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BlackDragon Apr 10, 2020 @ 9:44pm
It's a CHAR!
I must admit, I was a bit disappointed when I found out that this game doesn't include any units or characters from the old U.C. timeline... which meant no Char Aznable, and no elite custom units that are three times faster than the base model by virtue of their bright-red paintjob. Alas! Still, after going through most of the available timelines, I've nonetheless managed to put together what I'd consider a... solid crew. What do you think?

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きょすけ Apr 11, 2020 @ 5:52pm 
Originally posted by TouyaShiro:
It's most obvious later on during the duel between him and Setsuna, where they share consciousness in Season 2, Episode 22 or 23 IIRC. You can clearly see Graham's scar going down to his body with his Barbie Doll Anatomy in those shots, and aside from that, you can see it poke out very slightly from under his mask. If you bring up Mr. Bushido's profile in-game and change his expression, this should be easy to see as he does have a separate portrait shown with his mask off available to view there (which is taken from that exact moment I just mentioned).

Edit: Also, that same profile mentions the scar directly.

I̶ ̶a̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶r̶e̶m̶e̶m̶b̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶c̶u̶s̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶w̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶G̶r̶a̶h̶a̶m̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶a̶n̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶l̶a̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶a̶s̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶w̶h̶y̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶c̶a̶r̶,̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶G̶r̶a̶h̶a̶m̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶l̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶u̶n̶t̶i̶l̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶f̶e̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶x̶i̶a̶/̶0̶0̶.̶ ̶ ̶T̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶t̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶f̶u̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶a̶n̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶n̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶(̶t̶h̶e̶s̶e̶ ̶c̶l̶i̶c̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶t̶u̶f̶f̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶o̶m̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶r̶m̶ ̶n̶o̶w̶a̶d̶a̶y̶s̶.̶.̶.̶)̶

EDIT: Aaaand I was wrong, thanks lPaladinl for the clarification.
Last edited by きょすけ; Apr 11, 2020 @ 5:59pm
lPaladinl Apr 11, 2020 @ 5:53pm 
Originally posted by きょすけ:
Originally posted by TouyaShiro:
It's most obvious later on during the duel between him and Setsuna, where they share consciousness in Season 2, Episode 22 or 23 IIRC. You can clearly see Graham's scar going down to his body with his Barbie Doll Anatomy in those shots, and aside from that, you can see it poke out very slightly from under his mask. If you bring up Mr. Bushido's profile in-game and change his expression, this should be easy to see as he does have a separate portrait shown with his mask off available to view there (which is taken from that exact moment I just mentioned).

Edit: Also, that same profile mentions the scar directly.

I also remember a discussion between Graham and another character, with the latter one asking why he didn't want to heal the scar, with Graham replying that he couldn't do that until he defeated exia/00.

That or I'm completely getting confused with another character from another anime (these cliche stuff are becoming the norm nowadays...)

Yzak did that with his facial scar after facing Kira.
きょすけ Apr 11, 2020 @ 5:58pm 
Originally posted by lPaladinl:
Yzak did that with his facial scar after facing Kira.

Aaaaaand you are right. I knew it I was getting confused. XDDD

Thanks for the clarification. It's been ages since I saw a gundam show. (IBO doesn't count, as there wasn't such a case).
TouyaShiro Apr 12, 2020 @ 12:19am 
To be fair, Graham's is also much larger than Yzak's.
lPaladinl Apr 12, 2020 @ 12:43am 
I think the personality of either was pretty tiny, though. :lunar2019piginablanket:

I kinda liked Graham at first, but he seems to take a back seat further into the show, especially as Mr. Bushido. His motivation and development seems pretty dull and lacking to me. Obviously he's mad about being bested and he doesn't want to stop until he either defeats Setsuna or dies trying with his apparent Bushido Code. But the strings he has to pull just to stay relevant in the second season is just silly. Somehow he's hiding his identity, acting totally ridiculous for a soldier in a military organization by doing only what he wants, when he wants, and somehow still not being thrown out. Grabbing cutting edge prototype tech regardless if he was friends with an engineer working on them or not...

And all that just to rarely show up in the odd episode or two just to attack Setsuna when it's inconvenient for him, only to refuse to finish him off because he realises it was inconvenient for Setsuna.

I also think Graham is the weakest Char analog I've seen so far, if you even want to call him that. I mean he does hide his identity with a mask, is a blonde pretty boy, is an ace pilot, flies red colors and goes faster than a lot of the grunts. He's also the first non-innovade to use Trans-AM that isn't from Celestial Being.

