Why is reload in Karabiner 98k so much slower?

[꧁ YouTube = Rockboje ꧂]

i take a look.. the reload for K98k is completely different like the Allied Bolt action rifles. much slower and the K98k is taking the weapon down by reloading, so you have after every shoot to aim new
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haf9QURxO4E
fix thats please if i play german i want a chance vs allied Bolt action rifles

[Andy]

Originally posted by Rockboje:

your video shows thats the guy by quik firing also takes the head byside :)

He explained in the video, that's because he's been shooting alot of K31 where that was required. Not due to the action. It was just habit.
He even demonstrates that later in the video.

The fact remains. The bolt action on the Enfield can be operated faster than that of the K98.
And i for one am pleased that PS has actually represented this when many other games just crap out and use one animation for all bolt action guns when they weren't all made the same.

What might be worth a look aswell, is at videos showing the 'mad minute'
These are fast shooting, but 'aimed' fast shooting. The guy in the video you posted was just blasting away at a speed not practical if you actually want to hit something.
That will at least give a better representation about what was possible in combat. Mabee not at distance, but closer ranges certainly aplicable.

For CQB aswell, the British were tought to use the 'middle finger technique' to again increase speed.
Thumb and first finger always remain on the bolt, middle finger operates the trigger.
This technique wasn't tought to other nations during the war. And often bolt position was also prehibitive in using this anyway.
First mentioned in British training in "All-In-Fighting" from 1942

Also appears in 'Weapons Training Memorandum, number 7'. 1944

[Butt Spenza]

Kar98 sucks compared to the Enfield (especially the sniper version since you have to un-scope after every shot), but vs the Garand it's just a joke.
German riflemen don't even get a pistol. Wow.

"For CQB aswell, the British were tought to use the 'middle finger technique' to again increase speed.
Thumb and first finger always remain on the bolt, middle finger operates the trigger.
This technique wasn't tought to other nations during the war."

Don't even try using realism as an argument. Look at the magic allied tank armor and the terribly useless Panzerfaust. Or the fire rate of the heavy MG 42, which is only like 10 shots per second instead of 20+

[Wabbit]

I used to hate the Kar98 but after some practice I quite like it now. Its better at range. The weapons and teams are not even nor will they ever be. Adopt tactics to the map and equipment you have.

[Silky]

Axis or Allied, it's all the same reload time whether they add dumb sh*t where they tap the gun with the magazine or they just slow it down.

Don't even act like Germans are singled out with this.................. Even reloading the Garand, he's taking his sweet @ss time as if he were on a range shooting leisurely.

The Kar98 is not slower reloading than any other gun in the game, if you think so, you're just being a professional wehraboo.

[Andy]

Originally posted by Silky:

Axis or Allied, it's all the same reload time whether they add dumb sh*t where they tap the gun with the magazine or they just slow it down.

Don't even act like Germans are singled out with this.................. Even reloading the Garand, he's taking his sweet @ss time as if he were on a range shooting leisurely.

The Kar98 is not slower reloading than any other gun in the game, if you think so, you're just being a professional wehraboo.

We are referencing specifically the time it takes to work the bolt between each shot.
There is a time difference there.
The Enfield in game also maintains a sight picture which the K98 does not, so getting that second shot off is always going to be easier and quicker.
Re-loading the rifle though is longer for the enfield, but then you are loading double the amount.

[[MSU] Delta]

They slowed it for some reason.Not sure why...Could be a small advantage over the germs for their superior equipment an such. From what a i rememmber firing the yugo m48 copy I did not have to move my head when re-bolting. my .02

[Andy]

Originally posted by MSU Delta:

They slowed it for some reason.Not sure why...Could be a small advantage over the germs for their superior equipment an such. From what a i rememmber firing the yugo m48 copy I did not have to move my head when re-bolting. my .02

Look at the guys cheek position in the video and where the bolt stops.
From 3:50 is best view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3p5bZoRGn0

They've actually sped up the K98.
During beta it was significantly slower.

[Nick]

It could use a reload boost ( putting new rounds in not bolting)

[Butt Spenza]

Germany, especially the Kar98, is overall noticeably inferior the their allied counterparts. Only real advantage are their MGs.
For some reason I don't feel like Germany is losing more than the Allies, so I guess allied players just suck.

[Wabbit]

Originally posted by Butt Spenza:

Germany, especially the Kar98, is overall noticeably inferior the their allied counterparts. Only real advantage are their MGs.
For some reason I don't feel like Germany is losing more than the Allies, so I guess allied players just suck.

Ok so now you sound like you are just a German fan boy crying about having inferior weapons, Most people play the team they are on it’s got nothing to do with “allied players being bad” because everyone plays both.

[Butt Spenza]

How am I a fanboy? It's a fact that the Kar98 is a straight, very noticeable downgrade from the Enfield, not to mention the Garand.
And since it's the most common weapon among German teams the only real explanation is that German teams are better for some reason.
I mean if Germany would always be the defender I could understand that they get worse weapons (except MGs, those are actually way better for defending than the Bristish one) but when using an Kar98 as an attacker - without a sidearm - it's really hard to contribute anything, especially in CQC.

Sure, afterall teamwork, tactics and positioning are still way more important than the weapons themselves - which is a point I really like about the game - but if you just look at the weapon stats Germany is at a clear disadvantage.

The low rate of fire on the Kar98 is just an artificial, unnecessary nerf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq_rZGXosQs&feature=youtu.be

[Wabbit]

It’s got nothing to do with players who always choose to play one side or another being better or worse that was my point. Most players don’t only play one side they play them all so player quality isn’t “better” for any one faction. Stating allies players suck is just incorrect.

[Nick]

I'll take the k98 over the garand, i cant stand the garand

[Butt Spenza]

Originally posted by Bulldog:

I'll take the k98 over the garand, i cant stand the garand

Well, feel free to use the Springfield then. The Garand is just an option for the US rifleman afterall.

[Grace]

Originally posted by Rockboje:

i take a look.. the reload for K98k is completely different like the Allied Bolt action rifles. much slower and the K98k is taking the weapon down by reloading, so you have after every shoot to aim new
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haf9QURxO4E
fix thats please if i play german i want a chance vs allied Bolt action rifles

Since when does the speed of a bolt action have an effect your chance against allied bolt actions in the game? are you in a speed shooting competition? Surely your rate of fire has little to no effect on wheather you stand a chance in PS. What if you come up against someone with a semi, as long as you hit him it doesnt matter if he has a rate of fire over 9000.