Thieves guild needed for all shouts?

[NemoTheEight]

Is it needed to join thieves guild for all shouts (as ona wall is in Snow Veil)?

[sinsorrow1]

I'm not sure about thieves guild, but you have to join the dark brotherhood, because there's a word wall in their hideout

[Captain Cockslap]

Sadly, no.
Speaking With Silence is a Thieves Guild quest and starting it is the only way to gain access to Snow Veil Sanctum.

[Captain Cockslap]

Originally posted by sinsorrow1:

I'm not sure about thieves guild, but you have to join the dark brotherhood, because there's a word wall in their hideout

You don't have to join the Dark Brotherhood. The quest that allows you to wipe them out instead also unlocks access to the sanctuary and as such the word wall.

[NemoTheEight]

Originally posted by UKN | Capt. Capslock:

Originally posted by sinsorrow1:

I'm not sure about thieves guild, but you have to join the dark brotherhood, because there's a word wall in their hideout

You don't have to join the Dark Brotherhood. The quest that allows you to wipe them out instead also unlocks access to the sanctuary and as such the word wall.

Yep. I was at their sancturay and kill them so it's possible. I have 2 words of Marked For Death.

[sinsorrow1]

here are the dungeons that you can only access while/after completing their quests, some of them have word walls:
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dungeon_Lock_Outs

[NemoTheEight]

Originally posted by sinsorrow1:

here are the dungeons that you can only access while/after completing their quests, some of them have word walls:
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dungeon_Lock_Outs

Yep I know. Labirynth has one too. tHat's why I have to work for mages while being warrior with huge axe and very low magica which is quite funny too. But unless looking for words will not force me to join Dark Brotherhood (which is wipe out) or make huge duel with spells-only (and no shouts) it's ok.

[SpeedFreak1972]

As for that thievesguild dungeon (near Winterhold)

You can always use the console ... However if you decide that you want to also want to use tcl, because in the last room is a scripted event (after the dragonclaw door) ... If you don't use that you'll get stuck.

[NemoTheEight]

Originally posted by SpeedFreak:

As for that thievesguild dungeon (near Winterhold)

You can always use the console ... However if you decide that you want to also want to use tcl, because in the last room is a scripted event (after the dragonclaw door) ... If you don't use that you'll get stuck.

I blieve by "Thiefsguild dugeon" you mean same location as me on begining. Disarm shout or maybe Dismay.

[gnewna]

I think you can add shout words by console*, maybe make some kind of sacrifice (throw one of your good weapons in a lake or something) to compensate for not actually going through the whole rigmarole of joining the TG and possibly being way out of character, just to be able to disarm higher level things?

*do stuff like this at your own risk, but I've never noticed any particular issues from simply adding a single item or perk, haven't tried it with shouts but I'm not aware of it causing any great problems, but it's probably worth looking it up to be sure.

[NemoTheEight]

Originally posted by gnewna:

I think you can add shout words by console*, maybe make some kind of sacrifice (throw one of your good weapons in a lake or something) to compensate for not actually going through the whole rigmarole of joining the TG and possibly being way out of character, just to be able to disarm higher level things?

*do stuff like this at your own risk, but I've never noticed any particular issues from simply adding a single item or perk, haven't tried it with shouts but I'm not aware of it causing any great problems, but it's probably worth looking it up to be sure.

I'm little IT-noob so I prefer just to d few tasks for both College and TG. But it still makes me fell bad about terrorising people I swear to protect (I'm Thane of all places but Solitude).

BTW Throwing away good weapon isn't sacrifice at all for me. Most of my weaps on racks in all 3 houses are good. I have so much of it I can't sell it (same with armors, f.e. noone can pay full price for upgraded Daedra armor as it is worth over 4k or sth). Funny thing is that same time I have so little money I couldn't buy last house even if Jarl of Solitude would allow me :).
BTW2 How to easily find dragon with soul? I miss 2 souls to unlock all shouts of main plot and I will still need several for DB/DG ones.

[gnewna]

Originally posted by NemoTheEight:

I'm little IT-noob so I prefer just to d few tasks for both College and TG. But it still makes me fell bad about terrorising people I swear to protect (I'm Thane of all places but Solitude).

BTW Throwing away good weapon isn't sacrifice at all for me. Most of my weaps on racks in all 3 houses are good. I have so much of it I can't sell it (same with armors, f.e. noone can pay full price for upgraded Daedra armor as it is worth over 4k or sth).
BTW2 How to easily find dragon with soul? I miss 2 souls to unlock all shouts of main plot and I will still need several for DB/DG ones.

Yeah, I hate joining the TG, even on thief characters I feel bad about the first two things you have to do to become a full member (though my characters don't necessarily care...) Know what you mean about having ridiculous amounts of great weapons, too...

I think most people find dragons tend to spawn more frequently if you fast travel a lot, there are also particular places that seem to be especially good for dragon spawns, like I usually get attacked by a dragon when I go to the area just near the... Honey something Meadery, near Whiterun, where the bridges are. I also seem to get a lot in the College courtyard (which is qutie a nice place to fight them as there are lots of columns to duck behind... They also spawn much more frequently after you go to Kynesgrove, I think, and then I think after you complete the main quest, this reduces again.

There are certain locations where you can pretty much guarantee there will be a dragon after a set number of days (good for bones/scales) BUT as you may have discovered, only the first dragon has a soul (this actually makes no sense because it's explicitly stated in game that taking a dragon's soul is the only way to truly kill it, yet these dragons come back after you kill them and take their soul!)

[NemoTheEight]

Yep. Some cities are good for dragons too (those without walls). But I need dragons with souls (at least for DG and main part shouts, for DB I probably find more dragons in new part of map). Maybe Blades will help. They hunt every dragon with or without soul, but thy give bigger cheance for it than just wandering whole map. If they still hunt after Alduin death cause I didn't checked.

|About soul stealing: that's one of things why people in Skyrim needed Dragonborn for. They can shout, but this is what greybeards and Ulfrick can to. But Dragonborns are only ones who can kill dragon for good. Untill soul taken any dragon can rise himself after "Death". Without they rise too, but it's only for player to be able to do more dragonbone/dragonscales stuff (quite nice as I personally prefer dragonbone armor instead of Daedra, which is better but to evil-lokoking for hero of legends).