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Outsider 2018 年 11 月 27 日 上午 7:15
Wing Gundam - the most underrated main gundam ever?
Now that I finally finished Gundam W, I found myself wondering why the heck titular gundam sees so little attention in gundam media in general, and crossovers in particular.
It always gives way to either Zero or ridiculous movie Zero.
I know that mid-season upgrades are considered definitive "editions" of gundams, but usually first versions also get some spot light, such as Gundam MK2, Strike, Impulse, Exia or Barbatos.
Wing has such cool and relatively unique design, it's a shame it's barely featured anywhere. Even in its own anime it appears rarely and does so very little.
Thank god this game has it.
Why it's so underrated? Even as a first, non-definitive suit?

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Ralen 2018 年 11 月 27 日 下午 1:45 
It’s a running joke of the mobile suit. Out of the original five gundams, it’s objectively the most powerful. Yet, it’s rarely ever used as Heero initially lost it, he then destroyed it, and then he finally abandoned it.

To this day it’s still one of my favorite designs for a gundam. It may be Okawara’s greatest design for a gundam. One could argue Wing Gundam represented Heero’s total disregard for the mobile suit and his life.

It’s features in only a handful of games, from the original Gundam Wing SNES fighting game, Gundam Battle Assault 1, Another Century’s Episode 1, and of course the Gundam Breaker series.

Honestly, it’s more of a crime Bandai Namco never made a true Gundam Wing game that follows the story.
Spamroach 2018 年 11 月 27 日 下午 2:45 
I personally like to think Gundam X was truly underated. Most American Gundam fans I know say they started with Wing and most of them say Wing is their favorite. Kind of sad After War was cancelled to begin with.
Sparse Dunes 2018 年 11 月 27 日 下午 3:39 
Probably because it's just kind of there. It doesn't have the power house twin buster rifle and Heero doesn't become likable until the upgrade.

The only fun thing about wing is that it has a loose connection to gundam Sentinal.(Sandrock gundam's AI is called ALICE 2).
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BoosterBlue 2018 年 11 月 28 日 下午 4:12 
Gundam W is not nearly as popular in Japan as it is in America.

Also.. the Wing Gundam's essential design would be significantly improved, efficiencywise, by replacing the 3-shot buster rifle with a regular beamrifle.
Aya 2018 年 11 月 28 日 下午 5:26 
Gundam Wing was what brought Gundam to the west, if i recall correctly.
Outsider 2018 年 11 月 28 日 下午 5:31 
引用自 Aya Shameimaru
Gundam Wing was what brought Gundam to the west, if i recall correctly.
Show yes, suit hardly.
If you say "Gundam Wing" most people will instantly think about Zero, not actual Wing Gundam.
I mean Zero is not a bad design, but it's kinda bland and boring compared to Wing, which makes sense in-universe, since it was made earlier, but from narrative stand point it's an upgrade.
And it maybe just me, but I usually like these upgrades less than the first models - Exia, Barbatos, Gundam MK2, Wing you name it.
It even goes beyond gundam, most Super Robot Wars upgrades I also could do without.
Adachi Ame 2018 年 11 月 28 日 下午 5:56 
引用自 Trombe
引用自 Aya Shameimaru
Gundam Wing was what brought Gundam to the west, if i recall correctly.
Show yes, suit hardly.
If you say "Gundam Wing" most people will instantly think about Zero, not actual Wing Gundam.
I mean Zero is not a bad design, but it's kinda bland and boring compared to Wing, which makes sense in-universe, since it was made earlier, but from narrative stand point it's an upgrade.
And it maybe just me, but I usually like these upgrades less than the first models - Exia, Barbatos, Gundam MK2, Wing you name it.
It even goes beyond gundam, most Super Robot Wars upgrades I also could do without.
Ahem! By the way the Exia is not the First Model, It's actually third gen, with 0 gundam being the first gen to all. https://youtu.be/t03-T6EuR1o And well technically the first of the Exia's line would be the Astraea Gundam http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/GNY-001_Gundam_Astraea
Ralen 2018 年 11 月 28 日 下午 11:20 
引用自 Trombe
Show yes, suit hardly.
If you say "Gundam Wing" most people will instantly think about Zero, not actual Wing Gundam.
I mean Zero is not a bad design, but it's kinda bland and boring compared to Wing, which makes sense in-universe, since it was made earlier, but from narrative stand point it's an upgrade.
And it maybe just me, but I usually like these upgrades less than the first models - Exia, Barbatos, Gundam MK2, Wing you name it.
It even goes beyond gundam, most Super Robot Wars upgrades I also could do without.
Actually, no. Wing Gundam not looking more similar to Wing Zero makes zero sense, which is why Wing Gundam was changed to look more like Wing Zero in the Glory of the Losers manga.

Dr. J was the principal designer of Wing Zero and Wing Gundam. It only makes sense that they look very similar. I love Okawara’s Wing Gundam design, but it feels out of place from his Wing Zero design.
Katoki reconciled the differences with his EW designs for Wing Gundam and Wing Zero.

If you mean the MK II looks better than Zeta, which is not an upgrade but rather an entirely different mobile suit built by an entirely different entity (MK II was built by Titans whereas Zeta was built by AEUG), you are one of the few to have that opinion. The MK II is literally a more detailed RX-78 with a slightly different color scheme. Whereas Zeta was a revolutionary design (in-universe and in real life) that influenced all mobile suit design afterwards.

