new all the time and become even more powerfull to the point where it's a stunning power fantasy.

Both of these systems are fun so pick what ever you prefer.
My favorite is Vesperia coming from turn based/RTS games I really enjoy the early parts of the game as well as the later ones. ^^

[Sir_Gorz]

Haven't played Berseria because I missed it when it was on sale, but I have beaten Zestiria, and I am currently playing Vesperia. Back on console I played the death out of Abyss and it is still my favorite Tales game overall despite having its weak moments, and in my opinion Vesperia is sort of an Abyss Remix with some improvements on what made me enjoy Abyss so much (not only gameplay wise) while also taking out some of the things I did not really like. Due to all these things, I find Vesperia much more likable than Zestiria, but that is just my opinion.

I also found none of the characters in Zestiria likable to the point that I only played through it once while in Vesperia even the dog has his moments, and I'm already planning on playing through it several times.

[Bazzy]

Originally posted by AmitD:

Originally posted by ShinkuTear:

In my opinion: Berseria has the best gameplay of those three, the next best is probly Zestiria. Even when Vesp came out, it was stiff if you didn't play on Manual, and took until end game before anyone other than Yuri or *maybe* Rita actually played decently and had a complete kit.

Vesperia has a surprisingly rough first 20% of the game, everything until Dahngrest is bogged down by some combination of: poor bosses, lack of options, entirely too gloomy atmosphere due to constant rain. Once you get to Dahngrest, the game actually gets good, by resolving all of those issues.

Berseria, by comparison, actually has each party member feel like a proper fighter from the start who have options to choose from, and improves upon that. Berseria doesn't have equivalents to trash like Zagi or Gattuso, it's boss fights are generally good, or at least easy to beat.

Every character in Zestiria, much like in Berseria, is a proper fighter with proper options, and improves from that. The games Armatize mechanic and the games balancing in regards to it is... questionable. Multiplayer is held back by the Armatize mechanic, and by the camera. Zestiria gameplay tends to be solid, but forgetable.

when i heard people talk about Vesperia they also say thay Vesperia has one of the best combat system. Thanks.

I honestly have to wonder what goes on in the mind of somone talking like that? I do not want to ♥♥♥♥ talk every fan of this game, i can get the apeal. But to have auto run on default in combartt (and at least i didn't find a way to turn it off in combat yet), combined with no dodge / evade move plus no parry system. Its just baffling if you see them recommending free running which also does not allow you to combo for sqat too. I tried my best with the zagi bossfight (for 4 hours more or less mind you :O) and even tought i missed something very crucial, after googling and finding this thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/aelvwg/tales_of_vesperia_definitive_edition_tips_tricks/

Which calls this the best jrpg on switch, when you know it has Ys 8 too - which frankly might as well a diffrent genre compared to this in its gameplay with how much better it plays. I really just can not understand these and lets call them what they are fanboys, like op uttering such misleading stuff, just becasue he might love a game, which clearly has not aged well in its gameplay.

[Dinghy_Dog]

Originally posted by Bazzy:

I honestly have to wonder what goes on in the mind of somone talking like that? I do not want to ♥♥♥♥ talk every fan of this game, i can get the apeal. But to have auto run on default in combartt (and at least i didn't find a way to turn it off in combat yet), combined with no dodge / evade move plus no parry system. Its just baffling if you see them recommending free running which also does not allow you to combo for sqat too. I tried my best with the zagi bossfight (for 4 hours more or less mind you :O) and even tought i missed something very crucial, after googling and finding this thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/aelvwg/tales_of_vesperia_definitive_edition_tips_tricks/

Which calls this the best jrpg on switch, when you know it has Ys 8 too - which frankly might as well a diffrent genre compared to this in its gameplay with how much better it plays. I really just can not understand these and lets call them what they are fanboys, like op uttering such misleading stuff, just becasue he might love a game, which clearly has not aged well in its gameplay.

You probably quit on the game already but Vesperia does have a dodge which is the ability backstep and a parry called critical guard + guard impact, but like with everything in this game it takes awhile to get going.

As for Ys8 its a very different game more inline with modern tastes after the rise of soulslikes and platinum's arcadey approach to gameplay.

Tales is from older times where game designers weren't as concerned with controlling the player experience to the point where they force the [just frame dodge/guard] -> [basic offense] -> [repeat] gameflow, it has more in common with Devil May Cry where things are a bit looser and they just added a bunch of mechanics to play around with.

Different tastes I suppose, but I'll take stiffer gameplay over the one dimensional offense of say platinum's later works MGR/Nier Automata.

[Bazzy]

Nope i didn't quit the game yet, but i had to refer to combat guides and also a boss strategy for gattuso. I also did get the backstep now, but i'm just not really impressed with the combat. What keeps me playing is the characters and the world.

I mean no offense but calling platinum games, even mgr one dimesional makes me just shake my head. I vastly pefer short and to the point animations and all this wind-up and wind-down stuff in vesperia is just feeling clunky. We'll see how long i will be playing this game, but yeah this made me question the opinion of the community and the ones in the linked thread a whole lot, ngl.

[Dinghy_Dog]

Originally posted by Bazzy:

Nope i didn't quit the game yet, but i had to refer to combat guides and also a boss strategy for gattuso. I also did get the backstep now, but i'm just not really impressed with the combat. What keeps me playing is the characters and the world.

I mean no offense but calling platinum games, even mgr one dimesional makes me just shake my head. I vastly pefer short and to the point animations and all this wind-up and wind-down stuff in vesperia is just feeling clunky. We'll see how long i will be playing this game, but yeah this made me question the opinion of the community and the ones in the linked thread a whole lot, ngl.

To make something clear, I'm from the (character) action game camp, I've only playing/played Vesperia and the Xillia set. And yes in my opinion MGR and Nier are very one dimensional versus even Bayonetta and Transformers Devastation.

The majority of MGR and Nier's combat is focused around the 'timed defense' to 'offense' repeat cycle. Its just perfect defense -> DPS -> perfect defense -> DPS etc. and the gimmicks they add through enemy design/balancing have a habit of enforcing this. The offensive options that deviate from this either break the game (OP) or are too situational to provide anything of value outside of mixing things up while you slog through battle that clearly wasn't designed with said mechanics in mind.

All this being said I did enjoy MGR's combat, but the game as a whole is rather shallow outside of its boss gimmicks, with a whole bunch of mechanics added because they were expected not because they worked with the game design.

In my limited experience the Tales games may be flawed, with bosses frequently requiring stagger resistance or combo escapes (that lead to you getting combo'd :/), but I find there is a lot of appeal in their brawler/2D fighter hybrid. It plays differently to other games in that I'm considering different strategies and tactics that I wouldn't use in other games which is something I'm finding harder to say in dedicated combat games since everyone started overplaying the [perfect defense] angle.

[aShinyMeta]

in my honest opinion, play them all! You wont regret about that. Both games are good, no need to campare each others.

Fyi, Berseroa storyline is hundred years behind Zestiria even though Zestiria comes to market first.

[marleau.martin]

The best tales of all in my opinion if tales of grace F.... but this one is close second

In gameplay as in story :)