Crusade Mechanics

[gmsh1964]

Before I state a game on EASY mode (I am not smart enough to deal with AI), I figured I would try a crusade and learn something. Well, I just entered one. My KING (Marshall) appeared outside his town with an army that was not mine.., not a problem, I understand that. But my huge army that he was leading.., its gone? I checked the Province Overview, the Kingdom and Province map.., I thought just the Marshall left for the Crusade and left his army behind for me to assign one of my other Marshalls. Any help appreciated.

[DNLH]

Hmm, this is the second time this got mentioned and it seems like there's an issue somewhere when the King becomes a Crusader, normally their army should just be left somewhere in vicnity, available for re-hiring by your Marshals.

There's this thing, when Marshal King dies and his heir is a Marshal who's not currently busy, they should normally just inherit the whole army. I wonder if there's something in the game that makes the army vanish to re-appear with new commander, but as it is King going on a Crusade instead of dying, it just goes all wrong.

[gmsh1964]

I can confirm a bug. My king (England) was imprisoned, then died. The army never re-appeared.., not that that is how it is supposed to work - bottom line is, the large army is gone and at the conclusion of the Crusade and death of king - army never re-appeared. Lesson learned - NEVER crusading again. Thank you for responding.

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by gmsh1964:

Before I state a game on EASY mode (I am not smart enough to deal with AI), I figured I would try a crusade and learn something. Well, I just entered one. My KING (Marshall) appeared outside his town with an army that was not mine.., not a problem, I understand that. But my huge army that he was leading.., its gone? I checked the Province Overview, the Kingdom and Province map.., I thought just the Marshall left for the Crusade and left his army behind for me to assign one of my other Marshalls. Any help appreciated.

Yeah you gotta drop them troops off in one of your towns before you crusade

[gmsh1964]

I agree that would work, but man, that is a bug.., you know what I mean, because its so dumb. I also lost the Crusade and Marshall was imprisoned.., no idea how to tell that could happen.., I am done with Crusades.., seems to be all Risk, no Reward, and fiddly. Yeah, I also did not get any increase in the Opinion of the Clergy!! I assumed that was given, but I did not get anything.

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by gmsh1964:

I agree that would work, but man, that is a bug.., you know what I mean, because its so dumb. I also lost the Crusade and Marshall was imprisoned.., no idea how to tell that could happen.., I am done with Crusades.., seems to be all Risk, no Reward, and fiddly. Yeah, I also did not get any increase in the Opinion of the Clergy!! I assumed that was given, but I did not get anything.

Dude that sucks! yeah you got like the worst case scenario in every column. Sorry to hear that :/ usually when I do a crusade I get I think +3-5 with clergy, +75-250 with papal states a couple vassals/trade partners and at the end a free army. Maybe the devs can chime in if this was a bug I'm sure they can fix it :)

[gmsh1964]

Shadow, thank you again for the outstanding help. I still am done with Crusades. There are other things I could focus on. Take care.

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by gmsh1964:

Shadow, thank you again for the outstanding help. I still am done with Crusades. There are other things I could focus on. Take care.

I'm trying a pagan playrhough and good lord being on the receiving side of a crusade is BRUTAL I had to use both armies and a full garrison and we barely stopped em. It was harsh fighting templars and stuff with militia XD

[Zaidah]

I had a crusade just today, one of my mashall was selected and a new army was created, leaving the previous one as a mercenary army.

-I could get all the units back from the mercenary army for free (a lot of time passed before I did and they didn't move). Seems like they were some kind of loyalist mercenaries so I could just come with a marshall and put the units 1 by 1 in the new army.

-The captured land would be given to me (which was nice). But, when the crusade ended (victorious), my selected marshall became a rebel (as his goal was fulfiled or something like that), so be prepare to fight your own marshall (which profits from perks AND your tradition effects, since he initially belongs to your kingdom !)

In case of victorious crusade, you would trade a marshall against lands : better check how much the target has if it's only one it's probably not worth it, unless you're at a point where you produce enough book to quickly level up a new marshall.

[Chip56]

In my crusades my crusader always came back and rejoined my court if he won (together with the remains of the crusader army). In some cases he lost and got imprisoned and i had to pay some ransom or arange his escape.

The only times i had my knights become rebels were when a famous rebel was on the map and they joined him.

[DNLH]

Mhm, sounds like maybe your Marshal got bribed before leaving? I haven't seen them rebel at the end of Crusade before, either. I don't really care about lands, most of the time I keep my fingers crossed it will just set up a Crusader State, but I do like the extra units you get from Crusades, especially ones you don't really have access to otherwise, like knights (Teutonic or Templars, but Feudal Knights are good enough prize for some kingdoms that have hard time accessing them) and Halberdiers.