Friendly fire seriously?! It's just unplayable.

[Trollberserk]

This kind of game, where you swing your weapon all the time can't be played with FF, it's just unplayable. I don't even understand why you put it in.
At least, made an option to activate it or not please, because champion mode is just impossble at this moment.

[Grahf]

引用自 ezol：

引用自 Grahf：

Because of her limitation about fullfilling her role in higher difficulty. She can do things, thats ok, but other chars can do it better

Just do something better with 12-16 ammo capacity and compare result. And what exactly they do better?

3 pages of ppl arguing about champ being melee only. Thats what they do better. melee

[Steelchamp]

引用自 ezol：

引用自 Steelchampion：

Is the bright wizard viable in harder difficulties? I would guess that if you are required to melee 90% of the time, then the other 4 classes would be more viable, though I am genuinely interested to hear from someone with experience :)

All heroes are required to melee 90% of the time. Sienna totally viable, even almost forgivable as dwarf (unchained).

But surely then it would be more logical to choose a character who specialises in melee than to play Sienna if you are truely required to melee the majority of the time?

[morn]

引用自 Grahf：

引用自 ezol：

Just do something better with 12-16 ammo capacity and compare result. And what exactly they do better?

3 pages of ppl arguing about champ being melee only. Thats what they do better. melee

And what weapon you use? Dagger is amazing, sword and flame sword is just ok. I can control and kill everything, even patrol solo in melee, maybe only chaos warrior or monks/berzerkers is challenging for her. Do you think all others heroes do it better?

[AnaLoGMunKy]

引用自 Steelchampion：

引用自 ezol：

All heroes are required to melee 90% of the time. Sienna totally viable, even almost forgivable as dwarf (unchained).

But surely then it would be more logical to choose a character who specialises in melee than to play Sienna if you are truely required to melee the majority of the time?

This is the main thing I think peeps are having difficulty with. There is actually no ranged character. People see a wizzard and a flame staff and think sienna is all about the ranged. Its an easy mistake to make because there are almost no other games quite like Vermintide.

引用自 ezol：

And what weapon you use? Dagger is amazing, sword and flame sword is just ok.

Flame sword just ok?
pfft! pistols at dawn sir! Ill bring my flame sword and you bring your dagger ;P

[Grahf]

引用自 ezol：

引用自 Grahf：

3 pages of ppl arguing about champ being melee only. Thats what they do better. melee

And what weapon you use? Dagger is amazing, sword and flame sword is just ok. I can control and kill everything, even patrol solo in melee, maybe only chaos warrior or monks/berzerkers is challenging for her. Do you think all others heroes do it better?

yes that the feeling i had during this few hours in beta. Obviously its a personal impression, but seems very popular in here as the opness of kerillian. Personally i dont even care of op or up chars, i still main sienna because i like what she can do.

[morn]

引用自 Grahf：

引用自 ezol：

And what weapon you use? Dagger is amazing, sword and flame sword is just ok. I can control and kill everything, even patrol solo in melee, maybe only chaos warrior or monks/berzerkers is challenging for her. Do you think all others heroes do it better?

yes that the feeling i had during this few hours in beta. Obviously its a personal impression, but seems very popular in here as the opness of kerillian. Personally i dont even care of op or up chars, i still main sienna because i like what she can do.

- Do you think all others heroes do it better?
- Elf op!
Yeah, nice! If you want play with real op take Kruber and desintegrate all, enemies, specials, bosses, stones, sky, game client, universe... Just slay boss with 3 hits without potion and oneshot chaos warrior 2 seconds later. But we kinda talk about all heroes, not only op ones.
P.S. Every hero has his own pros and cons, Sienna is solid middle ground with versatility weapons and unlimited ammo, she can deal with any special type (how many times I repeat this?) and her heat menagement is hard for new players, but rewarded if you do it right, bc you can shoot special or clear the horde when match going to hell even if others have trouble with supplies. And on top of this you just save ammo for others from ordinary or Bardin's ammo packs.

[Voodoo]

Thank you for this topic guys, you really helped me to make a purchase decision. With so many people with "git gud or gtfo" mentality, not only here but also in beta, I guess this is elite game for elite players and not for me, mere mortal. Enjoy your club.

[morn]

引用自 Khranitel // Bitskins.com：

Thank you for this topic guys, you really helped me to make a purchase decision. With so many people with "git gud or gtfo" mentality, not only here but also in beta, I guess this is elite game for elite players and not for me, mere mortal. Enjoy your club.

- I can't kill anyone on highest game difficulty!
- Just try "normal".
- NORMAL?! No Way! I guess this is elite game for elite players and not for me, mere mortal. Enjoy your club.

[Zeretrelle]

Either make friendly fire affect both melee and range(it is just and logical) or make it optional when hosting a game for any difficulty and add some incentive to have it enabled, for instance, a chance to get super rare and very powerful loot that drops from Cthulhu.

引用自 ezol：

- I can't kill anyone on highest game difficulty!
- Just try "normal".
- NORMAL?! No Way! I guess this is elite game for elite players and not for me, mere mortal. Enjoy your club.

Nice trolling attempt

Challenge doesn't come from FF (and unjust and illogical at that -only melee hurrhurrhurr) alone..

[Voodoo]

引用自 ezol：

引用自 Khranitel // Bitskins.com：

Thank you for this topic guys, you really helped me to make a purchase decision. With so many people with "git gud or gtfo" mentality, not only here but also in beta, I guess this is elite game for elite players and not for me, mere mortal. Enjoy your club.

- I can't kill anyone on highest game difficulty!
- Just try "normal".
- NORMAL?! No Way! I guess this is elite game for elite players and not for me, mere mortal. Enjoy your club.

Thank you for providing a fine example of what I talked about.

[morn]

引用自 ;1696040635903329285：

Either make friendly fire affect both melee and range(it is just and logical) or make it optional when hosting a game for any difficulty and add some incentive to have it enabled, for instance, a chance to get super rare and very powerful loot.

Melee ff in v1 failed completely and has been removed. All balance in v2 (from v1 basically) centered around always available melee and limited from many sides ranged. Even if devs listen to your wise advice game just became unplayeble and you leave it first.

[morn]

引用自 Khranitel // Bitskins.com：

Thank you for providing a fine example of what I talked about.

Np, enjoy.

引用自 h0rnyfavn：

Challenge doesn't come from FF (and unjust and illogical at that -only melee hurrhurrhurr) alone..

But if challenge doesn't come from FF, why so many ppl whine about it? Explain plz.

[Grahf]

引用自 Khranitel // Bitskins.com：

引用自 ezol：

- I can't kill anyone on highest game difficulty!
- Just try "normal".
- NORMAL?! No Way! I guess this is elite game for elite players and not for me, mere mortal. Enjoy your club.

Thank you for providing a fine example of what I talked about.

dont take him too seriously. If you look at some other threads you will see he is a well known troll. For my experience i found both good and bad players habits in this game. Honestly i saw a lot worse communities than that. So if you like the game and concept, give it a try. Your choise mate :)

[Girth Vader]

Let's just hope that the forums get wiped at 1900 CET again and all the idiots who think this is a COMPETITIVE game along with all the idiots whose mentality is "I wan't to play on the hardest difficulty but I don't want it to be hard" won't be playing anymore because the code they got for free somewhere only worked for the last beta.

[JamesTBG]

引用自 h0rnyfavn：

Challenge doesn't come from FF

It does. You seem to be a good example for that.