Squad 44

Squad 44

zelatur Jul 10, 2024 @ 3:10am
Lower the FOV cant see sh anything
I think someone who has big screen and playing on 4K have massive advantage over those who play on smaller monitor and 1080p, visibility in this game is a torture. I think human eyes can see better than that and shouldnt be dependent on equipment you own ...
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Southpaw Jul 10, 2024 @ 5:59am 
4 post of you complaining :steamfacepalm: If you've put that effort into learning the game...
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zelatur Jul 10, 2024 @ 6:10am 
what monitor and resolution youre playing on ?
rckrz6 Jul 10, 2024 @ 12:04pm 
theres always going to be an advantage in PC gamming in who has the best gear, theres no way avoiding it just enjoy the game
nolaJeff Jul 10, 2024 @ 1:07pm 
Originally posted by zelatur:
I think someone who has big screen and playing on 4K have massive advantage over those who play on smaller monitor and 1080p, visibility in this game is a torture. I think human eyes can see better than that and shouldnt be dependent on equipment you own ...

FOV has nothing to do with this. EVERY game where players have different resolutions will have a disparity, it's not unique to Squad 44.
Maniac86 Jul 10, 2024 @ 1:11pm 
Resolution isnt FoV, those are two different things, learn the basic of the terms before you try and troll so you don't sound as ignorant (before you make another post, just so you know, hz and FPS are not the same thing)
zelatur Jul 10, 2024 @ 1:35pm 
Originally posted by nolaJeff:
FOV has nothing to do with this. EVERY game where players have different resolutions will have a disparity, it's not unique to Squad 44.

Squad is a bit unique, spotting enemies can be very difficult and there is nothing to help that, like in other games where you have 3d spotting icons, tracers, minimap icons or literally enemy name above their head ... so bigger screen and resolution is an advantage. With fov 90 you have to get closer to your screen to see ...
nolaJeff Jul 10, 2024 @ 2:55pm 
Originally posted by zelatur:
Originally posted by nolaJeff:
FOV has nothing to do with this. EVERY game where players have different resolutions will have a disparity, it's not unique to Squad 44.

Squad is a bit unique, spotting enemies can be very difficult and there is nothing to help that, like in other games where you have 3d spotting icons, tracers, minimap icons or literally enemy name above their head ... so bigger screen and resolution is an advantage. With fov 90 you have to get closer to your screen to see ...

Sorry but all WWII fps games have this issue. HLL -- same issue, Battlefield -- same issue, COD -- same issue.

Yes, lowering FOV will make the "screen bigger", but it will also do that for the players with 4K, so there's still no gain of clarity for players with lesser resolution. All you really do by lowering the FOV is you close off situational awareness by narrowing the angle for which you can see. Realistic human vision is like 170 degrees - Squad 44 default is 90 degrees. That's almost half of reality. You want to make it smaller so we literally have tunnel vision. That's a terrible idea.

In addition, there are players with wide screen monitors that need to enlarge their FOV to match the screen properly. Forcing them to play at less than 90 degrees would basically make their game unplayable.

The better solution for you and players that have lesser resolution is to go buy better computers with better screens. I'm not sure why this is even an argument.

If you really want parity for all players then go play consoles. Everyone has the same hardware basically.
=7Cav=SPC.Crimzon.E Jul 11, 2024 @ 12:55am 
Originally posted by nolaJeff:
Originally posted by zelatur:

Squad is a bit unique, spotting enemies can be very difficult and there is nothing to help that, like in other games where you have 3d spotting icons, tracers, minimap icons or literally enemy name above their head ... so bigger screen and resolution is an advantage. With fov 90 you have to get closer to your screen to see ...

Sorry but all WWII fps games have this issue. HLL -- same issue, Battlefield -- same issue, COD -- same issue.

Yes, lowering FOV will make the "screen bigger", but it will also do that for the players with 4K, so there's still no gain of clarity for players with lesser resolution. All you really do by lowering the FOV is you close off situational awareness by narrowing the angle for which you can see. Realistic human vision is like 170 degrees - Squad 44 default is 90 degrees. That's almost half of reality. You want to make it smaller so we literally have tunnel vision. That's a terrible idea.

In addition, there are players with wide screen monitors that need to enlarge their FOV to match the screen properly. Forcing them to play at less than 90 degrees would basically make their game unplayable.

The better solution for you and players that have lesser resolution is to go buy better computers with better screens. I'm not sure why this is even an argument.

If you really want parity for all players then go play consoles. Everyone has the same hardware basically.


most games also change how things render and Focus view distance at long range
you can do exactly that in HLL to see farther and have an easier time shooting range with irons and even snipers.

