No one cares about FNAF lore anymore.

[Vakkura]

Bold statement, but as someone who has been with the series for four years. I have noticed no one likes talking about the lore of this series. We ether have a long arguement other something that could be simple. Or we just can't bother to fit stuff in and declare everything new as "non-canon" not to mentiom theories basically don't exist with the exception of a few who try, that includes matpat.

I wish there was an easy fix. But with how secretive this series is... its gotten to a demoralized point where no one wants to do it anymore. And it sucks but its just true. I wish the series wasn't as criptic or confusing as it has become. Its near impossible to know the lore when people don't even wanna play with the 8000 piece puzzle.

If anyone sees this i can hope you know i care about this series. And i hope you can fix this Scott. If you read this anyway.

[Scrumbungulus (Not GS)]

I hate to say it, but I agree.

[Smithsiblings4]

it's not that nobody cares about the lore anymore, there's just not much to discuss at this point. There's not a lot that we know, but there are tons of theories out there. 75-90% of what we "know" about the lore is just headcanons/popular theories, while the other 10-25% is the little bit that Scott confirmed, and probably all that he's ever going to confirm. At this point, everyone has their own interpretation of the timeline, and any logical theory that could be made has been made. And there were also some theories that didn't make any sense, like the Dream Theory, Doctor Script's theory about the puppet, and MikeVictim/MikeBot, but we try not to talk about those very much. The point is that some of us still like theorizing, and some of us still care about the lore, but right now there's just not much to discuss regarding the lore. Unless and until Scott confirms something else, either directly, or indirectly. It's very possible that the new books could confirm a few things, but aside from that, there's just not much to discuss that hasn't already been discussed.

And if HW is canon, then it's kinda confusing. Somehow Fazbear Entertainment knows about a character who only canonically exists in some kind of hell/purgatory (Nightmarionne), Digital Consciousness transference is a thing now, (and I find it kinda annoying that everyone was so against the idea of the illusion disks being canon, but the same people have absolutely no problem with digital consciousness transference, and are perfectly fine with it being canon, despite it being a much dumber concept, and one that doesn't really belong in FNaF) and whether Malhare/Glitchtrap is an AI based off William Afton, or William Afton's soul doesn't really matter, cause if HW is canon, then we basically have the generic child killer back, making Henry's sacrifice completely pointless.

so, y'know, I kinda hate the idea of HW being canon. If we get any more canon games, they should be set far in the future, long after FFPS, and we should get a new villain with actual motives this time. And no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like digital consciousness transference that can make any of the characters completely immortal. At least Remnant was able to be destroyed with fire, whereas the whole digital consciousness transference thing has no weakness at all

The way I see it, Afton was FNaF's Dio, and FFPS was FNaF's Stardust Crusaders. The end of his story. What we need now is a new villain, and a new cast of characters. We need FNaF's Yoshikage Kira, or FNaF's Diavolo. A new villain for a new part of the story. Cause reusing the same villain over and over again, after he was supposed to be killed off for good is very disappointing from a story-telling point of view. Especially if you're literally ruining the story's perfect ending to do it.

[Vakkura]

Originally posted by smithboys5:

it's not that nobody cares about the lore anymore, there's just not much to discuss at this point. There's not a lot that we know, but there are tons of theories out there. 75-90% of what we "know" about the lore is just headcanons/popular theories, while the other 10-25% is the little bit that Scott confirmed, and probably all that he's ever going to confirm. At this point, everyone has their own interpretation of the timeline, and any logical theory that could be made has been made. And there were also some theories that didn't make any sense, like the Dream Theory, Doctor Script's theory about the puppet, and MikeVictim/MikeBot, but we try not to talk about those very much. The point is that some of us still like theorizing, and some of us still care about the lore, but right now there's just not much to discuss regarding the lore. Unless and until Scott confirms something else, either directly, or indirectly. It's very possible that the new books could confirm a few things, but aside from that, there's just not much to discuss that hasn't already been discussed.

And if HW is canon, then it's kinda confusing. Somehow Fazbear Entertainment knows about a character who only canonically exists in some kind of hell/purgatory (Nightmarionne), Digital Consciousness transference is a thing now, (and I find it kinda annoying that everyone was so against the idea of the illusion disks being canon, but the same people have absolutely no problem with digital consciousness transference, and are perfectly fine with it being canon, despite it being a much dumber concept, and one that doesn't really belong in FNaF) and whether Malhare/Glitchtrap is an AI based off William Afton, or William Afton's soul doesn't really matter, cause if HW is canon, then we basically have the generic child killer back, making Henry's sacrifice completely pointless.

so, y'know, I kinda hate the idea of HW being canon. If we get any more canon games, they should be set far in the future, long after FFPS, and we should get a new villain with actual motives this time. And no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like digital consciousness transference that can make any of the characters completely immortal. At least Remnant was able to be destroyed with fire, whereas the whole digital consciousness transference thing has no weakness at all

The way I see it, Afton was FNaF's Dio, and FFPS was FNaF's Stardust Crusaders. The end of his story. What we need now is a new villain, and a new cast of characters. We need FNaF's Yoshikage Kira, or FNaF's Diavolo. A new villain for a new part of the story. Cause reusing the same villain over and over again, after he was supposed to be killed off for good is very disappointing from a story-telling point of view. Especially if you're literally ruining the story's perfect ending to do it.

