The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

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Franz Liszt 2 ENE 2015 a las 3:32
Hero of Kvatch from Oblivion is Sheogorath in Skyrim!? REALLY!?
I just found out that the Sheogorath (Deadric Prince of Madness) in the Elder Scrolls V Skyrim is the Hero of Kvatch from the Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion! I dont think thats true! Is it? Because in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion im a good guy! Now I found out im Sheogorath in the future! I just cant belive it I need some proof!
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Ceejay 10 ENE 2015 a las 16:27 
Publicado originalmente por GamingPirate2.0:

Im playing it on PC and mine is super fast soo..Dont judge people about what machine they are using to run the game! LOL And im using high quality (im gonna try ultra hight quality to see the performance)

I think there is a slight communication problem here. I never said you were not playing on a pc or your computer was slow, I was simply stating the person who recorded the video that I linked too, seemed to be running a computer that was not fast enough, as the fps was really low on the vid. :)
Avery 10 ENE 2015 a las 17:51 
Publicado originalmente por GamingPirate2.0:
I just found out that the Sheogorath (Deadric Prince of Madness) in the Elder Scrolls V Skyrim is the Hero of Kvatch from the Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion! I dont think thats true! Is it? Because in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion im a good guy! Now I found out im Sheogorath in the future! I just cant belive it I need some proof!

That is a speculation but generally accepted one at that. If your hero of Kvatch became Sheograth then he is. If your hero of Kvatch DID NOT become Sheograth then he isn't. Regardless if he was good or not, madness corrupted someone and their the new Sheograth.
BelphegorATS 10 ENE 2015 a las 19:16 
I think Sheogorath looks the same as in the Shivering Isles DLC because the player character is an entity constructed by the player to fit whatever molding he/she sees fit. For example, creating a female Argonian or a male Redguard. In other words, Sheogorath in Skyrim needs to look like a specific figure established by the lore, not the player. While some of his servants may appear to be different, the fact is that Sheogorath is Sheogorath. His identity is set firmly in stone due to the fact that he is a notable Daedric Prince, while the player character is abstract based on the decisions people made to create their characters who are all vastly different.
فاطمة 10 ENE 2015 a las 19:32 
This has to be one of the more interesting threads i've read in a long time, I always enjoyed Sheagorath more than the other deadra cause as stated before, he's insane but he normally does the right thing in the end plus he's fun as hell and whether you realise it or not he always helps make the main character (you) more powerful or wiser in some way. (most likely because it causes chaos against the other deadric lords as well as prominent figures in which ever era your in and sheagorath loves creating havoc).
markdb92 10 ENE 2015 a las 20:21 
question if you become sheogorath before going to his shrine then who give you his quest. Do you give your self the quest?
76561198164064547 10 ENE 2015 a las 21:16 
Publicado originalmente por GamingPirate2.0:
I just found out that the Sheogorath (Deadric Prince of Madness) in the Elder Scrolls V Skyrim is the Hero of Kvatch from the Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion! I dont think thats true! Is it? Because in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion im a good guy! Now I found out im Sheogorath in the future! I just cant belive it I need some proof!

Seeing as though Sheogorath A) looks and sounds the same as he did when you met him in the Shivering Isles B) is a Daedric Lord and C) is in the mind of Pelagius the Mad while he still lives, it is reasonable to suggest that the quest in Skyrim transports you to the past where Pelagius the mad was still alive. Therefore it would not be the Hero of Kvatch but the former Mad God. Who is to say a Daedric Lord couldn't exist in any point in time even after it's replacement/destruction? Are they bound by time?
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Bomb Bloke 10 ENE 2015 a las 23:52 
Publicado originalmente por Queen of the Jungle:
I always enjoyed Sheagorath more than the other deadra cause as stated before, he's insane but he normally does the right thing in the end

Or rather, he doesn't kill or cripple you (unless you go out of your way to provoke him), because Bethesda knew players wouldn't stand for it. By that standard, every character in the game "normally does the right thing". Have another think about what he does to intruders in his realm, and the quests he sends you on to get his "security measures" going.