This also used to be how Squad worked until they fixed the FOV
like they have in this game.

So I mean you make good points about situational awareness but it does work to the players advantage in most games the way FOV is done

and a larger monitor would work slightly better in this situation
you wouldn't get more FOV persay but in terms of open resolution your eyes might be able to pickup even more small differences in terrain, bushes etc.
I.E might be easier to see someone in a bush on a 27 inch monitor vs a 17 inch
monitor even if the 17 inch is 4k.

but the opposite is also in issue for that when the monitor gets too big
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zelatur Jul 12, 2024 @ 4:49am 
Originally posted by nolaJeff:
In addition, there are players with wide screen monitors that need to enlarge their FOV to match the screen properly. Forcing them to play at less than 90 degrees would basically make their game unplayable.

No dont force anyone, give them option, i meant lowering FOV by lowering the minimum number, now i think its from 90-120, change it to 60-120 so everyone will find a good fov for them.



Originally posted by ENG CrimzonEmpire:
... larger monitor would work slightly better in this situation
you wouldn't get more FOV persay but in terms of open resolution your eyes might be able to pickup even more small differences in terrain, bushes etc.
I.E might be easier to see someone in a bush on a 27 inch monitor vs a 17 inch
monitor even if the 17 inch is 4k.

I think "[ENG] CrimzonEmpire" explained it a little bit better than i did, thanks ... not sure if my english is that ♥♥♥♥ or people are just too angry here
TUROCK Jul 12, 2024 @ 5:59am 
Originally posted by zelatur:
Originally posted by nolaJeff:
In addition, there are players with wide screen monitors that need to enlarge their FOV to match the screen properly. Forcing them to play at less than 90 degrees would basically make their game unplayable.

No dont force anyone, give them option, i meant lowering FOV by lowering the minimum number, now i think its from 90-120, change it to 60-120 so everyone will find a good fov for them.



Originally posted by ENG CrimzonEmpire:
... larger monitor would work slightly better in this situation
you wouldn't get more FOV persay but in terms of open resolution your eyes might be able to pickup even more small differences in terrain, bushes etc.
I.E might be easier to see someone in a bush on a 27 inch monitor vs a 17 inch
monitor even if the 17 inch is 4k.

I think "[ENG] CrimzonEmpire" explained it a little bit better than i did, thanks ... not sure if my english is that ♥♥♥♥ or people are just too angry here

This is what we called binoculars....
Do you have a brain or ...??
For real ....
zelatur Jul 12, 2024 @ 10:22am 
Originally posted by TUROCK:
This is what we called binoculars....

Not everyone have them
nolaJeff Jul 12, 2024 @ 10:59am 
TUROCK, there's no need to hurl insults to get your point across.

Zelatur, The default is what it is. Everyone is used to it and to be honest, your post on the FOV is the only one I've seen in the 6 years I've been involved with the game. I don't think this is needed - and the general player population has not been clamoring for it. However, what is desirable for everyone is to get better computers that can power 1440 or 4K. I realize this is not obtainable for many but that's how PC gaming has always been - some players with budget rigs, some in the middle, and other with $$ for decked out machines. Up until last year I was toward the lower end but I made the decision to buy a new computer and it has been wonderful. I had 4K previous to the new computer but the machine was under-powered to get a decent frame rate and I often ran at 1440. Now I'm living the good life.
zelatur Jul 12, 2024 @ 12:29pm 
Originally posted by nolaJeff:
Everyone is used to it and to be honest, your post on the FOV is the only one I've seen in the 6 years I've been involved with the game.

Playerbase is small so maybe noone cared to post about it, it could be one of the factor that drove some players away from the game ...
nolaJeff Jul 12, 2024 @ 1:23pm 
Originally posted by zelatur:
Originally posted by nolaJeff:
Everyone is used to it and to be honest, your post on the FOV is the only one I've seen in the 6 years I've been involved with the game.

Playerbase is small so maybe noone cared to post about it, it could be one of the factor that drove some players away from the game ...

No, we're talking tens of thousands of people here over the years. So player base size is not the issue.
zelatur Jul 13, 2024 @ 3:36am 
Originally posted by nolaJeff:
So player base size is not the issue.

It kinda is? What if numbers will go down and noone will play it soon? Small player base indicate that there could be something wrong with the game, not with the players, but with the game.

Did anyone ever see someone complaining about Miniguns in Battlefield doing too little damage to infantry? Maybe not many notice such a details, or maybe noone cares to go to forums and start thread about it ... but it doesnt mean there is no problem that could be fixed or improved.

I like this game, it kinda reminded me of good old days playing Day of Defeat ... too bad its nothing like in the trailers ...
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