Not. Completely wrong, but in general FNAF theorys have died down. And i often see people flat out quit or assume something is non-canon.

[Smithsiblings4]

Originally posted by Dragonnare Empire:

Originally posted by smithboys5:

it's not that nobody cares about the lore anymore, there's just not much to discuss at this point. There's not a lot that we know, but there are tons of theories out there. 75-90% of what we "know" about the lore is just headcanons/popular theories, while the other 10-25% is the little bit that Scott confirmed, and probably all that he's ever going to confirm. At this point, everyone has their own interpretation of the timeline, and any logical theory that could be made has been made. And there were also some theories that didn't make any sense, like the Dream Theory, Doctor Script's theory about the puppet, and MikeVictim/MikeBot, but we try not to talk about those very much. The point is that some of us still like theorizing, and some of us still care about the lore, but right now there's just not much to discuss regarding the lore. Unless and until Scott confirms something else, either directly, or indirectly. It's very possible that the new books could confirm a few things, but aside from that, there's just not much to discuss that hasn't already been discussed.

And if HW is canon, then it's kinda confusing. Somehow Fazbear Entertainment knows about a character who only canonically exists in some kind of hell/purgatory (Nightmarionne), Digital Consciousness transference is a thing now, (and I find it kinda annoying that everyone was so against the idea of the illusion disks being canon, but the same people have absolutely no problem with digital consciousness transference, and are perfectly fine with it being canon, despite it being a much dumber concept, and one that doesn't really belong in FNaF) and whether Malhare/Glitchtrap is an AI based off William Afton, or William Afton's soul doesn't really matter, cause if HW is canon, then we basically have the generic child killer back, making Henry's sacrifice completely pointless.

so, y'know, I kinda hate the idea of HW being canon. If we get any more canon games, they should be set far in the future, long after FFPS, and we should get a new villain with actual motives this time. And no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like digital consciousness transference that can make any of the characters completely immortal. At least Remnant was able to be destroyed with fire, whereas the whole digital consciousness transference thing has no weakness at all

The way I see it, Afton was FNaF's Dio, and FFPS was FNaF's Stardust Crusaders. The end of his story. What we need now is a new villain, and a new cast of characters. We need FNaF's Yoshikage Kira, or FNaF's Diavolo. A new villain for a new part of the story. Cause reusing the same villain over and over again, after he was supposed to be killed off for good is very disappointing from a story-telling point of view. Especially if you're literally ruining the story's perfect ending to do it.

Not. Completely wrong, but in general FNAF theorys have died down. And i often see people flat out quit or assume something is non-canon.

the only person I've really seen give up on the lore is Tiger-bear, and he's not really the majority of the fandom, he's one person. People assume HW is non-canon because it has a few flaws that would make it hard to fit into the canonical timeline (like the Nightmarionne thing I mentioned), and if it's canon, then we might as well make FFPS non-canon, because it's ending is pointless now. As for why theories have died down, it's because, like I said, there's not much to discuss regarding the lore at the moment, and most logical theories that could be made have been made.

[JMaster]

Originally posted by smithboys5:

it's not that nobody cares about the lore anymore, there's just not much to discuss at this point. There's not a lot that we know, but there are tons of theories out there. 75-90% of what we "know" about the lore is just headcanons/popular theories, while the other 10-25% is the little bit that Scott confirmed, and probably all that he's ever going to confirm. At this point, everyone has their own interpretation of the timeline, and any logical theory that could be made has been made. And there were also some theories that didn't make any sense, like the Dream Theory, Doctor Script's theory about the puppet, and MikeVictim/MikeBot, but we try not to talk about those very much. The point is that some of us still like theorizing, and some of us still care about the lore, but right now there's just not much to discuss regarding the lore. Unless and until Scott confirms something else, either directly, or indirectly. It's very possible that the new books could confirm a few things, but aside from that, there's just not much to discuss that hasn't already been discussed.

