New SkyUI will cost 1 USD

[Raiden_chino]

http://es.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/33quz6/skyui_pretty_much_one_of_the_most_essential_mods/

-Upload new version for minimum $1 (pay-what-you-want) on SW.
-Keep old version for free as it is on both Nexus and SW.
-Service provider split would go to Nexus to support the site even if I can't host the free version there.
-Any changes to core infrastructure like MCM flows back to the free version as well, so I won't try to force you to upgrade or pull any other stupid stunt like that.

[Yokai #KumoriCon]

Thadian původně napsal:

Yokai původně napsal:

Exactly, how long until someone uploads a mod that fixes a bunch of broken stuff from Skyrim that Beth doesnt want to fix then they fix it and charge?

Should I have to pay another 20$ for a fix that someone did because Beth didn't want to fix it?

What if someone else later comes along and posts a bunch of fixes for 3.00 then someone else for 1.50 then someone else for free.

Sorry, I sent a DMCA request to Valve for trying to steal my fixes... Welcomed to 'Curated' mods on Steam

[Sol]

Yokai původně napsal:

Thadian původně napsal:

What if someone else later comes along and posts a bunch of fixes for 3.00 then someone else for 1.50 then someone else for free.

Sorry, I sent a DMCA request to Valve for trying to steal my fixes... Welcomed to 'Curated' mods on Steam

We will see if you have a legal case for making "fixes" - you don't. You do have a case for adding new content yes, but fixes is something anyone can do in the editor. That is not quite the same. Lots of neat grey areas to be solved though!

[Yokai #KumoriCon]

Thadian původně napsal:

Yokai původně napsal:

Sorry, I sent a DMCA request to Valve for trying to steal my fixes... Welcomed to 'Curated' mods on Steam

We will see if you have a legal case for making "fixes" - you don't. You do have a case for adding new content yes, but fixes is something anyone can do in the editor. That is not quite the same. Lots of neat grey areas to be solved though!

It will be so bogged down nothing will be done. Mods will be stolen, altered and so forth and then profitted from. This new pay2mod doesn't work and won't work.

The people who buy them are the same people who pay for skins and whats worse is that only you can see them and use them where as in MP like CSGO or TF2 people can pick up the guns with skins or w/e. Even those are over priced...

[npalsensei]

I'd love to see the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when workshop mods corrupt savegames and turn the data folder into one huge mess. Giving something out for free with no warranties is one thing. Trying to sell something with no warranties though, that'll be fun to see. Unless of course all scripted mods come with a huge disclaimer for savegame corruption, yeah, that's bound to sell copies... I hope the sellouts have fun with that. It's going to be more fun when future games are locked down and the only way to get mods will be through a paid workshop. That'll go well for everyone.

[Premier Kisov]

Adolf Stalin původně napsal:

Also, the idea will simply not work, because modding is a hobby scene that depends solely on SHARING assets, content, skill and co-operation. You know, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER HOBBY? Trying to monetize it for one, few people is impossible, because there's almost never a situation one or few people are 100% authors. The amount of ethical, financial and lawsuit issues is just massive.

Of course only sheeple that doesn't understand what's going on and will "support" the modder, sorry - support Valve and Bethesda for doing nothing; by buying something that already is free or WILL BE free in a matter of hours. Because a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of modders know how to do the same things and own the same assets of coding, textures, etc.

heres Mardoxx response to the modder community

http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/33r0r9/a_genuine_appeal_to_the_true_sons_of_modding_the/cqnvk2z

[Sol]

Yokai původně napsal:

Thadian původně napsal:

We will see if you have a legal case for making "fixes" - you don't. You do have a case for adding new content yes, but fixes is something anyone can do in the editor. That is not quite the same. Lots of neat grey areas to be solved though!

It will be so bogged down nothing will be done. Mods will be stolen, altered and so forth and then profitted from. This new pay2mod doesn't work and won't work.

The people who buy them are the same people who pay for skins and whats worse is that only you can see them and use them where as in MP like CSGO or TF2 people can pick up the guns with skins or w/e. Even those are over priced...

Too early to say it doesn't/won't work. Give it a chance first.

[lordpatthethird]

You kni\ow what, I can deal with that.

[Yokai #KumoriCon]

Thadian původně napsal:

Yokai původně napsal:

It will be so bogged down nothing will be done. Mods will be stolen, altered and so forth and then profitted from. This new pay2mod doesn't work and won't work.

The people who buy them are the same people who pay for skins and whats worse is that only you can see them and use them where as in MP like CSGO or TF2 people can pick up the guns with skins or w/e. Even those are over priced...

Too early to say it doesn't/won't work. Give it a chance first.

It shouldn't work either...

[MCX]

SkyUI should cost $400, same for SKSE and FNIS

throw a wrench into this ♥♥♥♥ until Valve and Bethesda don't get 75% of the money for 0% of the work, and until they correct policy on paid mods being allowed to have dependencies

[no paid mod]

https://www.change.org/p/valve-remove-the-paid-content-of-the-steam-workshop?tk=h48lMfyqTTgGzCDz9b9uS0ixiQfNxG9OScqOwvhVttc&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

sign for remove paid content

[grieferbastard]

Thadian původně napsal:

grieferbastard původně napsal:

Wow.

1. Fanfics sell for money and a lot of people were able to quit their 9-5 writing them.

2. Stephanie Meyer, Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber aren't very talented but made millions.

3. I believe a financial relationship creates a layer of accountability a social one doesn't.

4. I don't have a Bachelor's Degree so they won't hire me. Instead of reaching above what I am worth, I can try to make money to help me get that degree so that someday I can.

