Something needs to be done with marriage system

[Artur]

Sorry to say, but it's horrible.
I constantly have kings who dying without successor because I couldn't find for him wife in time.
Despite I'm checking map every now and then, but all eligible women just refuse because of ''inheritance issues"
Give us an option to marry ordinary wife, if we can't find noble.
Or correct AI that at least one kingdom will always give positive answer.
It's unnecessary tedious

[SilentK]

Really? Mine always get married too fking soon.

Anyway you can get inheritance thing by having a butload of influence, but its not necessarily a playstyle I'd pursue. Influence+good relations will yield inheritance, careful with non agression pacts, the trade one is easy to manage the hit but truce/non agression are a huge bit, see if its worth it.

[Artur]

Originally posted by SilentK:

Really? Mine always get married too fking soon.

Anyway you can get inheritance thing by having a butload of influence, but its not necessarily a playstyle I'd pursue. Influence+good relations will yield inheritance, careful with non agression pacts, the trade one is easy to manage the hit but truce/non agression are a huge bit, see if its worth it.

Well, usually I have 2-3 kingdoms with princess. Different faith and culture, and far away. So I have no influence at all. And all of them say they "afraid". What do they afraid? My one province "kingdom" in another part of the world?

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by Artur:

Sorry to say, but it's horrible.
I constantly have kings who dying without successor because I couldn't find for him wife in time.
Despite I'm checking map every now and then, but all eligible women just refuse because of ''inheritance issues"
Give us an option to marry ordinary wife, if we can't find noble.
Or correct AI that at least one kingdom will always give positive answer.
It's unnecessary tedious

Use diplomacy more, you should always have some friends that will happily marry. My princes and princesses are usually married off while still basically children

[Artur]

Originally posted by ShadowFox:

Originally posted by Artur:

Sorry to say, but it's horrible.
I constantly have kings who dying without successor because I couldn't find for him wife in time.
Despite I'm checking map every now and then, but all eligible women just refuse because of ''inheritance issues"
Give us an option to marry ordinary wife, if we can't find noble.
Or correct AI that at least one kingdom will always give positive answer.
It's unnecessary tedious

Use diplomacy more, you should always have some friends that will happily marry. My princes and princesses are usually married off while still basically children

Look, here is last example. I'm having this situation during entire game.
There is never more then 2-3 kingdoms that have princess.
Always random.
Always far away. Once it was my neighbor, but he hated me, because we was at war.
Improving relationship is not an option, because until my relationship will be high enough, princess will already be married. They do that very fast.
There is no notification that "your bribe is ripe".
Not even an age, so I can plan ahead.
And why would I do that just to get married?
Why this simple and routine part of the game must be so difficult and frustrating?
I have plenty of friends, as I'm playing mostly peaceful. But chances that they will have princess is almost zero. Because there is usually just 2-3 for entire world

[hellfusion]

Would be neat if they added a filter that shows which countries have juvenile princesses. So you could make preparations. Ideally some alert system “a girl was born to one of our neighbors”.

[Artur]

Originally posted by hellfusion:

Would be neat if they added a filter that shows which countries have juvenile princesses. So you could make preparations. Ideally some alert system “a girl was born to one of our neighbors”.

And as an option, possibility to prearrange the marriage.
I'm okay even if there will be princess market where their fathers will look for best bidder.
If for some reason girls are so rare in this game

Just need some reasonable rules, instead of hours of map monitoring

[zolobolo]

I seems to me it is difficult to get married if the king does not rule over much land. Once there is more territory that could be grabbed by the other side they dont mind giving away the princess do I see this correctly?

I dont mind this much as the kingdom will have a successor even if the king didnt find anyone

But gameplay wise I think there is an opportunity here: marry the daughter of one of the courtiers - this would be a guaranteed deal but come at the risk of civil war where the new successor and the queen dispute who should get the throne or the courtier father of the queen wants to land grab and create his own kingdom instead and thereby the kingdom is not only in turmoil but has also lost an experience courtier

[Artur]

Originally posted by zolobolo:

I seems to me it is difficult to get married if the king does not rule over much land. Once there is more territory that could be grabbed by the other side they dont mind giving away the princess do I see this correctly?

I dont mind this much as the kingdom will have a successor even if the king didnt find anyone

But gameplay wise I think there is an opportunity here: marry the daughter of one of the courtiers - this would be a guaranteed deal but come at the risk of civil war where the new successor and the queen dispute who should get the throne or the courtier father of the queen wants to land grab and create his own kingdom instead and thereby the kingdom is not only in turmoil but has also lost an experience courtier

I think so.
I always starting with one province, and have really hard time to find a spouse.
Automatically they marrying at old age, and of course their children never made it to adulthood before father's death.
It would be reasonable if they marrying automatically in just last moment before it's too late. But this is broken in the game ATM.
This could be solved in so many ways.
Concubines, lovers, lowborn, etc.

[zolobolo]

Originally posted by Artur:

Concubines, lovers, lowborn, etc.

These options sound really interesting if the various social strata could be played against each other (leaning on the support of the clerics against the nobles for example)
From what I have seen this is not intended to be there mechanically and all the support simply stack up to total support

[Artur]

I was just following world map, and for the last 30 min of gameplay, not a single princess.
Does this make any sense?
It looks like there is a virus in this game that killed all women.
Personally, I don't care.
Even if they will give us gay marriages like in The Sims.
As long as my king can have a successor

[Chompers]

That "inheritance issue" dialog pops up because the AI doesn't trust you. You need to improve your relationships before a kingdom is going to risk losing territory on their relationship with you. This game leans more on diplomacy than the first one did for sure.

[Elden Ring 2 when?]

The birthrate is only 12% chance I believe lol

[Artur]

Originally posted by Thee'e Vang:

The birthrate is only 12% chance I believe lol

At the same time, me, sometimes have only girls. But not a single girl in other countries 🤦

There is some crazy disbalanced issue here

[Berserk Breton]

It's a great temptation to say "use the diplomacy map wisely and things will be ok" and much of the time that's true.

In the interest of fairness, though, I'm going add my experience to the OP's complaint. Sometimes despite keeping good relationships and using leftshift+F often to see where there are princes/princesses to marry, you hit a RNG bottleneck for an extended period. This has happened to me twice, no wife available for ages.

The second one it effectively wiped out my dynasty at its high point (rest in peace, Alfred).

[Artur]

Originally posted by Smurfle Reign:

It's a great temptation to say "use the diplomacy map wisely and things will be ok" and much of the time that's true.

In the interest of fairness, though, I'm going add my experience to the OP's complaint. Sometimes despite keeping good relationships and using leftshift+F often to see where there are princes/princesses to marry, you hit a RNG bottleneck for an extended period. This has happened to me twice, no wife available for ages.

The second one it effectively wiped out my dynasty at its high point (rest in peace, Alfred).

Yeah, diplomacy might help for marriage, if there would be women...
It just crazy. We have, how many? Around 50 kingdoms? Each have a king, and 5 slots for children.
And yet, not a single available princess. 🤷