Besides the player character, anyone is as likely to be killed/tortured/turned into a spork/given superpowers as anything else - Sheogorath isn't evil, as such, but nor is he good. Morality just doesn't matter to him. He seems to have a vague idea that people don't much like their intestines being ripped out, and that they can be more useful to him if he holds off on that, but that seems to be about as far as his sense of "compassion" goes.

Publicado originalmente por markdb92:
question if you become sheogorath before going to his shrine then who give you his quest. Do you give your self the quest?

Haskill "answers the phone", so to speak, wonders why you're praying to yourself, then decides that's entirely in character for you.

Turns out the old Sheogorath left him some notes in regards to the quest itself.
Cat 11 ENE 2015 a las 6:36 
Publicado originalmente por Bomb Bloke:
Haskill "answers the phone", so to speak, wonders why you're praying to yourself, then decides that's entirely in character for you.
And that's why we all love the prince of madness :3
BelphegorATS 11 ENE 2015 a las 9:05 
Publicado originalmente por b_statham:
Seeing as though Sheogorath A) looks and sounds the same as he did when you met him in the Shivering Isles B) is a Daedric Lord and C) is in the mind of Pelagius the Mad while he still lives, it is reasonable to suggest that the quest in Skyrim transports you to the past where Pelagius the mad was still alive. Therefore it would not be the Hero of Kvatch but the former Mad God. Who is to say a Daedric Lord couldn't exist in any point in time even after it's replacement/destruction? Are they bound by time?

Not exactly. As Sheogorath himself says when you meet him in Skyrim, the player character has entered the mind of a dead emperor where you experience the anguish Pelagius experienced in a manner of speaking as you merely correct the aspects encountered in his mind. If you traveled to the past, you would be able to interact with other individuals of Pelagius' time and altering the future would most likely pose a risk by becoming involved in past events.

If anything, I think Sheogorath's quest in Skyrim was based on the assumption that the Shivering Isles DLC was not played through by the player, or at the very least completed. It's also possible that it was based on an assumption that the Shivering Isles DLC did not exist, at least in the lore. Regardless of whichever scenario is the actual assumption, it can help cement the identity of the Daedric Lord, Sheogorath in stone, something I mentioned in my previous post.
Bomb Bloke 11 ENE 2015 a las 13:41 
Publicado originalmente por BelphegorATS:
If anything, I think Sheogorath's quest in Skyrim was based on the assumption that the Shivering Isles DLC was not played through by the player, or at the very least completed. It's also possible that it was based on an assumption that the Shivering Isles DLC did not exist, at least in the lore.

Beats me what makes you think that. In Skyrim, he specifically mentions being tied up in the whole affair.

Publicado originalmente por "Skyrim's Sheogorath":
You are far too hard on yourself, my dear, sweet, homicidally insane Pelagius. What would the people do without you? Dance? Sing? Smile? Grow old? You are the best Septim that's ever ruled. Well, except for that Martin fellow, but he turned into a dragon god, and that's hardly sporting... You know, I was there for that whole sordid affair. Marvelous time! Butterflies, blood, a Fox, a severed head... Oh, and the cheese! To die for.

Now what did the old Sheogorath have to do with Martin? Absolutely nothing. That line's there specifically to suggest to players that they've met up with the Champion of Cyrodiil.
BelphegorATS 11 ENE 2015 a las 15:32 
Publicado originalmente por Bomb Bloke:
Beats me what makes you think that. In Skyrim, he specifically mentions being tied up in the whole affair.

Publicado originalmente por Bomb Bloke:
Now what did the old Sheogorath have to do with Martin? Absolutely nothing. That line's there specifically to suggest to players that they've met up with the Champion of Cyrodiil.

That is a possibility, though I doubt it because of Sheogorath's appearance in Skyrim. He looks exactly the same as in the Shivering Isles DLC. I think that reference he makes to Martin along with the main quest of Oblivion seems to indicate that the Champion of Cyrodiil may have done his quest sometime during the main quest. That could explain his role in the Oblivion Crisis. It's a relatively weak role at that, considering how Sheogorath was not a direct party to the affair. It could be that he was merely observing it from the sidelines sort of as a spectator.