Yzak I just found annoying and I don't know if his redemption arc worked for me.

Anyways I'll stop ranting now. :winter2019cooldog:
きょすけ Apr 12, 2020 @ 1:11am 
Originally posted by lPaladinl:
I also think Graham is the weakest Char analog I've seen so far, if you even want to call him that. I mean he does hide his identity with a mask, is a blonde pretty boy, is an ace pilot, flies red colors and goes faster than a lot of the grunts. He's also the first non-innovade to use Trans-AM that isn't from Celestial Being.

These are literally all the features from a Char's archetype, lol.

I honestly liked him, but the reason for which drove him to fight and defeat Setsuna wasn't just because he was obsessed by him: in the first season he was yes, obsessed, but after the death of his comrades in arms, he simply started to purely hate celestial beings. Putting aside the bushido code, his codename wasn't even chosen by it, by some soldiers named him that way due to his new behavior.

The movie also shows how he learnt from his mistakes, and RE:vision simply made him even more amazing.

It's still my favorite character from 00, but I'm not a fan of 00 in general.
lPaladinl Apr 12, 2020 @ 1:25am 
Originally posted by きょすけ:
Originally posted by lPaladinl:
I also think Graham is the weakest Char analog I've seen so far, if you even want to call him that. I mean he does hide his identity with a mask, is a blonde pretty boy, is an ace pilot, flies red colors and goes faster than a lot of the grunts. He's also the first non-innovade to use Trans-AM that isn't from Celestial Being.

These are literally all the features from a Char's archetype, lol.

I honestly liked him, but the reason for which drove him to fight and defeat Setsuna wasn't just because he was obsessed by him: in the first season he was yes, obsessed, but after the death of his comrades in arms, he simply started to purely hate celestial beings. Putting aside the bushido code, his codename wasn't even chosen by it, by some soldiers named him that way due to his new behavior.

The movie also shows how he learnt from his mistakes, and RE:vision simply made him even more amazing.

It's still my favorite character from 00, but I'm not a fan of 00 in general.

Well, he says multiple times that he lives for Bushido, so I question if it really was just a nickname from other pilots like he says it was. If it was, he ends up adopting the idea and living it quite literally when he fights Setsuna.

And I don't think those are all of the characteristics of Char, just the superficial ones. Char was an excellent tactician above being an ace pilot, and was constantly manipulating the battlefield and everyone on it like a chess board where he was always 3 steps ahead. Graham Aker doesn't really fill that role, he's too busy with his personal vendetta to think about tactics beyond his "One Man Army" deal.

Not to mention Char wipes out many fleets while Graham doesn't show much of his Ace Pilot background in 00 outside of being able to barely survive confrontations with Celestial Being in inferior hardware and being able to best Setsuna when he's in weakened states.

Char was a terrifying presence to have existing in the universe. Meanwhile you wouldn't even notice Graham was there for half of Season 1 and most of Season 2 except he made it his personal goal to combat Setsuna to get his time in the spotlight.

I also am not a fan of Gundam 00, but the original Lockon Stratos was probably my favorite character in the show. I feel like his brother Lyle kind of ruined the character by taking his name and looking nearly identical. His motivations were even more mixed up with his connections to the rebel forces feeling very forced just to give Celestial Being some way to connect to other factions for the larger scale battles that take place.
きょすけ Apr 12, 2020 @ 1:47am 
Originally posted by lPaladinl:
And I don't think those are all of the characteristics of Char, just the superficial ones. Char was an excellent tactician above being an ace pilot, and was constantly manipulating the battlefield and everyone on it like a chess board where he was always 3 steps ahead. Graham Aker doesn't really fill that role, he's too busy with his personal vendetta to think about tactics beyond his "One Man Army" deal.

Not to mention Char wipes out many fleets while Graham doesn't show much of his Ace Pilot background in 00 outside of being able to barely survive confrontations with Celestial Being in inferior hardware and being able to best Setsuna when he's in weakened states.

Char was a terrifying presence to have existing in the universe. Meanwhile you wouldn't even notice Graham was there for half of Season 1 and most of Season 2 except he made it his personal goal to combat Setsuna to get his time in the spotlight.

Nah, I was just joking around, and was referring mainly on the aesthetic part of every Char's reincarnation. XD

Originally posted by lPaladinl:
I also am not a fan of Gundam 00, but the original Lockon Stratos was probably my favorite character in the show. I feel like his brother Lyle kind of ruined the character by taking his name and looking nearly identical. His motivations were even more mixed up with his connections to the rebel forces feeling very forced just to give Celestial Being some way to connect to other factions for the larger scale battles that take place.

