Pride of Nations

Pride of Nations

[AAR] Pride of Nations - MP Grand Campaing 1850 - 1920 (with unlimited number of participants)
An international team of 14 players invites you to join our multiplayer game PON, now we are making the 18th turn. All the main countries are already occupied but there are many other interesting countries

We conduct diplomatic correspondence between players in the style of the 19th century in the Slack messenger. It is very funny and informative. The language of international negotiations is English.
Here is our English-language forum for recruiting new players:
http://www.ageod-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=53435

List of countries for which there are players:

Austrian Empire - busy
Russian Empire -busy
British Empire -busy
Kingdom of Sardinia - busy
Kingdom of Prussia -busy
USA - busy
France - busy
Kingdom of Belgium - busy (2)
Ottoman Empire - busy
Spanish Empirez -busy
Kingdom of the Netherlands - busy
Kingdom of Portugal - busy (2)
Empire of Brazil - busy
Qing Empire - busy
Argentine Confederation - busy
Kingdom of Denmark - busy (2)
Egypt Eyalet - busy (2)
Republic of New Granada(Colombia) -busy (2)
Sublime State of Persia - busy (2)
Japanese Shogunate -busy



Players Required:

United Mexican States - free
Sweden - free
Greece -free
Kingdom of the Two Sicilies - free
Venezuela - free
Swiss - free
Republic of Chile - free
Kingdom of Bavaria - free
Rattanakosin Kingdom (Siam) - free
South African Republic (Transvaal) - free
Ethiopian Empire - free



* Other countries are possible at the request of the player, the above are the highest priority in terms of gameplay.

Countries marked busy (2) are managed by players as an additional, second country and can also be offered to new players.



What happens in our game:

Despite a small number of completed turns, Europe is on the verge of a Great War - Russia and Austria attacked Turkey. England, France, Prussia, Belgium and Sardinia try to prevent them and threaten to enter the war on the side of Turkey.
Difficult diplomatic negotiations continue, but at the same time, Russians and Austrians seize the Balkan territories of the Ottoman Empire, Prussia occupied Bavaria (the Austrian satellite), France concentrated its armies on the border with Austria , Britain threatens to declare war on Russia and destroy its merchant fleet .And also China declared war on Japan (?!!)

п.с : Так как половина нашей команды русскоязычная то между собой мы переписываемся по русски,так же у нас есть свой русскоязычный раздел по игре на форуме Стратегиум.
Last edited by Northern Neighbour; Nov 16, 2023 @ 11:22am
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Dray Prescot Dec 12, 2019 @ 7:49pm 
So how many turns per day (of real time) do you do, and how far have you gotten now in mid Dec 2019?
Originally posted by Dray Prescot:
So how many turns per day (of real time)
You are joking ?
If this is not irony but a question, then now we have accepted the rule to make a turn of at least 1 in weeks.We made 20 turns.Perhaps in the future, we will further reduce the allowable time for a turn.
I understand your hint that we have been playing at such a speed for several decades, but the game process is much more interesting than the result, no matter how trivial this phrase was.
We constantly conduct diplomatic correspondence, weave conspiracies against each other and create alliances - all this is much more interesting than a high-speed race.
Last edited by Northern Neighbour; Dec 13, 2019 @ 8:17am
Dray Prescot Dec 13, 2019 @ 6:57pm 
I would have thought that you would be doing at least one turn a day. 70 years * 24 turns per year = 1680 turns. divide by 365 days per year gives 4 and 2/3rd years (real time) to do a 70 year game at 1 turn per day, and that is way too long.

So what is the Game date now in mid Dec 2019?

Trying to do 1 game year per week would take 3 turns a day with a couple of extra turns on the week end, or 3 turns per day would take 8 days (slightly longer than a week). So even at that rate it will take over a year real time.

When I played PON solitaire, one game year might take me at least 6 to 8 hours of time on my computer, and that was playing Great Britain with a lot to do. My most recent game (3 or 4 years ago) got up into 1856 which is when big problems happen to GB in India.
Last edited by Dray Prescot; Dec 13, 2019 @ 7:11pm
Northern Neighbour Dec 13, 2019 @ 10:32pm 
Originally posted by Dray Prescot:
So what is the Game date now in mid Dec 2019? .
In the game we have November 1850

I am organizing mp games, playing pon alone is boring and stupid.

