15k Rebel Doom Stacks

[Gorgeous_Joe]

Are these new since the last update? I don't recall seeing them before, and the game is hilariously unbalanced now or was it always this way.....hmmmm? I'm sure I'll eventually kill them all but the A.I can't cope and the map is most likely going to become an entire rebel empire

[Kimlin]

I haven’t seen any but the rebels can gain strength if not handled. I imagine they can grow to 15,000+

[FlashXAron ☕ (Alex)]

Had just a Legendary Rebels east of my country, they killed the last 2 provinces from Hungary but after that, they changed to "Barnat" and is now a normal Country !
Even they had 4 stacks, but that stacks have been around 4000 - 5000 each and most of them peasants ...
already late game, so they wouldn't had any chance against larger nations with 8-10 provinces

[Ted Flint]

You shouldn't have so much rebels if you manage your country well. At hardcore wars to me
(most being plotted by enemies spies) I had something like 3+3+3+4+3+3+2 = 21k enemy forces on me but always managed with having 3 strong marshals + 1 mongol cleric (also a warrior as pagan) plus hiring full mercs armies.

Something that is not explained but yes, you can hire full merc armies by a button, then they go doing war automatically against your attackers (and their allies). Also works with rebels, but you need quite some cash.

[Gorgeous_Joe]

So, in the end I had to reload from an earlier save as the rebels won, or would have won. Just so many spawns and its not like you can cut the head off the snake anymore as you end up fighting a hydra, cut down the main rebel leader and another just replaces him. It became a loop and eventually I ran out of money and man power. If this was late game they would have been crushed no doubt but this is still light troops early game stage. I've seen this happen to A.I kingdoms so many times now with different play through's. Rebellions in the early game can lead to death spirals quite easily.

[Ted Flint]

Originally posted by Gorgeous_Joe:

So, in the end I had to reload from an earlier save as the rebels won, or would have won. Just so many spawns. It became a loop and eventually I ran out of money and man power. If this was late game they would have been crushed no doubt but this is still light troops early game stage. I've seen this happen to A.I kingdoms so many times now with different play through's. Rebellions in the early game can lead to death spirals quite easily.

That's why you need at least 1 diplomat quite early, to lower tensions with close kingdoms that are very strong. I had times of gameplay (even normal difficulty) with 2 diplomats for avoiding wars.

[Gorgeous_Joe]

Originally posted by FlashXAron ☕ (Alex):

Had just a Legendary Rebels east of my country, they killed the last 2 provinces from Hungary but after that, they changed to "Barnat" and is now a normal Country !
Even they had 4 stacks, but that stacks have been around 4000 - 5000 each and most of them peasants ...
already late game, so they wouldn't had any chance against larger nations with 8-10 provinces

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If you hover over the rebel army manpower it shows you the % increase the stack has got, usually its 150 or 200% taking it up to 7500 troops and combine two of them to 15k, they literally siege down a castle in moments and the generals are all level 15.

[Ted Flint]

Originally posted by Gorgeous_Joe:

Originally posted by FlashXAron ☕ (Alex):

Had just a Legendary Rebels east of my country, they killed the last 2 provinces from Hungary but after that, they changed to "Barnat" and is now a normal Country !
Even they had 4 stacks, but that stacks have been around 4000 - 5000 each and most of them peasants ...
already late game, so they wouldn't had any chance against larger nations with 8-10 provinces

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If you hover over the rebel army manpower it shows you the % increase the stack has got, usually its 150 or 200% taking it up to 7500 troops and combine two of them to 15k, they literally siege down a castle in moments and the generals are all level 15.

Then maybe you put 2x speed a bit too much, I often play at 0.5x speed, mainly 1x speed, and very rarely above. If you put speed too fast people around can get very powerful very quick :)

[Ted Flint]

I'll try Brittany this playthrough and for sure I'll play at 0.5x speed most of the time to start with.

[Ted Flint]

Originally posted by Gorgeous_Joe:

Originally posted by FlashXAron ☕ (Alex):

Had just a Legendary Rebels east of my country, they killed the last 2 provinces from Hungary but after that, they changed to "Barnat" and is now a normal Country !
Even they had 4 stacks, but that stacks have been around 4000 - 5000 each and most of them peasants ...
already late game, so they wouldn't had any chance against larger nations with 8-10 provinces

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If you hover over the rebel army manpower it shows you the % increase the stack has got, usually its 150 or 200% taking it up to 7500 troops and combine two of them to 15k, they literally siege down a castle in moments and the generals are all level 15.

I had this tons of time, it means you waited a little too long. My armies were not yet so powerful but using 2 armies against 1 is always the winning formula. Before your neighbours get too strong. Rinse and repeat even if you are in a dire situation - put a formula like 2x infantry, 4x heavy infantry, 2x archers - winning combo. And go to regen in another castle between fights, your armies move faster than you think and loosing a farm is not a big deal.

[Ted Flint]

If you do loose too often, educate your marshals, it's very important so they can pair up to enemies marshals that are >12 level in fights. Make traditions in infantry. Fight back.

[SilentK]

You armies can usually beat them get tradition logistics 3, get all your generals logistics 3 and get at least 2 man power thingy, expensive but you shouldn't really have more than 3-4 armies anyway, and at that point you can afford the food cost.

[Ted Flint]

While doing all these advices, build marshals and big castles to improve levies. At my last play I was able to bring more than 5K in levies = huge advantage to hire any army you want. Needs a specific building to be built in a province with the most castles in your realm.

[Artur]

I had the same right now. Entire world is fighting popular uprising. They taking everything.
Lucky for me, my king was spy. So he got a cheap option "turn them to loyalists".
It doesn't give me anything, as they still turned into independent countries. But they didn't bother me at least.
It's kinda fun mechanic)
Besides, I was able to capture those independent countries one by one, as everyone hates them

[DNLH]

So far I was able to sit on the sides of it, but now I'm playing as Duchy of Poland on Hard and not gonna lie, am a bit worried, half my playthroughs famous rebels did dismantle someone in Eastern Europe or Scandinavia so far.

I'd be careful with paying them to become loyalist, I thought the same as you and told my brother who played Polotsk to pay off their leader so they'd stop bothering him... he ended up owning all of Poland and good chunk of Sweden.

[Hanzo]

Originally posted by Gorgeous_Joe:

Are these new since the last update? I don't recall seeing them before, and the game is hilariously unbalanced now or was it always this way.....hmmmm? I'm sure I'll eventually kill them all but the A.I can't cope and the map is most likely going to become an entire rebel empire

Seen 8k+ stack in my game before the update. After I got 32k pieces of gold for beating them I always put Iron Fist skill on at least one of my marshals (would've get 64k)