Lockon was honestly the most human and best character of the first season, imho, felt very sad due to what happened to him at the end. :(

I don't mind too much Lyle, but the recycled character design along his seiyuu kinda threw a shadow on the former, which I didn't like too much. But can't really be angry at Lyle honestly, that poor soul even lost what he cherished the most.
TouyaShiro Apr 12, 2020 @ 9:12am 
Originally posted by lPaladinl:
I kinda liked Graham at first, but he seems to take a back seat further into the show, especially as Mr. Bushido. His motivation and development seems pretty dull and lacking to me. Obviously he's mad about being bested and he doesn't want to stop until he either defeats Setsuna or dies trying with his apparent Bushido Code. But the strings he has to pull just to stay relevant in the second season is just silly. Somehow he's hiding his identity, acting totally ridiculous for a soldier in a military organization by doing only what he wants, when he wants, and somehow still not being thrown out. Grabbing cutting edge prototype tech regardless if he was friends with an engineer working on them or not...
Licensed soldiers within the A-LAWS have special permission to act independently (i.e. do whatever the heck they want as they please). He doesn't need to pull any strings, those who gave him the licence did so for him. The only other licencors that I know of in the series are the Innovators, but it's reasonable to assume certain special individuals we never saw might also have had them - the Superbia GN-X was limited to A-LAWS Licence holders, after all.

Originally posted by lPaladinl:
Char was a terrifying presence to have existing in the universe. Meanwhile you wouldn't even notice Graham was there for half of Season 1 and most of Season 2 except he made it his personal goal to combat Setsuna to get his time in the spotlight.
To be fair, Char has a much larger reputation behind him, and hey, when Celestial Being are picking a fight against the entire world, I feel like chasing them would be difficult in a sense.

Originally posted by きょすけ:
It's still my favorite character from 00, but I'm not a fan of 00 in general.
I'm just glad Yuichi Nakamura loves his role to the point where he'll regularly ham it up as all 3 versions of Graham at every opportunity he gets.
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きょすけ Apr 12, 2020 @ 9:25am 
Originally posted by TouyaShiro:
I'm just glad Yuichi Nakamura loves his role to the point where he'll regularly ham it up as all 3 versions of Graham at every opportunity he gets.

It's a great seyuu, I have appreciated almost every character he voiced on different anime.
Last edited by きょすけ; Apr 12, 2020 @ 9:25am
lPaladinl Apr 12, 2020 @ 12:53pm 
Originally posted by TouyaShiro:
Originally posted by lPaladinl:
I kinda liked Graham at first, but he seems to take a back seat further into the show, especially as Mr. Bushido. His motivation and development seems pretty dull and lacking to me. Obviously he's mad about being bested and he doesn't want to stop until he either defeats Setsuna or dies trying with his apparent Bushido Code. But the strings he has to pull just to stay relevant in the second season is just silly. Somehow he's hiding his identity, acting totally ridiculous for a soldier in a military organization by doing only what he wants, when he wants, and somehow still not being thrown out. Grabbing cutting edge prototype tech regardless if he was friends with an engineer working on them or not...
Licensed soldiers within the A-LAWS have special permission to act independently (i.e. do whatever the heck they want as they please). He doesn't need to pull any strings, those who gave him the licence did so for him. The only other licencors that I know of in the series are the Innovators, but it's reasonable to assume certain special individuals we never saw might also have had them - the Superbia GN-X was limited to A-LAWS Licence holders, after all.

I understand that's what the lore and story says, but it doesn't change how utterly ridiculous that concept is and how it wouldn't fly in a realistic setting. A "One Man Army" is a liability and more likely to put others in your military organization at risk.

On top of that the anime doesn't really have Graham earn that privilege either. He's an ace pilot and we barely get to see that because he's at best a background character for most of the show.
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TouyaShiro Apr 12, 2020 @ 1:08pm 
Originally posted by lPaladinl:
I understand that's what the lore and story says, but it doesn't change how utterly ridiculous that concept is and how it wouldn't fly in a realistic setting. A "One Man Army" is a liability and more likely to put others in your military organization at risk.

On top of that the anime doesn't really have Graham earn that privilege either. He's an ace pilot and we barely get to see that because he's at best a background character for most of the show.
Do you think it's that easy for the world to track down Celestial Being? Up until Anew Returner became a crew member for the Ptolemy 2 you basically had to lure them out if you wanted your way with them, which is exactly what Operation Gundam Capture was.