This is the only turn-based game that allows you to create such a large multiplayer campaign.
We are played by 14 people from all over the world, in all time zones, and the fastest game, IN PERFECT SITUATION, will be 1 turn in 2 days. This is 9 years !!! What the hell speed, you have to enjoy the game!
Last edited by Northern Neighbour; Dec 15, 2019 @ 1:39pm
Dray Prescot Jan 5, 2020 @ 5:01am 
So what is the situation with Mexico and in North, Central, and South America with the USA? I do not think that I have ever tried to play Mexico in PON, maybe in Victoria 2.

added:

I just tried starting a New game of PON in solitaire mode, so I could take a look at Mexico, and I could not even figure out how to play the game as Mexico. There was no option to play Mexico. Does it take starting a game in multi player mode to do it?

more added:

I tried starting a game of Victoria 2 as Mexico. My big problem was graphics, I recently bought a 4k HD TV and made it my Computer Monitor with 4k graphics on Steam using my NVidia GeForce 1050 Ti card with 4 GB Video RAM. I ended up with the Map for Victoria 2 taking up slighly less than 1/4 of my TV screen, the rest of the screen was of Steam.

Would I have graphics problems with PON as Mexico with a 4k Monitor and graphics card?
Last edited by Dray Prescot; Jan 5, 2020 @ 5:33am
Originally posted by Dray Prescot:
So what is the situation with Mexico and in North, Central, and South America with the USA? I do not think that I have ever tried to play Mexico in PON, maybe in Victoria 2.

Here it is described how to unlock any country for human play -
http://www.ageod-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=300&t=22738

Also there I created and added a small mod that adds up to 36 countries to the country selection screen and a script file with 36 countries unlocked - enjoy


https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/1899089/pub_5ddd7609416f067d9b431e90_5e149e303d5f6900b6bfb92c/scale_600
Last edited by Northern Neighbour; Jan 7, 2020 @ 7:24am
Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

I tried starting a game of Victoria 2 as Mexico. My big problem was graphics, I recently bought a 4k HD TV and made it my Computer Monitor with 4k graphics on Steam using my NVidia GeForce 1050 Ti card with 4 GB Video RAM. I ended up with the Map for Victoria 2 taking up slighly less than 1/4 of my TV screen, the rest of the screen was of Steam.

Would I have graphics problems with PON as Mexico with a 4k Monitor and graphics card?
I can’t know this, it depends on the settings and I think it can be solved.
Turn 24 - December 1850

We already have 15 participants!We have a player for Brazil. Also, after the disappearance of the player for Portugal, a new player also appeared there!

Russians and Austrians captured almost all of the Balkans and make their way to Istanbul.
After the disruption of the last English attempt at a truce between Russia-Austria and Turkey (which both parties didn’t really want) -In October, Britain entered into a defensive pact with France and declared war on Russia ! But Austria ( as an ally of Russia) did not respond to declare war on Britain. Over the past months, only British and Russian warships have attacked each other's merchant ships. The attack of the Russian raiders on the British merchant fleet in the trading zone of North America led to a harsh statement by the US government - America is gradually starting to get involved in the European war.!
The British Army is concentrated in Istanbul.All hope of Turkey and Britain for the early entry into the war of Prussia and France.
Dray Prescot Jan 8, 2020 @ 5:20pm 
I tried starting a new game of PON as Great Britain using my 4k monitor/TV and 4k graphics card. That seemed to work out OK. So at least that is not a problem.

So what is going on in the middle north of Europe, i.e. the German States and Prussia, as well as the far North, Sweden and Norway, etc. ? France and GB do not have any border with Russia. So it would seem that which way (if any) Prussia goes will be critical.

Sweden, could be interesting. But it would be under a lot pressure to choose a side! It would be interesting to see what it could do as an independent.

I doubt that I know any of the human players, since my multiplayer days were in play by mail games in the 1980s.

But I know almost nothing about Swedish names, history, and political figures of the time. The same regarding Mexico.

