Instalar Steam
iniciar sesión
|
idioma
简体中文 (chino simplificado)
繁體中文 (chino tradicional)
日本語 (japonés)
한국어 (coreano)
ไทย (tailandés)
Български (búlgaro)
Čeština (checo)
Dansk (danés)
Deutsch (alemán)
English (inglés)
Español de Hispanoamérica
Ελληνικά (griego)
Français (francés)
Italiano
Bahasa Indonesia (indonesio)
Magyar (húngaro)
Nederlands (holandés)
Norsk (noruego)
Polski (polaco)
Português (Portugués de Portugal)
Português-Brasil (portugués de Brasil)
Română (rumano)
Русский (ruso)
Suomi (finés)
Svenska (sueco)
Türkçe (turco)
Tiếng Việt (vietnamita)
Українська (ucraniano)
Comunicar un error de traducción
I think there is a slight communication problem here. I never said you were not playing on a pc or your computer was slow, I was simply stating the person who recorded the video that I linked too, seemed to be running a computer that was not fast enough, as the fps was really low on the vid. :)
That is a speculation but generally accepted one at that. If your hero of Kvatch became Sheograth then he is. If your hero of Kvatch DID NOT become Sheograth then he isn't. Regardless if he was good or not, madness corrupted someone and their the new Sheograth.
Seeing as though Sheogorath A) looks and sounds the same as he did when you met him in the Shivering Isles B) is a Daedric Lord and C) is in the mind of Pelagius the Mad while he still lives, it is reasonable to suggest that the quest in Skyrim transports you to the past where Pelagius the mad was still alive. Therefore it would not be the Hero of Kvatch but the former Mad God. Who is to say a Daedric Lord couldn't exist in any point in time even after it's replacement/destruction? Are they bound by time?
Or rather, he doesn't kill or cripple you (unless you go out of your way to provoke him), because Bethesda knew players wouldn't stand for it. By that standard, every character in the game "normally does the right thing". Have another think about what he does to intruders in his realm, and the quests he sends you on to get his "security measures" going.
Besides the player character, anyone is as likely to be killed/tortured/turned into a spork/given superpowers as anything else - Sheogorath isn't evil, as such, but nor is he good. Morality just doesn't matter to him. He seems to have a vague idea that people don't much like their intestines being ripped out, and that they can be more useful to him if he holds off on that, but that seems to be about as far as his sense of "compassion" goes.
Haskill "answers the phone", so to speak, wonders why you're praying to yourself, then decides that's entirely in character for you.
Turns out the old Sheogorath left him some notes in regards to the quest itself.
Not exactly. As Sheogorath himself says when you meet him in Skyrim, the player character has entered the mind of a dead emperor where you experience the anguish Pelagius experienced in a manner of speaking as you merely correct the aspects encountered in his mind. If you traveled to the past, you would be able to interact with other individuals of Pelagius' time and altering the future would most likely pose a risk by becoming involved in past events.
If anything, I think Sheogorath's quest in Skyrim was based on the assumption that the Shivering Isles DLC was not played through by the player, or at the very least completed. It's also possible that it was based on an assumption that the Shivering Isles DLC did not exist, at least in the lore. Regardless of whichever scenario is the actual assumption, it can help cement the identity of the Daedric Lord, Sheogorath in stone, something I mentioned in my previous post.
Beats me what makes you think that. In Skyrim, he specifically mentions being tied up in the whole affair.
Now what did the old Sheogorath have to do with Martin? Absolutely nothing. That line's there specifically to suggest to players that they've met up with the Champion of Cyrodiil.
That is a possibility, though I doubt it because of Sheogorath's appearance in Skyrim. He looks exactly the same as in the Shivering Isles DLC. I think that reference he makes to Martin along with the main quest of Oblivion seems to indicate that the Champion of Cyrodiil may have done his quest sometime during the main quest. That could explain his role in the Oblivion Crisis. It's a relatively weak role at that, considering how Sheogorath was not a direct party to the affair. It could be that he was merely observing it from the sidelines sort of as a spectator.
Edit: He does mention his presence, but doesn't elaborate on it so it's unclear what his role was in the Oblivion Crisis from a lore standpoint. It is possible the Champion of Cyrodiil did go to the Shivering Isles, but did not complete the main quest there. It is also possible that Sheogorath is simply a minor party to the Oblivion Crisis since the Champion of Cyrodiil did his regular quest.
He gives dominion over the Shivering Isles to the player, but who's he referring to in the first bit? Sheogorath, or Jyggalag? If it's the former, that would mean Sheogorath would be taking what is given to you back as soon as possible if not right away--meaning that the player character is just a temporary regent, which could also be plausible as to why Sheogorath looks exactly the same in Skyrim. If the latter, it means Jyggalag has finally been freed from the curse placed upon him by the other Daedric Lords so that he can reclaim his place among them. This second one is not true in my opinion because there would have to be shrines and a Daedric religion for him, which we do not know of since it's not stated in the lore. All we know is that he now wanders the voids of Oblivion following his release when the Champion of Cyrodiil defeated him.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Jyggalag
A good inquiry to make would be if Sheogorath and Jyggalag became two separate beings after the Champion of Cyrodiil secured victory for Sheogorath's forces in the Shivering Isles. This can be a plausible theory that can go with the regency theory in that the Champion of Cyrodiil, while having become a Daedric Lord, would still somehow be a mortal entity as a sort of demigod.
However, you are correct that Haskill will refer to the Champion of Cyrodiil as Sheogorath since the player has completed the Shivering Isles DLC. Still, that in of itself does not really determine whether the Champion of Cyrodiil is Sheogorath in Skyrim. Like I said in a few posts above, his appearance is exactly the same as in the Shivering Isles.
Yet one possible theory that could still paint the Champion of Cyrodiil/Hero of Kvatch as him is a plausible idea that he/she morphed his/her features into looking exactly like Sheogorath. I'd say "he" to be more specific, but this is the Daedric Prince of Madness we're talking about, so there's a possiblity that the Champion of Cyrodiil was a female who became a male Sheogorath.
Sorry, but I disagree because I think it does matter. The reason being is his appearance; as I've been saying Sheogorath looks exactly the same as in Shivering Isles. Maybe Sheogorath is the Hero of Kvatch/Champion of Cyrodiil who just so happened to morph into the appearance of Sheogorath. Maybe the old Sheogorath somehow came back with no explanation--which isn't needed considering how he is the Daedric Prince of Madness. Maybe the Shivering Isles quests were started, but not completed. Maybe the Shivering Isles was never started seeing as how the Champion of Cyrodiil/Hero of Kvatch didn't go there. Maybe it's one or more of these aspects. It could also be that it's none of them. In any case, it's all merely speculation, really. Then again, you may be right that it probably doesn't matter; it's Sheogorath we're talking about here.