Also, when the A-LAWS and Innovators have the whole world under their grip, I'm not sure if the existence of a One Man Army is as much of a liability - or at least, that's what they think. It certainly saves CB's rear on a few occasions, but when you live in a world where a military has so much might that there's only really one faction who wants to fight against them actively prior to CB's return (with outdated mobile suits at that), and can simply use Veda to cover up evidence of their own transgressions, would the A-LAWS really need to fear too much? Would you try to fight against them to break up their formation with the (tiny) holes left by the licence holders who do as they please? (Besides, at least the Innovators who were licence holders cooperated with their strategies...)
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lPaladinl Apr 12, 2020 @ 2:23pm 
Originally posted by TouyaShiro:
Originally posted by lPaladinl:
I understand that's what the lore and story says, but it doesn't change how utterly ridiculous that concept is and how it wouldn't fly in a realistic setting. A "One Man Army" is a liability and more likely to put others in your military organization at risk.

On top of that the anime doesn't really have Graham earn that privilege either. He's an ace pilot and we barely get to see that because he's at best a background character for most of the show.
Do you think it's that easy for the world to track down Celestial Being? Up until Anew Returner became a crew member for the Ptolemy 2 you basically had to lure them out if you wanted your way with them, which is exactly what Operation Gundam Capture was.

Also, when the A-LAWS and Innovators have the whole world under their grip, I'm not sure if the existence of a One Man Army is as much of a liability - or at least, that's what they think. It certainly saves CB's rear on a few occasions, but when you live in a world where a military has so much might that there's only really one faction who wants to fight against them actively prior to CB's return (with outdated mobile suits at that), and can simply use Veda to cover up evidence of their own transgressions, would the A-LAWS really need to fear too much? Would you try to fight against them to break up their formation with the (tiny) holes left by the licence holders who do as they please? (Besides, at least the Innovators who were licence holders cooperated with their strategies...)

He's with the A-Laws and they rarely have trouble tracking them down. Especially when Celestial Being had such a habit of sticking their nose into A-Laws' business constantly. I don't know what point you're trying to argue here. Even before they made themselves an enemy of Ribbons and had Anew as a spy. (Which is another sore point for me, how they never figure out that maybe the new crew member has something to do with them constantly being found no matter where they go for so long... Even after Lockon #2 starts to be suspicious but hides it because he loves her)

As far as the One-Man-Army idea, it's ridiculous no matter how you try to cut it. It's a liability regardless of your force strength or control over global interactions. The size of their forces has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his behaviour easily puts the lives of more soldiers at risk. You would never allow that in any serious military organization unless it was a cartoonishly stupid organization that you'd only see in a poorly written tv show.
Selphea Apr 12, 2020 @ 2:30pm 
Char is a warship commander first and ace pilot second, fighting a war where his side has the technological advantage. So Char has plenty of moments to flex against ESF grunts and pursue his agenda.

Graham is an ace pilot who leads at most a squad, hunting down a terrorist organization of ~10 people. And his side is at a tremendous technological disadvantage. How's he doing to get to show off?

He gets a few moments like disarming Johann and using a few seconds of beam saber to do damage to a Gundam for the first time in the story. Not even Ali managed to damage a Gundam before he got the Throne. And when there are actual grunts like ELS his Brave did pretty well.

And he's a career soldier not a villain. In S2 he lost his way but otherwise he could practically be a main character in an alternate timeline - he literally goes full circle and pilots the Exia 😂

Graham's license I believe is from the Innovators, which implies his chain of command runs separate, so he's seconded on Kati's fleet but isn't considered part of their team or operations -- unless the Innovators want him to be. So if his choice to participate in an operation goes up to the Innovators, then back down to Kati that would make sense. Anyway nepotism in a paramilitary organization with dubious sponsors, that functions more like a secret police than a military, would be kind of expected.
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BlackDragon Apr 12, 2020 @ 5:00pm 
...I hadn't expected my themed crew of Char-clones to result in this kind of debate, I must admit. >_> Well, for what it's worth, MY criteria for 'A Char' is simply: Masked man, highly skilled, mysterious past, rival to the heroes (or, better yet, one PARTICULAR hero), riding a souped-up mech. Not that all of them fits EVERY qualifier - notably, Neo Roanoke doesn't get a proper top-class mobile suit until AFTER he's discarded his mask and become an ex-Char - but Mr. Bushido doesn't really fall outside the criteria in any particular field. Well, except the 'mysterious past' bit, since anyone without severe braindamage is going to immediately recognize Graham, and the show really doesn't try to hide who he is anyway. :P
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