By ancestry, I am 1/4 Western German (or Dutch) (We have my great grandfather's medals from the Franco Prussian and Austrian Prussian Wars, he was born about 1842. My grandfather in 1888 in the USA, I was born in 1953 in the USA), 1/4 Alsace-Lorraine (probably German), 1/4 Scotch Irish, and 1/4 English (via Canada). So I know little about Sweden or Mexico.
Last edited by Dray Prescot; Jan 8, 2020 @ 6:00pm
Dray Prescot Jan 11, 2020 @ 6:33pm 
I am more interested in trying to develop a small country like Mexico or Sweden by peaceful economic means than I am in immediately jumping into a War with a bigger neighbor like the USA (after the American Civil War starts, it might be a possibility to chose a side, but that is another 9 plus game years away), or worse yet jumping into an European Great War and having to chose a side between Prussia and Russia as near neighbors, with an underdeveloped Sweden.

Mexico could try to keep peace with the USA while Mexico expands into Central America and/or the Gulf of Mexico and Carribean. But it could easily have problems with Spain, perhaps Portugal, and almost certainly Brazil, and the USA in those areas. It could expand its economy during the 1850s, while waiting for the chance to profit from the American Civil War. Remember, it was Texas and the slave holding South that dragged the USA into the Mexican American War of 1846-1847, and who wanted annex large parts of Mexico as additional slave holding states, besides California, and the areas that became New Mexico and Arizona. I can easily see Mexico trying to take back those territories in the American Civil War, either by direct unilateral military action or by an agreement with the North in return for help against Texas and the Confederacy.

Or for a different course of action, Mexico could try to position itself to supply the cotton sales to Great Britain and the northern USA after the American Civil War cuts off the cotton supplies from the Confederate States. That could be an interesting peaceful route to take, at least initially, in the American Civil War. If Mexico worked at it another 9 years, I bet they could build a lot of cotton production and maybe tobacco production. What if Mexico controlled Cuba at the start of the American Civil War? I am not sure about Coffee as a commodity in PON, but Mexico might be able profit a lot off of it as well, either in it's own territories and by taking parts of Central America.

A possible, although unlikely course, would be for Mexico to support the Confederacy in the American Civil War in order to keep them independent and weaken the North. The problem is the likely future friction between Mexico and a surviving Confederacy. But Mexico could threaten to support the Confederacy, if the North did not make concessions to them at the expense of Confederate territory.

The problem that an American (USA) player has in PON during the 1850s, is that most of what he(it) could try to do in taking new territories, could be lost quickly to the Confederacy when the American Civil War starts. So an American player is between a rock and a hard place during the 1850s (until the American Civil War is finished). I think than American Player would be better advised to undertake internal development, and keep all war making industries out of the soon to be Confederate States.

The USA is not really strong enough yet to meddle seriously in European affairs, and it certainly does not want to create any enemies who would want to intervene in the American Civil War to help the Confederacy when it starts. Any intervention in European affairs will always involve multiple sides and countries, and will almost be guranteed to leave an unhappy enemy(s) who might/will intervene in the American Civil War when it starts, no matter who they back in a European Great War. Turkey might trouble have retaliating against the USA, but Russia might have ways. Remember that they own Alaska and have holdings in the Pacific as well as the Atlantic, possibly even in the Indian Ocean depending on how the Great Game between Russia and England goes, in the areas near India and southern Asia, and even China. Plus of course England and France are historic rivals and may have trouble maintaining their alliance defending Turkey against the Russians. If I was the USA, I would not want to open the door to the Great War in Europe, spreading into mainland USA, either now or in the American Civil War.

How about an Mexican Russian Alliance to kick the USA/Confederacy off the West Coast (of North America)? It sounds possible to me, if the USA is weak enough or takes enough losses fighting in Europe, or is in the American Civil War.

If the USA entered the Great War, and the French British Alliance ever splits, the USA could find itself allied with one against the other, not a desirable idea with American Civil War coming.

Plus of course the potential Problems with Spain and Brazil. The USA has plenty to do internally. The problem is the Monroe Doctrine and keeping the Europeans out of the Americas (North, Central, and South).