Edit: He does mention his presence, but doesn't elaborate on it so it's unclear what his role was in the Oblivion Crisis from a lore standpoint. It is possible the Champion of Cyrodiil did go to the Shivering Isles, but did not complete the main quest there. It is also possible that Sheogorath is simply a minor party to the Oblivion Crisis since the Champion of Cyrodiil did his regular quest.
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Valden21 11 ENE 2015 a las 20:33 
I agree with Night Cat.. At the end of the Shivering Isles questline, Jyggalag is basically telling the PC "I'm going back to being myself permanently, so this place now belongs to you". Besides, listen to the way Haskill addresses you at the end of that questline. He refers to you in the exact same terms he uses when addressing Sheogorath; there's no implication of regency.
BelphegorATS 12 ENE 2015 a las 6:22 
Publicado originalmente por Valden21:
I agree with Night Cat.. At the end of the Shivering Isles questline, Jyggalag is basically telling the PC "I'm going back to being myself permanently, so this place now belongs to you". Besides, listen to the way Haskill addresses you at the end of that questline. He refers to you in the exact same terms he uses when addressing Sheogorath; there's no implication of regency.

He gives dominion over the Shivering Isles to the player, but who's he referring to in the first bit? Sheogorath, or Jyggalag? If it's the former, that would mean Sheogorath would be taking what is given to you back as soon as possible if not right away--meaning that the player character is just a temporary regent, which could also be plausible as to why Sheogorath looks exactly the same in Skyrim. If the latter, it means Jyggalag has finally been freed from the curse placed upon him by the other Daedric Lords so that he can reclaim his place among them. This second one is not true in my opinion because there would have to be shrines and a Daedric religion for him, which we do not know of since it's not stated in the lore. All we know is that he now wanders the voids of Oblivion following his release when the Champion of Cyrodiil defeated him.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Jyggalag

A good inquiry to make would be if Sheogorath and Jyggalag became two separate beings after the Champion of Cyrodiil secured victory for Sheogorath's forces in the Shivering Isles. This can be a plausible theory that can go with the regency theory in that the Champion of Cyrodiil, while having become a Daedric Lord, would still somehow be a mortal entity as a sort of demigod.

However, you are correct that Haskill will refer to the Champion of Cyrodiil as Sheogorath since the player has completed the Shivering Isles DLC. Still, that in of itself does not really determine whether the Champion of Cyrodiil is Sheogorath in Skyrim. Like I said in a few posts above, his appearance is exactly the same as in the Shivering Isles.

Yet one possible theory that could still paint the Champion of Cyrodiil/Hero of Kvatch as him is a plausible idea that he/she morphed his/her features into looking exactly like Sheogorath. I'd say "he" to be more specific, but this is the Daedric Prince of Madness we're talking about, so there's a possiblity that the Champion of Cyrodiil was a female who became a male Sheogorath.
Cat 12 ENE 2015 a las 6:44 
Yeah canon on mantling seems to suggest the mortal will become more and more like the daedra. Though it doesn't matter really if the Sheogorath is our Cyrodiil protagonist because essentialy he isn't anymore in body or mind. It's just an interesting fact for what might have happened with the TES4 character after we stopped playing Oblivion.
BelphegorATS 12 ENE 2015 a las 11:40 
Publicado originalmente por Night Cat:
Yeah canon on mantling seems to suggest the mortal will become more and more like the daedra. Though it doesn't matter really if the Sheogorath is our Cyrodiil protagonist because essentialy he isn't anymore in body or mind. It's just an interesting fact for what might have happened with the TES4 character after we stopped playing Oblivion.

Sorry, but I disagree because I think it does matter. The reason being is his appearance; as I've been saying Sheogorath looks exactly the same as in Shivering Isles. Maybe Sheogorath is the Hero of Kvatch/Champion of Cyrodiil who just so happened to morph into the appearance of Sheogorath. Maybe the old Sheogorath somehow came back with no explanation--which isn't needed considering how he is the Daedric Prince of Madness. Maybe the Shivering Isles quests were started, but not completed. Maybe the Shivering Isles was never started seeing as how the Champion of Cyrodiil/Hero of Kvatch didn't go there. Maybe it's one or more of these aspects. It could also be that it's none of them. In any case, it's all merely speculation, really. Then again, you may be right that it probably doesn't matter; it's Sheogorath we're talking about here.
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