does anyone bother with spies ?

[Teefy]

they take up a valuable knight slot, their actions are too expensive for its successrate, there arent any really valuable actions to begin with ? (possibly provoke war)

id rather have a trader or marshall.

thoughts?

[Drakken]

Spies are costly but can absolutely ruin a rival country if you have the funds.

[Lvl 1 Human]

I mean its the only way to "diplo-annex" vassals. And you can make independent kingdoms. Its also funny to rebel a country to death.

[hellfusion]

Spies are mostly just toys for late game. Usually other knights are better but you can do neat stuff with them like consuming entire kingdom at once. Late game 1 spy for that + witch hunt to protect you from enemies spies is OK.

[Doctard]

Late game spies feel like a must for me. If i'm trying to push a big kingdom out of the great power list, it's a lot easier to just send a spy there to cause trouble instead of having to go across half the map and slowly conquer his stuff

[NoWayi]

I have been using them i think they are really good, i dont think i have seen every possibility but a lot so far

just by sending them to a kingdom it gives a lot of information just by beeing there, you can see their territory their buildings/upgrades and armies on their territory

i have had a bribed marhsall become a king once but "something" happened and no idea what would have happened or maybe its just a huge relation boost with that nation not sure

what i was wondering but havent yet managed to try that what would happen if my daughter becomes a queen then if i would manage to assasinate her husband (king) and they would have no princes or childs at all (not sure if this is the same or different) then would i get all of their territory or something or what would happen

I guess i would have a claim option? would be lame if she would just get a new random king

[Pandas]

I think the success chance is bugged. I've bribed knights or killed kings with a success rate of 9% before. Failed inciting riots with a success rate of 76%.

You're much better off focusing on other knights early / mid game. Wait till you have enough money to just throw at spys.

[Berserk Belta]

Massive central part of the game for me, they're a big part of my plans for managing relations, conquering lands, winning wars

[Xherdos]

Originally posted by Lvl 1 Human:

Its also funny to rebel a country to death.

Best thing to do when you're bored in Knights of Honor 1, just create tons of rebellions and Indepentend Kingdoms :)

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by Teefy:

they take up a valuable knight slot, their actions are too expensive for its successrate, there arent any really valuable actions to begin with ? (possibly provoke war)

id rather have a trader or marshall.

thoughts?

They are OP as heck if you play to use them and get the traditions, you can steal an entire nation without a war

[Farlon]

For me, a spy is a must-have, they can massively boost your stability when governing and their actions really are valuable but you have to bribe knights for some of them.
- You can spawn and reinforce loyalist rebellions.
- You can burn food or open city gates for easy sieges.
- You can provoke a war with yourself if you don't want to ruin relations with others or if you have a defensive pact.
- You can steal gold from their treasury, which can be a lot.
And there's probably more that I don't know of.

[Iskar]

- You can make other countries' governors break away as your vassals
- you can murder various knights (including active marshals)
- you can make marshals turn into rebels
- you can improve troop quality of rebels
- you can turn ordinary rebels into loyalists
- you can murder kings
- you can ruin other kingdoms' trade relations
and other stuff that I haven't found out myself yet.

[Chompers]

Spies are nuts. If you know how, you can subjugate an entire nation with 1 spy.

[DNLH]

An absolute must-have for me as well, can't imagine fighting against someone I don't have a spy at, at least for main opponent in war (one I'm likely to take lands of). I'm even pondering a spy-focused playthrough right now, with related traditions and stuff, just no solid idea who and when would be best for it yet. Already had a blast playing as Merchant-focused Genoa with Bribery Tradition, bought myself a quarter of France by bribing right Burgundian Prince, and fragmented Byzantines by having their Knights go independent.

[iche_bins]

Originally posted by Chompers:

Spies are nuts. If you know how, you can subjugate an entire nation with 1 spy.

Care to enlighten the unknowing?

[Teefy]

i haven't stumbled on the rob treasury action yet. how does it work ?