The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

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Werewolf without Hircine
I'm not sure why conversations about this drop dead like a fly, but I've always wondered if there is mods out there that can let you become a sort of "true" werewolf without Daedric affiliation.

I don't mind if the Werewolf w/o Hircine is a somewhat/significant weaker version of the Daedric werewolf but I always have played as a completely good guy always doing the selfless thing, there are times I wish being a werewolf I could steal that power of Werewolf-dom to improve in my own way, and to take on certain situations I couldn't in my norm where a new form could give me the advantage I need.

Is it cause it's impossible? Or is this a Lore-unfriendly thing (At which point, I don't care. I can't keep peace at mind being a werewolf if my Character is going to that there Huntin' Grounds rather then Sovengarde.)
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Miku Sep 1, 2013 @ 3:05pm 
As far as i know, there are only mods that improve the werewolf class. You wont go to the hunting grounds anyway, you are the dragonborn and its a game :D
True but I'm a Nitpicky S.o.b. =P I wanna play as a werewolf and feel right at mind that I will go to sovengarde. Is there any mods on that? Cause I've seen videos on Dragonborn DLC that this Hermaus Daedra puts me uneasy, This is spoilers mind you but I was uneasy that even as the Dragonborn, he seems rather confident that he owns your scaly hide just from *Trying* to oppose him by killing Miraak. So I'm worried that Daedra for Werewolves *will* Own your ass, in a Roleplay lore like fashion, after you pass away from Tamriel. =P
Miku Sep 1, 2013 @ 3:19pm 
There are mods that send you to sovngarde as soon as you die ingame. cant say more about this dont use them
DerAlleinTiger Sep 1, 2013 @ 3:22pm 
Originally posted by Xemgoa Psycho Dovahbro~♥:
True but I'm a Nitpicky S.o.b. =P I wanna play as a werewolf and feel right at mind that I will go to sovengarde. Is there any mods on that? Cause I've seen videos on Dragonborn DLC that this Hermaus Daedra puts me uneasy, This is spoilers mind you but I was uneasy that even as the Dragonborn, he seems rather confident that he owns your scaly hide just from *Trying* to oppose him by killing Miraak. So I'm worried that Daedra for Werewolves *will* Own your ass, in a Roleplay lore like fashion, after you pass away from Tamriel. =P

I don't know of any mods out there that do this. Partially, I think it's from a technical aspect of it being somewhat complex to pull off. I also think it's a bit of a lore issue because lycanthropy comes from Hircine himself. Regardless of how they earned it, all werewolves share Hircine's "gift". It's like how Molag Bal created vampirism, so all vampires share in his "gift" as well.

Also, don't worry too much about Dragonborn's whole thing with Hermaeus Mora. Unless you become his "champion" in the vanilla game and get the Oghma Infinium, he doesn't really recognize you as anything too special. It ends up being more like a mutually beneficial relationship. It's not so much "NOW I OWN YOU, MORTAL!!!" as it is "Thanks for helping me out. Here's your reward. Now get out of here."
Last edited by DerAlleinTiger; Sep 1, 2013 @ 3:23pm
...R-really? So I can feel at peace in mind being a Werewolf then, but in Lore aspect that Dragonborn can't really be forced to be some champion for the Daedra, if I'm understanding right? As you said, their gifts from those Daedra so that means your instantly going to Oblivion with them just from taking it/giving it/contracting it. (Unless you can give me a deeper explanation...) Cause the way Hermaeus talks is like he does own you.

And I see... It might be unbalanced too, to be a Natural race of werewolves just born out of existence. It be difficult to define how they got into Tamriel, plus it have to be well put together and balanced.
DerAlleinTiger Sep 1, 2013 @ 3:52pm 
Originally posted by Xemgoa Psycho Dovahbro~♥:
...R-really? So I can feel at peace in mind being a Werewolf then, but in Lore aspect that Dragonborn can't really be forced to be some champion for the Daedra, if I'm understanding right? As you said, their gifts from those Daedra so that means your instantly going to Oblivion with them just from taking it/giving it/contracting it. (Unless you can give me a deeper explanation...) Cause the way Hermaeus talks is like he does own you.

And I see... It might be unbalanced too, to be a Natural race of werewolves just born out of existence. It be difficult to define how they got into Tamriel, plus it have to be well put together and balanced.

Well, it's a bit odd when you're the Dragonborn. The dragon blood is certainly a gift of Akatosh, and so you might think that he has a rather strong hold on you. Plus you're told that you'll go to Sovngarde in the end (which may sound appealing to some but not so much for Khajiit players like me. Just send me to Aetherius, thank you very much). Yet, at the same time, the daedra tend to be more powerful than the aedra when it comes to mortal affairs, so it's possible they may be able to pull you into their realm. It's really an odd setup.

I've always wondered what it would be like if your character became the "champion" of each daedric prince and then died. Would Hircine come up to your soul and be like "Hey, you belong to me now! Join the others in the endless hunt!" Then you just point to a long line of daedra and say "Get in line!"
Bwahahahaha! Now thats arse backwards xD

Well, I always thought the Aedra and Daedra were always equally powerful. But yeah the Daedra mettled more with the Mers then Aedra so they have a upperhand.

...So If I'm bond to Akatosh, yet if I recieve the gift of Werewolves (Or vampire once I get that wonderful DLC Dawnguard), I'm basically just fine. Only in retrospec, once My char dies and faces judgement, I can easily succumb, or repent and lose that gift in exchange for eternal peace?
DerAlleinTiger Sep 1, 2013 @ 4:06pm 
Originally posted by Xemgoa Psycho Dovahbro~♥:
Bwahahahaha! Now thats arse backwards xD

Well, I always thought the Aedra and Daedra were always equally powerful. But yeah the Daedra mettled more with the Mers then Aedra so they have a upperhand.

