So why is Dwemer weapons and armor so low level?

[Mofuji]

For things made of a metal alloy that even in the Fourth Era, thousands of years after their vanishing, no race has yet managed to replicate, Dwemer gear is surprisingly easy to make and, without tempering, rather weak.

But why is that? Why are scaled armors more complex, and take more skill, to make than working with a metal that nobody else has been able to make since the First Era?

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[Clocky]

引用自 Sesh：

I got the impression from Morrowind that the Dwemer were actually better at making ebony and glass than anyone else, from all the pieces of them in thier ruins. I also got the impression that basic dwemer armor was meant for thier soldiers, and was some kind of special iron or steel. That is the only explanation that I could think of that accounted for its relative abundance (in Morrowind compared to ebony, glass, or daedric). In Morrowind dwemer is about the best heavy armor most people will find anywhere, until they find one of those few who wear ebony.

The "dwemer armor" in Morrowind were just pieces of automatons that could coincidentally be used as armor by non-dwemer.

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引用自 Clockwork Knight：

引用自 Sesh：

I got the impression from Morrowind that the Dwemer were actually better at making ebony and glass than anyone else, from all the pieces of them in thier ruins. I also got the impression that basic dwemer armor was meant for thier soldiers, and was some kind of special iron or steel. That is the only explanation that I could think of that accounted for its relative abundance (in Morrowind compared to ebony, glass, or daedric). In Morrowind dwemer is about the best heavy armor most people will find anywhere, until they find one of those few who wear ebony.

The "dwemer armor" in Morrowind were just pieces of automatons that could coincidentally be used as armor by non-dwemer.

That is up for debate in Morrowind itself, some sources agree with you others do not.

[Tarub]

"A race of stonecutters, artisans, and engineers. They invented machines and built elaborate underground cities where they researched powers to rival the gods themselves. And then, at a time we are still not sure when, they disappeared. The whole people, all at once. Leaving behind only their works."
―Calcelmo.

The metal is not wat made them great, it was how they used it.
The standard armor and weapons was simple because that was enough for them.

If a modern army went against one from the middle ages the soldiers would get standard armor and not the best ones that can be made.
1: Standard is cheap and easy to make(goes for all times).
2: We have tanks(the dwemer had automatons).

[Brandybuck]

Sure Dwemer is easy to make, it's the ALLOY that is so difficult you can't make it. You have to grab scrap dwemer metal and melt it down.

[Brandybuck]

Regarding Morrowind leveling, it is there. I don't think the loot is leveled, but some foes most certaily are. Most places that have daedra will have leveled daedra. I'm currently playing the game, and I can see it. The wiki confirms it. Hit a daedric shrine at low level and you'll see scamps and clannfear, hit it at later levels and you'll see dremora and winged twilights.

[pedantic_roc]

I propose that the Dwemer left this plane wearing Aetherium Armor, and left the junk behind - just to add some spice of course. :-)

[terry.kristopher]

so heres my theory for why dwarven armor is so weak and ive seen a few people almost complete this idea
but basically I think that like some people have said
the armor that is authentic, hand worked by real dwemer, dwarven stuff is all insanely old so it has started to degrade
meaning the stuff you find in the dwarven ruins is considerably degraded
further
in the literature it says not only could no other race create the alloy necessary for authentic armor but that no other race (barring a legendary blacksmith i may not know about or something) could work it properly
ntm it is my understanding that melting down metal repeatedly to recast it weakens it dramatically
so that armor set made of smelted dwemer struts is not going to be as tough as the alloy the first time it is made
so all dwarven armor is a new cheap facsimile or an old ratted out artifect
which explains quite handily why the supposedly impossible to breach armor is lower midtier



for further proof that the dwemer cities arent holding up perfectly
notice that the automatons (that arent already broken) all jet steam out of every coupling and valve instead of a singular exhaust port
no race of brilliant engineers would do that
meaning the stuff has since broken down

[The Holy Chicken Overlord]

引用自 terry.kristopher：

so heres my theory for why dwarven armor is so weak and ive seen a few people almost complete this idea
but basically I think that like some people have said
the armor that is authentic, hand worked by real dwemer, dwarven stuff is all insanely old so it has started to degrade
meaning the stuff you find in the dwarven ruins is considerably degraded
further
in the literature it says not only could no other race create the alloy necessary for authentic armor but that no other race (barring a legendary blacksmith i may not know about or something) could work it properly
ntm it is my understanding that melting down metal repeatedly to recast it weakens it dramatically
so that armor set made of smelted dwemer struts is not going to be as tough as the alloy the first time it is made
so all dwarven armor is a new cheap facsimile or an old ratted out artifect
which explains quite handily why the supposedly impossible to breach armor is lower midtier



for further proof that the dwemer cities arent holding up perfectly
notice that the automatons (that arent already broken) all jet steam out of every coupling and valve instead of a singular exhaust port
no race of brilliant engineers would do that
meaning the stuff has since broken down

引用自 tarub4king：

"A race of stonecutters, artisans, and engineers. They invented machines and built elaborate underground cities where they researched powers to rival the gods themselves. And then, at a time we are still not sure when, they disappeared. The whole people, all at once. Leaving behind only their works."
―Calcelmo.

The metal is not wat made them great, it was how they used it.
The standard armor and weapons was simple because that was enough for them.

If a modern army went against one from the middle ages the soldiers would get standard armor and not the best ones that can be made.
1: Standard is cheap and easy to make(goes for all times).
2: We have tanks(the dwemer had automatons).

I don't remember the Dwemer being such good necromancers.

[VanDerBeek21]

Also it's kind of a balancing issue. since Dwemer armor can actually be obtained as soon as you can leave the tutorial cave there is a bit of a problem.

[Gamrx1]

a thousand years ago you didnt need super strength armor. they made armor for what they needed which wasnt as strong as you need in the 4th era.

ALSO i like to think it simulates decay and the secret to making it stronger has been lost to time so you know how to make the basic structure and you can reinforce it with more dwarven metal. OR maybe the dwarves made crappy armor and reinforced it over time so it was more powerful...guess the world may never know

[SpeedFreak1972]

indeed why the heck would you make high grade armors and such if you have centurions, and other automatons to do the fighting for you?

[Hare+Guu!]

They may have been good during their time, but isn't now. The only thing that they've been unsurpassed at is their automatons. But considering they're powered by soul gems, it would just be a matter of lifting the ban on black soul gem experimentation to get to their level.