Where do you think Wing Gundam’s bird mode came from after all?
Outsider 2018 年 11 月 29 日 上午 5:40 
引用自 Kamille Bidan
Actually, no. Wing Gundam not looking more similar to Wing Zero makes zero sense, which is why Wing Gundam was changed to look more like Wing Zero in the Glory of the Losers manga.
引用自 Kamille Bidan
Dr. J was the principal designer of Wing Zero and Wing Gundam. It only makes sense that they look very similar. I love Okawara’s Wing Gundam design, but it feels out of place from his Wing Zero design.
Katoki reconciled the differences with his EW designs for Wing Gundam and Wing Zero.
I would rather him make Zero look like upgraded Wing, rather than Wing look like Zero, and Zero look like some organic angel thing, which belongs to Rahxephon, rather than Gundam franchise.
But that's just my opinion again.

引用自 Kamille Bidan
If you mean the MK II looks better than Zeta, which is not an upgrade but rather an entirely different mobile suit built by an entirely different entity (MK II was built by Titans whereas Zeta was built by AEUG), you are one of the few to have that opinion. The MK II is literally a more detailed RX-78 with a slightly different color scheme. Whereas Zeta was a revolutionary design (in-universe and in real life) that influenced all mobile suit design afterwards.
Where do you think Wing Gundam’s bird mode came from after all?
From what I remember Kamille designed Zeta with MK2 and Waverider units in mind and gave his plans to ships mechanic, what's his name, and that dude in turn passed those blueprints to the AEUG, so while not direct or "official" upgrade, it's more or less based on MK2. In-universe that is, visually it indeed looks like a new thing entirely, and less Gundam~ey than most later Gundams in fact.

As for MK2 being updated RX-78, that's absolutely true and that's why it's one of my favourite gundam designs. The original is a bit too bland for my taste, MK2 makes more elaborate, without going overboard with extra details, while having two canon color jobs, both awesome.
Only weird thing I noticed, is that Titans' MK2 uses yellow sabers in Reborn, while in every other instance it uses pink ones. I like yellow sabers more, but that's still weird.
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Outsider 2018 年 11 月 29 日 上午 5:43 
Oh and yes "mid-season upgrade" is a generalized term for when characters get better mechs along the story, not necessary a proper in-universe upgrades.
Zero is not really an upgrade to Wing, just its more powerful prototype, just like Nu-Gundam is not really a direct upgrade to Re-GZ, but it still follows the same narrative logic.
Zeorymer - Battling Cancer 2018 年 11 月 29 日 上午 9:43 
IF I remember my Wing lore right (based on the original 50 ep series)....

The 5 Scientists in the colonies banded together to begin building a Mobile Suit that could beat The Alliance and OZ. Based upon the original MS prototype (The Tallgeese), the 5 scientists first constructed, at least on file, the Wing Zero, which is yes, the prototype Gundam, with the Zero system.

HOWEVER, the scientists deemed it too dangerous and even overkill for what they needed. Thous, the 5 scientists split their research, and ended up creating 5 Gundams instead of the one. Of course, of the Gundams, was based off the Wing Zero, in this case, the Wing Gundam.

In many respects the Wing is just a toned down version of Zero; a 3 shot Buster rifle instead of the Twin Linked that doesnt have an ammo limit, 4 vulcans instead of the heavy shoulder mounted verions, etc.

That being said, I dont know which version of Zero I like more....The Wing Gundam to me is 'iconic' in that it's Heero's first Gundam....but as mentioned, had VERY little screen time. Wing Zero's color scheme was kind of all over the place. EW version felt better color pallete wise to me, but of course not everyone likes the angel wings. Then there is the alternate version which has had advertisments in the other thread.
Ralen 2018 年 11 月 29 日 上午 11:56 
引用自 Trombe
I would rather him make Zero look like upgraded Wing, rather than Wing look like Zero, and Zero look like some organic angel thing, which belongs to Rahxephon, rather than Gundam franchise.
But that's just my opinion again.

From what I remember Kamille designed Zeta with MK2 and Waverider units in mind and gave his plans to ships mechanic, what's his name, and that dude in turn passed those blueprints to the AEUG, so while not direct or "official" upgrade, it's more or less based on MK2. In-universe that is, visually it indeed looks like a new thing entirely, and less Gundam~ey than most later Gundams in fact.

As for MK2 being updated RX-78, that's absolutely true and that's why it's one of my favourite gundam designs. The original is a bit too bland for my taste, MK2 makes more elaborate, without going overboard with extra details, while having two canon color jobs, both awesome.
Only weird thing I noticed, is that Titans' MK2 uses yellow sabers in Reborn, while in every other instance it uses pink ones. I like yellow sabers more, but that's still weird.
I actually like Katoki’s Wing Zero EW, so I respectfully disagree. The angel wings give it a majestic quality. It really adequately represents the power of Wing Zero. The Okawara TV version just seems bland and incomplete in comparison.

Actually, Kamille wanted to reconcile the flaws of the MK II and Rick Dias into one mobile suit with waverider capabilities. The only actual component Zeta took from the MK II was the movable frame, which was a technology that AEUG had not perfected and allowed Zeta’s transformations to be possible without putting unduly stress on its metal frame.

Most of the gundam designs take after the original (traditional V-fin, mouth vents, red, blocky chin, etc.). Zeta tossed out all those traditions and created the first truly new and different gundam.

I like the MK II. Its only purpose was to really be an updated design for the original. I just preferred how Zeta took that original design and completely revolutionized it. I’d argue there hasn’t been a mobile suit as blatantly original as Zeta since.

I figured you were probably referring to the mid-series upgrades, but I didn’t want to assume. Re-GZ is just an improved, mass produced version of Zeta ironically.
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