Ruins Extra-1 (Further Fields) unintended solution

[18111398]

I think this solution is much more complex than the intended one but I am still reporting this since it does not use the knowledge that objects that are not YOU do not react with DEFEAT objects.
The main idea of this solution is to make KEKE IS YOU and KEKE IS WIN at the same time. The solution is roughly to:
1. make KEKE IS YOU horizontally placed with the help of three Babas and BABA IS MOVE (can be very tricky but there is a lot of ways to do that)
2. move KEKE IS YOU at the row two tiles above FLAG IS WIN with the three Babas
3. push KEKE IS YOU and another IS to the right and try to form KEKE IS WIN. KEKE IS FLAG can be formed at this step but can be avoided by not pushing the two lines at the same time
Step 3 is probably highly dependent on the map layout and may can be simply patched by moving some of the walls, I'm not sure. This solution does not make Keke to the right side even once.

[18111398]

Extra information: Meteor Strike's unintended solution still exists. Same as in this thread but just moving the BELT IS GHOST thing above the Belts.

[eradmis]

I don't think that level has much of an intended solution. It's a lot more free form than any of the other levels in the game while also giving you a set goal. Also, just getting Keke Is You sideways is more work than most of the solutions I know of for that level, and I know of a bunch.

Frankly, if they wanted to make the level more strict, they could just take out a Baba. You can beat it with just 2.

[18111398]

Originally posted by eradmis:

I don't think that level has much of an intended solution. It's a lot more free form than any of the other levels in the game while also giving you a set goal. Also, just getting Keke Is You sideways is more work than most of the solutions I know of for that level, and I know of a bunch.

Frankly, if they wanted to make the level more strict, they could just take out a Baba. You can beat it with just 2.

There are many different solutions but all solutions I know share the same idea to disassemble KEKE IS YOU, get Keke cross the Grass and reassemble KEKE IS YOU again. The dev has also confirmed that this is the intended idea here.
That solution I provided above is just about moving Texts around. It does not use that idea at all and I don't think solving in this way would be fun.

[mato]

Originally posted by eradmis:

You can beat it with just 2.

After reading this, I had to try. It wasn't too hard.

However, do you think this could be intended: https://imgur.com/sjciCcO :D
I didn't think that was possible, but then it just worked.

[Hempuli]

Interesting! The interaction itself is valid, but there's a kind of a goofy bug going on there as well. Explanation: Keke Is Move/You lets you move an extra tile, which shouldn't be enough to cross the Grass. However, since what you created there has two Is verbs, the game creates the Move/You bit twice, meaning that the two Move rules stack and you move two extra tiles instead! I might want to look at that behaviour, heh.

[18111398]

Wow, even with 50+ hrs playtime I didn't figure out that Texts can overlap when being pushed from two directions. Interesting...

[18111398]

Originally posted by mtomato:

Originally posted by eradmis:

You can beat it with just 2.

After reading this, I had to try. It wasn't too hard.

However, do you think this could be intended: https://imgur.com/sjciCcO :D
I didn't think that was possible, but then it just worked.

I cannot recreate your solution. That behavior doesn't seems to work for me. Weird.
EDIT: Succeed. These three Babas have different priority orders. Wow

[mato]

Originally posted by 18111398:

These three Babas have different priority orders. Wow

I struggled with the priority orders too. First I pushed the word KEKE up, so that the IS pair could merge, but for YOU/MOVE, I had to switch Babas around.

[karlabos2011]

Originally posted by Hempuli:

Interesting! The interaction itself is valid, but there's a kind of a goofy bug going on there as well. Explanation: Keke Is Move/You lets you move an extra tile, which shouldn't be enough to cross the Grass. However, since what you created there has two Is verbs, the game creates the Move/You bit twice, meaning that the two Move rules stack and you move two extra tiles instead! I might want to look at that behaviour, heh.

Can't say it's exactly a bug... It's the same concept used in Depths extra 1: Priority Lane
Might as well make a puzzle out of it >:)

[18111398]

Originally posted by karlabos2011:

Originally posted by Hempuli:

Interesting! The interaction itself is valid, but there's a kind of a goofy bug going on there as well. Explanation: Keke Is Move/You lets you move an extra tile, which shouldn't be enough to cross the Grass. However, since what you created there has two Is verbs, the game creates the Move/You bit twice, meaning that the two Move rules stack and you move two extra tiles instead! I might want to look at that behaviour, heh.

Can't say it's exactly a bug... It's the same concept used in Depths extra 1: Priority Lane
Might as well make a puzzle out of it >:)

That bug is pushing blocks from more than one direction in one turn causes uncertain behaviors, in this case making the Texts overlap, not what you mentioned.