Who do you believe is the most powerful Newtype in the Universal Century Timeline?

[Ralen]

Although Amuro Ray is the most recognizable and famous Newtype in the UC timeline, even he has acknowledged he is not the most powerful. He outright admits Kamille’s potential far exceeds his own.

There have been historically two schools of thought on this - those who say Kamille Bidan is the most powerful Newtype and those that say Judau Ashta is the most powerful Newtype.

I will argue why I believe Kamille is without a doubt the most powerful with Amuro coming in second and Judau coming in third.

Canonically-speaking, it has been suggested Judau has the greatest raw potential. However, there are multiple instances in ZZ that seem to contradict this theory:

Firstly, Haman Karn states that she believes Judau’s Newtype abilities may rival those of Char Aznable. This is an odd statement for the simple fact that Char is considered one of the weakest Newtypes in the UC timeline. How he had been able to distinguish himself is his brilliance in tactics and combat experience.

Secondly, even with the power of the enhanced ZZ Gundam, Judau still needed Kamille’s mind and power to defeat Haman Karn in combat, which was really more of a draw. Now, Judau did show some impressive feats of power, such as assembling the ZZ by himself and even creating barriers that could withstand some attacks.

Kamille, in comparison, has arguably exhibited the most powerful and destructive abilities in the UC timeline, from channeling sheer emotional pressure into devastating attacks, as well as disabling mobile suits by augmenting his own power with the souls of his fallen friends.

It should also be factored in that Kamille had a much weaker mobile suit than Judau, and defeated Haman Karn by himself and chose not to kill her.

Pre-New Translation, Kamille also became far more powerful in ZZ, even being able to communicate telepathically while in a comatose state. Post-New Translation, he was able to completely resist and repel Scirocco’s mind attack, implying Kamille is even more powerful in the new canon.

As far as why Amuro is more powerful than Judau, it’s because his Newtype potential far outshined Char’s, which Haman Karh claimed was on equal footing to Judau.

So what are your thoughts? Who do you think is the most powerful? How do you rank the various Newtypes in the UC?

[Zeorymer - Battling Cancer]

Are we limiting this to the main UC timeline up to Char's Counterattack? Or are we going beyond that, such as the Unicorn timeline, F91, and even Victory?

[Ralen]

Originally posted by Zeorymer:

Are we limiting this to the main UC timeline up to Char's Counterattack? Or are we going beyond that, such as the Unicorn timeline, F91, and even Victory?

The entire UC timeline, which goes as far as Victory. Based on the canon, Kamille and Judau are always the two that are argued as being the most powerful Newtypes in the entire timeline.

[Zeorymer - Battling Cancer]

Banahger did some pretty amazing feats with his abilities, but it could've also been coupled with the Unicorn, since the ENTIRE frame is one giant psycho frame, which enhances abilities. Though to be fair, he did sense Audrey when she was lost in the middle of the colony.

[Ralen]

Originally posted by Zeorymer:

Banahger did some pretty amazing feats with his abilities, but it could've also been coupled with the Unicorn, since the ENTIRE frame is one giant psycho frame, which enhances abilities. Though to be fair, he did sense Audrey when she was lost in the middle of the colony.

I'd attribute that more so to the extraordinary power of the Unicorn Gundam, given it's a far more powerful mobile suit than Kamille or Amuro ever used. As far as sensing other Newtypes, that's certainly nothing unique to Banagher. Amuro, Judau, and Kamille have constantly sensed friends and loved ones in danger (Newtypes and Oldtypes alike).

That's not to say that Banagher isn't a powerful Newtype. I just don't believe there's enough evidence in his favor to suggest he is more powerful than Kamille, Judau, or even Amuro. Those three proved they were even deadly in grunt mobile suits.

[Zeta1207]

Kamille is definitely by far the most powerful newtype to date defined by shown "magical" mobile suit combat abilities, although Judau did scare Haman with his sheer willpower so much that she fled the scene even when she was the one with the gun during an outside mobile suit encounter.

[Ralen]

Originally posted by Atra:

Kamille is definitely by far the most powerful newtype to date defined by shown "magical" mobile suit combat abilities, although Judau did scare Haman with his sheer willpower so much that she fled the scene even when she was the one with the gun during an outside mobile suit encounter.

That is true, though Kamille also did scare her when he could have killed her in Zeta and chose not to. Haman always seems to underestimate her opponents. She was even surprised when Scirocco was able to evade her funnels.

[Smoth]

Kamille had the greatest control, he went through the most emotional development and thus had the most matured powers

[Zeorymer - Battling Cancer]

I do wonder though, which version of Kamille is considered cannon now in the UC timeline....given we have the compilation movie trilogy which changes a VERY critical fate at the end of Zeta.

[Smoth]

it is called a "new translation" for a reason. Probably just best to consider it a fun spinoff. I dunno, I love zeta so much I am saving the last movie for a really big day.

[Jacob]

Shakti Kareen and her mother, Maria are probably the strongest Newtypes to exist, as they were tasked with controlling Zanscare's mass murder weapon, Angel Halo. The Halo was supposed to kill every living thing that came into contact within it's waves of influence. Everyone talking about Kamille and Judua makes me think y'all haven't even seen Victory Gundam.

[Smoth]

Originally posted by MobileSuitGoatse:

Shakti Kareen and her mother, Maria are probably the strongest Newtypes to exist, as they were tasked with controlling Zanscare's mass murder weapon, Angel Halo. The Halo was supposed to kill every living thing that came into contact within it's waves of influence. Everyone talking about Kamille and Judua makes me think y'all haven't even seen Victory Gundam.

that is like saying someone had a powerful voice because they whispered into BIG AS ♥♥♥♥ SPEAKERS

[Ebon Wolf]

Kamille is canonically the strongest. Amuro has some hax too. Dude is walking plot armor.

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Smoth:

Originally posted by MobileSuitGoatse:

Shakti Kareen and her mother, Maria are probably the strongest Newtypes to exist, as they were tasked with controlling Zanscare's mass murder weapon, Angel Halo. The Halo was supposed to kill every living thing that came into contact within it's waves of influence. Everyone talking about Kamille and Judua makes me think y'all haven't even seen Victory Gundam.

that is like saying someone had a powerful voice because they whispered into BIG AS ♥♥♥♥ SPEAKERS

Only those two could manage to focus the Newtype powers of the thousands of psychickers that powered the Angel Halo. Seems pretty powerful to me. More powerful than summoning the spirits of a few dead people to immobilize one MS.

[Smoth]

plug kamile in angel halo and he'd be calling way more than that dude. Look at what amuro did with a PIECE of psychoframe shaped like a T...

[Ralen]

Threads being necroed from years ago are bad manners, but Kamille is still the strongest. Tomino, himself, has stated as such. Kamille has far greater newtype potential than any other character in the UC timeline.