Shout Cooldown Renders Most Shouts Useless

[Metrod125]

(This thread is what I had intended in my last thread, but it was half-thought out of a horse's ♥♥♥)

Now then, as we all know, Dragon Shouts are bound to a thing called a Shout Cooldown.

The cooldown, however, renders many of these shouts useless until you wait it off or use other means of attack.

Example: Fire Breath is WAY more powerful than Incinerate, but due to its cooldown, it cant replace Incinerate as a offensive spell because spells casted by mages have no cooldown at all.

The only way to reduce the cooldown in vanilla Skyrim is to wear an amulet of talos, having the blessing of talos, and having Dragon Aspect active - which all gives a 60% total bonus to reduce shout cooldowns. This, however, isn't enough, as spells still win out. The only way shouts can actually be MORE powerful than puny spells is by having NO cooldown at all.

Secondly, there are many things in the lore that says that Tongues have been able to "sing" Shor's ghost onto the battlefield - Well where is the shout that lets me do this hmmm? Oh wait, thats right, the almighty Dovahkiin isn't ALLOWED to know such things!

Overall, a good idea, but poorly executed.

[Gustavo Eats His Own Chicken?]

I believe there is a mod out there to make shouting unlimited. With no cooldown.

[Metrod125]

Originally posted by Devil bringer:

I believe there is a mod out there to make shouting unlimited. With no cooldown.

There are many mods that do this...

[Gustavo Eats His Own Chicken?]

Originally posted by Gorsondor:

Originally posted by Devil bringer:

I believe there is a mod out there to make shouting unlimited. With no cooldown.

There are many mods that do this...

Which is why i said this. Not everyones a pro ya know :(

[a. Brand "Don Brandarelli"]

A Dragon shout isnt supposed to replace magic spells lol. Thats why the one is a dragon shout ( wich costs NO Magica) and the others are .....well freaking magic.

They are just meant to be as supports skills wich you can fit on your class build.

lol

[Metrod125]

Originally posted by Muay the Labraraptor Cat:

A Dragon shout isnt supposed to replace magic spells lol. Thats why the one is a dragon shout ( wich costs NO Magica) and the others are .....well freaking magic.

They are just meant to be as supports skills wich you can fit on your class build.

lol

Yes

But this renders the option of being a Nord Tongue who hates all magic but dragon shouts.

[a. Brand "Don Brandarelli"]

Originally posted by Gorsondor:

Originally posted by Muay the Labraraptor Cat:

A Dragon shout isnt supposed to replace magic spells lol. Thats why the one is a dragon shout ( wich costs NO Magica) and the others are .....well freaking magic.

They are just meant to be as supports skills wich you can fit on your class build.

lol

Yes

But this renders the option of being a Nord Tongue who hates all magic but dragon shouts.

No it doenst. It just makes it not ultra gay op. You have to use normal weapons too.

[HUAHHHHH!]

Hah! You don't seem to understand why shouts have a cool down. First of all, they are a free spammable ability that can alter the game in a multitude of ways including: Attacking Faster, Slowing Time, Knocking a dude over, Dealing quick burst damage in the form of a spell, summoning a creature etc.

Shouts are not designed to be your primary form of offense, they are an additional tactical ability. The cool downs are vaguely balanced in vanilla skyrim, though various mods balance them and make them more viable to use.

Melee attacks require you to be close and power attacks use stamina, melee combat requires you to be at risk from all forms of offense as it is harder to dodge at close range.

Magic Attacks require casting and magicka, or charges in the form of staves, allowing you to perform burst damage at a distance at the expense of ease of use (you need to plan to have high magicka and high magicka regen, and soul trap/soul gems to refill staves).

Bow attacks provide consistent ranged damage at the expense of ammo and draw time and at the cost of close ranged effectiveness and lack of various effects outside of pure damage.

Shouts exist to complement these various forms of offense or to provide utility to the player so that they can usethem for something.

Also, you can find various mods that improve shouts and that reduce their cool downs. Skyre for example, changes the speech skill tree to allow for shout cool down reduction perks as well as perks that increase the effectiveness of all shouts.

Cool downs exist to limit the use of something as if it is not limited, it is extremely broken (See chargin' targe TF2). Though in the case of stock skyrim, the game itself is broken simply because of the fact that the smithing cycle exists.

[Brandybuck]

Maybe I can't shout Shor's ghost onto the battlefield (I'm not Tiber Septim after all), but I can shout dragons and ancient Nord heros onto the battlefield. If you think that's petty and worthless, then to Oblivion with you.

[HUAHHHHH!]

So the OP wants some kind of mod that makes combat viable shouts in which all you do is yell at your opponent for the sake of some obscure lore in game?

I play games because they are fun, it doesn't matter to me if the fireball comes out of my face or hands. Either way some poor bastard is going to get set on fire.

[Trigger]

Individualized Shout Cooldowns, is a Nexus mod that requires SKSE...this mod allows you to use one shout and while it is in cooldown you can switch shouts to another and use it while the first shout is still cooling down. AWESOME mod if you like playing the Dragonborn....

[Metrod125]

Originally posted by Brandybuck:

Maybe I can't shout Shor's ghost onto the battlefield (I'm not Tiber Septim after all), but I can shout dragons and ancient Nord heros onto the battlefield. If you think that's petty and worthless, then to Oblivion with you.

I don't think that, but just ask yourself "If they can do it, why cant I?" The Greybeards are holding secrets you know!

Originally posted by Demon Stash:

So the OP wants some kind of mod that makes combat viable shouts in which all you do is yell at your opponent for the sake of some obscure lore in game?

I play games because they are fun, it doesn't matter to me if the fireball comes out of my face or hands. Either way some poor bastard is going to get set on fire.

Your not yelling at your enemies, your speaking to them in a different language that is magical in nature.

Also, what if I wanted to play a Greybeard? No weapons, no magic, just shouts and only shouts. That isn't possible in the vanilla game as you still need to wait for a shout cooldown.

Second, there is no thu'um that can replace a healing spell or potion despite it being another form of magic.

To each their own.

[zeiut]

Why do people believe their personal preference is the right way for everyone?

[Brandybuck]

Originally posted by Gorsondor:

I don't think that, but just ask yourself "If they can do it, why cant I?" The Greybeards are holding secrets you know!

One) I am not Tiber Septim!
Two) I'm still learning this. It's only been three in-game weeks since I first discovered I was dragonborn. Let me work my way up to summoning Shor. Sheesh.

[Mister E]

This could get totally overpowered as several people already mentioned; but I agree, I've often thought that using shouts only should be just as viable as using only magic, etc. You are the Dragonborn after all. Dragons, while being pure dovah, etc, can do it.

[HUAHHHHH!]

This mod seems to buff all shouts and has an alternate "Cheat" version in which shouts have no cool down.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31725/?

A huge majority of mods essentially allow you to run pure shout setup, though Betheseda designed a base game and let the modding community go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. So it is unfair to demand that they accomodate for things such as a shout only character considering the design of shouts was meant to enhance the other play styles.

Skyre, for example, makes shouting significantly more powerful and even allows for cool down reductions making a shout only character more viable.

At any rate, modding has what you are looking for clearly, so why complain here?

Like I said earlier, what difference does it make in terms of gameplay to shoot fire from your face constantly or from your hands? Either way the enemy takes damage.