And if HW is canon, then it's kinda confusing. Somehow Fazbear Entertainment knows about a character who only canonically exists in some kind of hell/purgatory (Nightmarionne), Digital Consciousness transference is a thing now, (and I find it kinda annoying that everyone was so against the idea of the illusion disks being canon, but the same people have absolutely no problem with digital consciousness transference, and are perfectly fine with it being canon, despite it being a much dumber concept, and one that doesn't really belong in FNaF) and whether Malhare/Glitchtrap is an AI based off William Afton, or William Afton's soul doesn't really matter, cause if HW is canon, then we basically have the generic child killer back, making Henry's sacrifice completely pointless.

so, y'know, I kinda hate the idea of HW being canon. If we get any more canon games, they should be set far in the future, long after FFPS, and we should get a new villain with actual motives this time. And no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like digital consciousness transference that can make any of the characters completely immortal. At least Remnant was able to be destroyed with fire, whereas the whole digital consciousness transference thing has no weakness at all

The way I see it, Afton was FNaF's Dio, and FFPS was FNaF's Stardust Crusaders. The end of his story. What we need now is a new villain, and a new cast of characters. We need FNaF's Yoshikage Kira, or FNaF's Diavolo. A new villain for a new part of the story. Cause reusing the same villain over and over again, after he was supposed to be killed off for good is very disappointing from a story-telling point of view. Especially if you're literally ruining the story's perfect ending to do it.

^^ this. so much this. there's nothing much to do until we get new information.

also: if william is Dio, does that make the funtimes the Pillar Men? (i mean pillar men as in: a group of bad guys that take center stage until we get back to the real main villain)

[Vakkura]

Originally posted by smithboys5:

Originally posted by Dragonnare Empire:

Not. Completely wrong, but in general FNAF theorys have died down. And i often see people flat out quit or assume something is non-canon.

the only person I've really seen give up on the lore is Tiger-bear, and he's not really the majority of the fandom, he's one person. People assume HW is non-canon because it has a few flaws that would make it hard to fit into the canonical timeline (like the Nightmarionne thing I mentioned), and if it's canon, then we might as well make FFPS non-canon, because it's ending is pointless now. As for why theories have died down, it's because, like I said, there's not much to discuss regarding the lore at the moment, and most logical theories that could be made have been made.

If you say so.

[Vakkura]

Originally posted by Ronin:

Originally posted by smithboys5:

it's not that nobody cares about the lore anymore, there's just not much to discuss at this point. There's not a lot that we know, but there are tons of theories out there. 75-90% of what we "know" about the lore is just headcanons/popular theories, while the other 10-25% is the little bit that Scott confirmed, and probably all that he's ever going to confirm. At this point, everyone has their own interpretation of the timeline, and any logical theory that could be made has been made. And there were also some theories that didn't make any sense, like the Dream Theory, Doctor Script's theory about the puppet, and MikeVictim/MikeBot, but we try not to talk about those very much. The point is that some of us still like theorizing, and some of us still care about the lore, but right now there's just not much to discuss regarding the lore. Unless and until Scott confirms something else, either directly, or indirectly. It's very possible that the new books could confirm a few things, but aside from that, there's just not much to discuss that hasn't already been discussed.

And if HW is canon, then it's kinda confusing. Somehow Fazbear Entertainment knows about a character who only canonically exists in some kind of hell/purgatory (Nightmarionne), Digital Consciousness transference is a thing now, (and I find it kinda annoying that everyone was so against the idea of the illusion disks being canon, but the same people have absolutely no problem with digital consciousness transference, and are perfectly fine with it being canon, despite it being a much dumber concept, and one that doesn't really belong in FNaF) and whether Malhare/Glitchtrap is an AI based off William Afton, or William Afton's soul doesn't really matter, cause if HW is canon, then we basically have the generic child killer back, making Henry's sacrifice completely pointless.

so, y'know, I kinda hate the idea of HW being canon. If we get any more canon games, they should be set far in the future, long after FFPS, and we should get a new villain with actual motives this time. And no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like digital consciousness transference that can make any of the characters completely immortal. At least Remnant was able to be destroyed with fire, whereas the whole digital consciousness transference thing has no weakness at all

The way I see it, Afton was FNaF's Dio, and FFPS was FNaF's Stardust Crusaders. The end of his story. What we need now is a new villain, and a new cast of characters. We need FNaF's Yoshikage Kira, or FNaF's Diavolo. A new villain for a new part of the story. Cause reusing the same villain over and over again, after he was supposed to be killed off for good is very disappointing from a story-telling point of view. Especially if you're literally ruining the story's perfect ending to do it.

^^ this. so much this. there's nothing much to do until we get new information.

also: if william is Dio, does that make the funtimes the Pillar Men? (i mean pillar men as in: a group of bad guys that take center stage until we get back to the real main villain)

At least you guys have faith in the fandom. But i have seen the decline, and fnaf just isn't how it was.

[GhostMami]

I personally care about the lore, I just don't bother debating it with anyone as it doesn't do anything it's pointless. Thats probably how a lot of people feel

[Vakkura]

Originally posted by GhostMami:

I personally care about the lore, I just don't bother debating it with anyone as it doesn't do anything it's pointless. Thats probably how a lot of people feel

I think thats a very good point!!