Remember that for much of the 1830s, 1840s and 1850s the American government, i.e. the Presidency, was either Southern or inclined to support South rather than the North and the (New England) Yankees (who were disliked by large parts of country). After the death of the Whig Party, the eventual Republican party took most of the 1850s to put together an alliance/coalition of political interests that could win the Presidency (they lost in 1852 (when the Republican Party as such did not even exist yet) and 1856) over the pro Southern bias in Washington DC and the federal government. (I am not pro South or Slavery, I am just discussing actual history). (for example read "The Cousins' Wars").

I am not sure how things will work out in PON game mechanics regarding political Party control of the American government, and the actions available to a Player controlling the USA. Maybe the American Civil War can be avoided in PON, i.e. the Confederacy secceding, but on the other hand it was not impossible that the North (or New England) could have secceded instead, if they could not win the elections (it was discussed in the North in real history) (I do not know if this is possible in PON game mechanics). It was even possible for the USA to split 3 or 4 ways historically. We forget how bitterly the USA was divided into more than 2 interests during that time period. We also forgot how weak the Federal Government was and how strong the States could be, with drasticly different interests, goals, economics, and policies.
Last edited by Dray Prescot; Jan 12, 2020 @ 3:52pm
Originally posted by Dray Prescot:
I am more interested in trying to develop a small country like Mexico or Sweden by peaceful economic means than I am in immediately jumping into a War with a bigger neighbor like the USA (after the American Civil War starts, it might be a possibility to chose a side, but that is another 9 plus game years away), or worse yet jumping into an European Great War and having to chose a side between Prussia and Russia as near neighbors, with an underdeveloped Sweden.
Did you see my mod that opens 36 countries for the game?
I see that you are well versed in history, it’s interesting to read you, but I ask you in this discussion to write specifically about this game.
Dray Prescot Jan 13, 2020 @ 8:39am 
OK, so what has happened in your game in the West (North, Central, and South) America? I know you have a USA and Brazil Players.

Also what have the smaller European Powers/Players (Spain, Portugal, Belgium) been doing? Are they trying to stay out of the Great War of Russia+Austria versus Turkey and friends (UK, France, Prussia, and Sardinia/Italy)?
Belgium is one of the members of the Western European coalition.The Netherlands talk about the futility of a major war with Russia and urge everyone to make peace.Spain - sympathizes with Russia and clearly unfriendly to my Britain.Portugal - not yet decided,but I’m ready to join those who will give her more benefits.
Brazil - just entered the game in this turn. U.S. - the player is not involved in European affairs and frankly misses (often misses his turn)
A very strange situation in the Far East - a Japanese player constantly misses turns but says that he will play further. At the same time, the Chinese player has already captured half of Japan.
My royal fleet blocked all ports of Russia and forced Russian merchant ships to leave all merchant boxes.On land, there was no combat with the Russians.
Now we have put forward a new ultimatum for Russia and Austria.If they do not stop aggression against Turkey, then Britain, Prussia and Sardinia immediately declare war on Austria.
Last edited by Northern Neighbour; Jan 14, 2020 @ 8:32am
Turn 27,late February 1851
We still have 14 players.

Despite the winter months, a great war began in Europe.
Great Britain, Prussia, and Sardinia declared war on Austria. The Prussian army launched an offensive and laid siege to Vienna, the Sardinians defeated Radetsky's Austrian army and captured Lombardy.
Things went wrong with my British Royal Navy - blocking squadrons in the Gulf of Finland and the Black Sea were suddenly attacked by Russian fleets and almost destroyed, the losses amounted to almost 50 (!!!!) ships. A terrible blow for prestige of the British Navy and for me as a player, I even wanted to leave the game but changed my mind a bit.)The national morality of Britain dropped to 88 and Russia increased to more 120. The player for the Russian Empire turned out to be a very strong adversary and expert on the fleet.
China leisurely continues to capture the Japanese islands - it seems that the Japanese player will soon have nothing to control.
The new player for the Brazilian empire disappeared without starting the game, and we again had to transfer Brazil to AI control. Now we will take a stricter approach to the candidates to participate in the campaign.
Last edited by Northern Neighbour; Feb 1, 2020 @ 3:54am
Lord Raglan Feb 2, 2020 @ 8:26pm 
It's been a couple years since I played a PBEM Pride of Nations game, but if you need another player perhaps I could join in? I've never been picky on the nation I am.
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