5. Yes, everyone competes, free market. If you make a good mod, someone might make a similar or better one cheap. Every enterprenuer faces this, no matter hobby or industry.

6. Why shouldn't people put up, say, a free mod with 10 spells, then a paid one with 200? Good strategy!

7. Every business leverages community resources. Also, the "resources" are owned by Valve and Beth (workshop and Skyrim's Code). So they have the right to monetize them further.

A lot of depth, you are getting good at this. My compliments.

1. No, fanfic doesn't sell. Good writers of fanfic get jobs as authors. 50 shades of gray, for example, started out as a Twilight fanfic work. Regardless of opinions on either written work that person went pro. What doesn't happen is every fanfic writer being promoted to sell their work to the fandom and then kick proceeds up to the original content designer - because that would be toxic to the community and destroy the fandom as a fandom.

2. They made millions not by trying to sell directly to consumers but by making it a profession and thus being professional. They did the opposite of the Steam Workshop. They were never 'modders'. They went pro and got jobs anyway.

3. No, the opposite happens. There is no social contract in a business relationship. The whole point is that you set accountability aside for an explicit written contract - or you just throw money around and pray. That does not, can not exist at the same time as the sort of mutually-sustaining modding community that TES games have had for almost a decade now. It is not mutually sustaining but inherently predatory.

4. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I worked in the gaming industry for about 12 years total. You don't need a degree; you need to be persuasive, willing to move, willing to work stupid hours for meager pay and be able to cater to the emotions of a narcissist because just about every serious game developer is a raging narcissist. Ordinary people can't pull off going to strangers and telling them to give you millions of dollars to make something based on your pure strength of personality and ability to talk a line of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You find a smaller gaming company and you stalk whatever dev seems the most outspoken (on Twitter, LinkedIn, wherever) and you get them to like you, THEN you submit a resume. Anyone in gaming right now knows your degree is out of date by the time the ink is dry. A willingness to show up on time, work stupid hours and do the above and above all actually deliver on time and on target as well as not be crazy (cuz a lot of would-be game devs are seriously ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy) gets you a job. Then you're inside and it's an inbred as hell environment. You stay until you get promoted to where you want or you meet someone from a job you like better at a con and trade up.

5. There are no protections here. Someone doesn't put up a similar mod; they take your mod, repackage it and just don't have identifying pics on the front page of the content they stole. Nobody sees it for the trial period cuz no pics of stolen content. You have to buy it from me and test it to see if I stole your work. Then you put up a DCMA, my stolen mod comes down. Everyone who bought it (the work stolen from you) keeps it. I keep the money I made. You get nothing. I make a new account, repost it with a new package tomorrow and do it again. You have no protection and Bethesda/Valve get paid if it's stolen or not.

6. You want to advertise on sites like the Nexus you pay like any other advertiser. You're a business wanting to use them to market to a audience, you're not a modder sharing content with your community.

7. Beth/Valve are using the modders in this case because modders don't have MBAs as a given rule and don't have the resources to apply to protect themselves or even realize what they're getting into. It is unethical in the same way that loansharking is unethical. Hey, it's a choice people have available, right? Wrong. It's an exploitive system trying to make money of an existing community they originally promoted in a 'it's all free' environment.

I work in analytics for a living now, largely dealing with marketing and customer research. I know exactly what this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is and it's absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ vile. It's canibalizing a community by telling the right lies to the most vulnerable members to earn them money at 0 risk. 'You deserve paid for your work' is a sweet, sweet bit of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Volunteers, hobbyists, enthusiasts are not the same as paid professionals. Not all effort is the same nor does every spent moment deserve compensation.

[Premier Kisov]

HA HA HA HA HA LOOOOOOOOOOO000000L! AYYYY LMAO!!!!!

SkyUI 5.0 just been pirated and guess what?! the pirate even fixed a bug that kept crashing the game!

Say it with me now AYYYYY LMAOOOOO000000!

[-SNiGS- Kaori1]

Too bad every cent they "earn" gets turned into GabeN Bucks, even Judas got 30 pieces of silver....just sayin.

Gestapo Hunter původně napsal:

HA HA HA HA HA LOOOOOOOOOOO000000L! AYYYY LMAO!!!!!

SkyUI 5.0 just been pirated and guess what?! the pirate even fixed a bug that kept crashing the game!

Say it with me now AYYYYY LMAOOOOO000000!

^also this, let the pirating of mods commence!

[Zenexras of Blackwick]

Gestapo Hunter původně napsal:

HA HA HA HA HA LOOOOOOOOOOO000000L! AYYYY LMAO!!!!!

SkyUI 5.0 just been pirated and guess what?! the pirate even fixed a bug that kept crashing the game!

Say it with me now AYYYYY LMAOOOOO000000!

Well...



Sad day, indeed

[Yokai #KumoriCon]

Zenexras of Blackwick původně napsal:

Gestapo Hunter původně napsal:

HA HA HA HA HA LOOOOOOOOOOO000000L! AYYYY LMAO!!!!!

SkyUI 5.0 just been pirated and guess what?! the pirate even fixed a bug that kept crashing the game!

Say it with me now AYYYYY LMAOOOOO000000!

Well...



Sad day, indeed

Sadder was demanding money for it. Sure its a big mod and not many can donate, but the few that can and did then the modder should be happy that not only is it popular but people were able to spare some money to say thanks.

Modding is not a full time career its a hobby...