[Smithsiblings4]

Originally posted by Ronin:

Originally posted by smithboys5:

it's not that nobody cares about the lore anymore, there's just not much to discuss at this point. There's not a lot that we know, but there are tons of theories out there. 75-90% of what we "know" about the lore is just headcanons/popular theories, while the other 10-25% is the little bit that Scott confirmed, and probably all that he's ever going to confirm. At this point, everyone has their own interpretation of the timeline, and any logical theory that could be made has been made. And there were also some theories that didn't make any sense, like the Dream Theory, Doctor Script's theory about the puppet, and MikeVictim/MikeBot, but we try not to talk about those very much. The point is that some of us still like theorizing, and some of us still care about the lore, but right now there's just not much to discuss regarding the lore. Unless and until Scott confirms something else, either directly, or indirectly. It's very possible that the new books could confirm a few things, but aside from that, there's just not much to discuss that hasn't already been discussed.

And if HW is canon, then it's kinda confusing. Somehow Fazbear Entertainment knows about a character who only canonically exists in some kind of hell/purgatory (Nightmarionne), Digital Consciousness transference is a thing now, (and I find it kinda annoying that everyone was so against the idea of the illusion disks being canon, but the same people have absolutely no problem with digital consciousness transference, and are perfectly fine with it being canon, despite it being a much dumber concept, and one that doesn't really belong in FNaF) and whether Malhare/Glitchtrap is an AI based off William Afton, or William Afton's soul doesn't really matter, cause if HW is canon, then we basically have the generic child killer back, making Henry's sacrifice completely pointless.

so, y'know, I kinda hate the idea of HW being canon. If we get any more canon games, they should be set far in the future, long after FFPS, and we should get a new villain with actual motives this time. And no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like digital consciousness transference that can make any of the characters completely immortal. At least Remnant was able to be destroyed with fire, whereas the whole digital consciousness transference thing has no weakness at all

The way I see it, Afton was FNaF's Dio, and FFPS was FNaF's Stardust Crusaders. The end of his story. What we need now is a new villain, and a new cast of characters. We need FNaF's Yoshikage Kira, or FNaF's Diavolo. A new villain for a new part of the story. Cause reusing the same villain over and over again, after he was supposed to be killed off for good is very disappointing from a story-telling point of view. Especially if you're literally ruining the story's perfect ending to do it.

^^ this. so much this. there's nothing much to do until we get new information.

also: if william is Dio, does that make the funtimes the Pillar Men? (i mean pillar men as in: a group of bad guys that take center stage until we get back to the real main villain)

yeah, I guess the Funtimes would be the Pillar Men.

[Ender]

Possibly unpopular opinion about the lore

Was just lying down and contemplating some things and I thought I should make a thread about this. Here's to hoping Scott/Steel Wool don't come to my house and murder me for saying this-

Anyways, I think the lore of FNaF after the first few games hasn't been done the greatest. ♥♥♥♥ it, I'll count this as a no-judgement zone and throw out the strong adjectives, it's been really bad. There have been dozens upon dozens of rabbit-holes of lore with the new games that have been created, in unnecessarily confusing and argument-inducing tiny pieces of evidence that could each mean a million different things, because of how many other cryptic tiny pieces of evidences there are to contradict them. And Sister Location was where ♥♥♥♥ really hit the fan, with a complete new trail of storyline that had no reason to be added whatsoever, and did nothing to build off of the main plot properly.

Adding this many story elements with nothing that ties it together leads to a very confusing and watered down experience, and with so many things happening at once, it's impossible to theorize about anything because there are going to be a thousand other details 5 games ago that contradict it. And the main part that ties this plot together, William, doesn't even have a proper backstory, or much solid information at all, to be honest, hurting the rest of the lore relying on it even more. You need a story that sticks to and expands on one idea/topic, refrain from creating a bunch of cryptic rabbit holes of lore that don't synergize with the rest of the story, and maintain an interesting and well-tied together storyline in the process.

Quick little rant I had and decided to post spontaneously. Dunno if I made it seem like I'm angry about this from the tone I set (I'm not), but I had to put this out there.

[turntechGodhead]

I can agree, especially with the things pointing towards “lol William’s back”

[💜Jentrap💚]

I merged Ender's thread with this one since they're talking about the same subject.

[Ender]

Originally posted by Jentrap ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

I merged Ender's thread with this one since they're talking about the same subject.

I mean, not exactly, but alright

[💜Jentrap💚]

Originally posted by (╭☞◕ ͟ʖ◕)╭☞ Ender:

Originally posted by Jentrap ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

I merged Ender's thread with this one since they're talking about the same subject.

I mean, not exactly, but alright

From the way I saw it, they were both talking about how the lore isn't the greatest.