...So If I'm bond to Akatosh, yet if I recieve the gift of Werewolves (Or vampire once I get that wonderful DLC Dawnguard), I'm basically just fine. Only in retrospec, once My char dies and faces judgement, I can easily succumb, or repent and lose that gift in exchange for eternal peace?

*shrugs* Who knows? I don't think we've ever really been given a substantial look into how the afterlife works in the Elder Scrolls.
So its up to interpretation? Cause I'll immediately go for "Stealing Hircine's gift and going to Sovengarde anyway" by default~
Modi Sep 1, 2013 @ 5:28pm 
Originally posted by KL*KNoSC DerAlleinTiger:
Originally posted by Xemgoa Psycho Dovahbro~♥:
Bwahahahaha! Now thats arse backwards xD

Well, I always thought the Aedra and Daedra were always equally powerful. But yeah the Daedra mettled more with the Mers then Aedra so they have a upperhand.

...So If I'm bond to Akatosh, yet if I recieve the gift of Werewolves (Or vampire once I get that wonderful DLC Dawnguard), I'm basically just fine. Only in retrospec, once My char dies and faces judgement, I can easily succumb, or repent and lose that gift in exchange for eternal peace?

*shrugs* Who knows? I don't think we've ever really been given a substantial look into how the afterlife works in the Elder Scrolls.

Actually there's plenty of lore about the afterlife and aedra and daedra, i just read a bunch of it on the wikis last night, the daedra are somewhat more powerful than the aedra because the aedra sacrificed a good portion of their power to create the world, and in doing so weakened themselves dso they couldn't interact directly like the daedra do. The thing to remember is few of the daedra are truly evil, they're more like a force of nature like an earthquake, it's not shaking the ground to hurt you, it just happens.......though in the case of the deadra sometimes they ARE lol. From what I've seen and read of hircine he doesn't much care what you do, all he cares about is the hunt, the chase, etc, anything else is just irrelevant to him, so you could just plan on curing yourself when you get only enough that you think it's time. either way there are no werewolves who aren't associated with hircine, he might give you a task from time to time but you could refuse to do it(not in skyrim but in previous games he's done that)
True... I'll just stick with "Stealing the gift"
DerAlleinTiger Sep 1, 2013 @ 5:38pm 
Originally posted by Modi:
Originally posted by KL*KNoSC DerAlleinTiger:

*shrugs* Who knows? I don't think we've ever really been given a substantial look into how the afterlife works in the Elder Scrolls.

Actually there's plenty of lore about the afterlife and aedra and daedra, i just read a bunch of it on the wikis last night, the daedra are somewhat more powerful than the aedra because the aedra sacrificed a good portion of their power to create the world, and in doing so weakened themselves dso they couldn't interact directly like the daedra do. The thing to remember is few of the daedra are truly evil, they're more like a force of nature like an earthquake, it's not shaking the ground to hurt you, it just happens.......though in the case of the deadra sometimes they ARE lol. From what I've seen and read of hircine he doesn't much care what you do, all he cares about is the hunt, the chase, etc, anything else is just irrelevant to him, so you could just plan on curing yourself when you get only enough that you think it's time. either way there are no werewolves who aren't associated with hircine, he might give you a task from time to time but you could refuse to do it(not in skyrim but in previous games he's done that)

Yes, they've had a lot of lore put into the afterlife in the Elder Scrolls, but I don't think we've learned enough to form any sort of hierarchy as to where a person ends up, especially when they're so wordly as your characters. I mean, you could have a character associated with a dozen different daedric princes who all claim ownership over your soul while, at the same time, Akatosh has a strong hold on you and the heroes of Sovngarde still claim that you're welcome there. It could be assumed that you'd go with a daedric prince since they're more powerful than the aedra... in Mundus. But what happens when you cross into the next life? Are you up for grabs in a free-for-all? Do you have a say in it? (probably not) What if two different daedra claim you? I don't think there's been enough lore or established canon to create a proper afterlife hierarchy.

Just send my Khajiit to Aetherius and be done with it. I hate the daedra (minus Azura and Meridia since they're more on the friendly side) and I don't want to be in Sovngarde will all the damn Nords. And what's the deal with spouses? I mean, if I were to go to Sovngarde, would I be able to bring my wife along with me? She may not be Dragonborn, but she went through the whole main questline with me. What if the Nords don't accept her in with me? No, no, no... I'd much rather sit in Aetherius with my Khajiit wife than be with a bunch of burly Nord men in Sovngarde, no matter how epic the music is there. I think I even saw a glimpse of armpit hair on the warmaidens while I was there. *gags*
Originally posted by camwigger:
I should say now that I havent read the massive wall of text formed by the comments and only the main topic so if you found a way you are happy with then just ignore this.

Well if your willing to make up your own back story and do it no questions asked theres this mod...
Moonlight Tales - Werewolf and Werebear Overhaul
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/35470/?
You can just use the Debug menu for quick beast blood. Plus because from what I read you look like a major role player so you can use this right away (like straight off the bat as a new person) and pretend you had a spell cast on you by a mage and that it was ment to make you turn into a wolf perminantly but because he only finished half fo the spell it turned you into a werewolf with no connection to the daedric lords... or something like that...

... I think I love you =)

And well I haven't ignored, I just wanted to take it that way.
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Date Posted: Sep 1, 2013 @ 3:03pm
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