When to ascend

[Sinatr]

I am at 76 prestige, didn't craft yet a single machine, my question should I ascend immediately or rather wait until a certain prestige level? Or until I build certain number of machines (have 0)?

I'll get 83 ascension crystals. By how much this amount will increase my power? I can't see ascension skills, only first skill "More Picks", which increases PPS by 20% per first level. Maybe I need to obtain 100 crystals to buy something really cool? Has anybody any info? Wiki[pickcrafter.fandom.com] is completely empty.

What will be kept in my inventory? Will mythical fragments (pars of machines) stay or only crafted machines? Will boss parts stay (e.g. 56/60 Q-PID's Heart Necklaces)?

After ascending can I prestige several times quickly and simply hunt for pickaxes from ender chests and then safely ascend another time for a full skill transcendence run (without buying a singe ender chest)?

[DRIFTER]

Since this is so new, can't answer this well as no documentation exists.

If it works like most clicker / auto increment games ascension is always in your favor for making the loop faster. Seeing the skill tree would solidify that decision... do it for science and share your findings?

Confirm what you keep by clicking ascend, the "are you sure" screen lists two columns of what will be lost and what won't

[Kraky]

Don´t ascend, it´s totally messed up

[JHG]

Originally posted by Kraky:

Don´t ascend, it´s totally messed up

do tell

[Sinatr]

I won't ascent until I am absolutely sure it's time. In some clickers/idlers the tactic to ascend quick doesn't work, there are thresholds which you must reach first, otherwise you will waste unnecessarily some time for a run (playing until ascending again), which adds nothing or much less, than the other ones

[DRIFTER]

Originally posted by Sinatr:

I won't ascent until I am absolutely sure it's time. In some clickers/idlers the tactic to ascend quick doesn't work, there are thresholds which you must reach first, otherwise you will waste unnecessarily some time for a run (playing until ascending again), which adds nothing or much less, than the other ones

I think what you mean is, ascending makes sense only if you can afford the next upgrade in the ascension tree, otherwise you wouldn't make any difference in the loop.

From the achievement's it's clear there are things like multi-furnace, they modify the way the game works so it's always in your favor to unlock more of these perks. As for the most efficient way, nobody knows.

Already I can tell the copper ingot? for crossbow is literally impossible to craft without ascension, being nearly 35 min per piece and you need hundreds of them... I also can't figure out how to purify blight world because the pickaxe power isn't fast enough before the effect decays... so likely a modifier for that exists. There are probably more examples of mutators that fundamentally change the gameplay loop in the tree.

[Caralantha]

I've ascended at prestige 47 and got 42 crystals - a good chunk of them I spent on upgrading the regions, gaining access to many more mobs and craftables (left side of tree) while right side of tree has more of the skill/ability focused stuff. I'm liking the 2nd furnace tab, and I've managed to get back to prestige 5 after about 2 days. Not sure how bad a choice it was - I guess my biggest regret was not rushing to prestige 50 faster for getting the void achieve knocked out. I don't think I was supposed to unlock furnatorio yet with only 2 furnaces, but I guess that counters the still not unlocked ascending achieve, which will likely happen next time I ascend, which requires prestige 25. If you spread the points thinly, you can unlock alot of the tree, but I have doubts that'll be optimal. With a shotgun of investment I got necklaces & hammers unlocked, and upgraded up to the ocean biome to the 2nd state. You can add permanent transcendent levels, of which I grabbed one of each, but I'm not sure it was entirely worth it at this early stage.

Hope this bit helps!

EDIT: I should add a large number of items in the tree appear to be cheap 1 point only investments, like unlocking item crafts and biome upgrades.

[Kaysoky]

Originally posted by Sinatr:

What will be kept in my inventory? Will mythical fragments (pars of machines) stay or only crafted machines? Will boss parts stay (e.g. 56/60 Q-PID's Heart Necklaces)?

Everything in the Mythical and Boss sections of the blocks tab stays put on ascension. Also, a lot of Pickaxes that drop from chests stay, while Pickaxes that come from biomes do not.

[FiveLike11]

Originally posted by Kaysoky:

Originally posted by Sinatr:

What will be kept in my inventory? Will mythical fragments (pars of machines) stay or only crafted machines? Will boss parts stay (e.g. 56/60 Q-PID's Heart Necklaces)?

Everything in the Mythical and Boss sections of the blocks tab stays put on ascension. Also, a lot of Pickaxes that drop from chests stay, while Pickaxes that come from biomes do not.

Huh. Thinking about speedrunning to ascension, do I keep nothing I crafted in biomes, either? Because if that's the case, then yeah, I have 0 reason to bother crafting stuff rn

[Kaysoky]

Yeah, in the Gear tab, everything below the Trophies section (basically all the event items) stay, but everything above is lost.

[Sinatr]

Just got Ender Chest pickaxe[pickcrafter.fandom.com] and I am curious what happens with this pickaxe. Will it give another 10 Ender Pearls and 3 chests after ascending?

Will the Ender Shop window reset after ascending and I need to buy everything again?

[Kaysoky]

The pickaxe stays in your inventory, but it also stays depleted.

In the Ender Shop, the Amulet (15 pearls) has to be re-bought, but other stuff stays. The transcensions have to be re-bought too.

[FiveLike11]

Originally posted by Kaysoky:

Yeah, in the Gear tab, everything below the Trophies section (basically all the event items) stay, but everything above is lost.

Aight. By the way, does pps or crafted items contribute in any way towards ascension points?

[Kaysoky]

It appears that PPS contributes (because the ascensions crystals are directly earned by accumulated Picks), meaning higher PPS leads to more crystals, given enough time.

Crafted items are two steps removed (increasing PPS marginally).

[Mistico]

Does anyone know how many Ascension Crystals I need to complete the entire tree? I'm thinking about focusing on this.

[Kaysoky]

Not enough time has passed for people to explore the full tree... but I'm guessing you'd need thousands of crystals at least.