Esbern Or Arngeir?

[ozzytudor]

I dont really want to kill Paarthurnax but I do want to make a companion a blade, I also do want to do that Council thing with the Greybeards just because its fun. Which one?

[Solomon Hawk]

Arngeir

[Slythy]

Arngeir

[gnewna]

Not *that* bothered by Arngeir, but Paarthurnax all the way. It's possible to at the very least delay* being told to kill Paarthurnax by just not getting within forced-greeting range of Delphine/Esbern at the Council - make sure you get out of your seat and walk away as soon as the meeting is finished, or at least stay away from Delphine. She and Esbern will tell you to kill him as soon as you speak to them (once you've met him), though, so if you want to make a follower into a Blade, do that before you meet Paarthurnax (assuming it's not too late). Although if you don't want to kill P, why would you want to hand over a follower to the people who do?

*I never quite got as far as finishing the MQ last time I did it, so I don't know if they have another opportunity to try and make you do it. Of course, you can just ignore their request, but I've read a couple of people mentioning that their game bugged and P died anyway, resulting in the Greybeards refusing to talk to them.

[Trigger]

Do the quest for Alduin's Wall and as soon as it is completed, talk to Delphine about the fact there is only 2 blade members, her and Esbern, after the talk is over you will be able to recruit new Blade members for her. I Really like this little quest for the potion you get from Esbern

[Trigger]

you can do both, do as i've mentioned above then go do the council

[Metrod125]

Arngeir

The Blades are monsterous sons of ****** that want to kill not only your friendly dragon buddy, but also your teacher of the Fire Breath shout!

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

What I find amusing is that people gripe (and quite legitimately, may I add) about there being no real choices and no hard decisions to make. But the one time they are given a real choice in killing Paarthurnax or joining the Blades they try and find all kinds of ways to try to meta their way out of it.

This generation of gamers has no idea what it wants.

[gnewna]

Originally posted by Two Bears:

What I find amusing is that people gripe (and quite legitimately, may I add) about there being no real choices and no hard decisions to make. But the one time they are given a real choice in killing Paarthurnax or joining the Blades they try and find all kinds of ways to try to meta their way out of it.

This generation of gamers has no idea what it wants.

Yeah, ideally I'd like to have a 'no, there's no way I'm doing that' option with Delphine (even if there was a possibility to turn up later with 'I've changed my mind') but as it was I just decided that my character was suspicious of how she'd react to knowing who P was and avoided her. Hang the Blades.

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

Originally posted by gnewna:

Originally posted by Two Bears:

What I find amusing is that people gripe (and quite legitimately, may I add) about there being no real choices and no hard decisions to make. But the one time they are given a real choice in killing Paarthurnax or joining the Blades they try and find all kinds of ways to try to meta their way out of it.

This generation of gamers has no idea what it wants.

Yeah, ideally I'd like to have a 'no, there's no way I'm doing that' option with Delphine (even if there was a possibility to turn up later with 'I've changed my mind') but as it was I just decided that my character was suspicious of how she'd react to knowing who P was and avoided her. Hang the Blades.

Yes. And I also would like to see such a choice when it comes to becoming a Nightingale. Anyway, sorry for my gripe. I am probably just feeling cranky today. Didn't take my Metamucil and whatnot. I think it is time for Matlock and a nap.

[gnewna]

Originally posted by Two Bears:

Yes. And I also would like to see such a choice when it comes to becoming a Nightingale. Anyway, sorry for my gripe. I am probably just feeling cranky today. Didn't take my Metamucil and whatnot. I think it is time for Matlock and a nap.

Nah, it's legitimate, I think! (I wouldn't even have avoided her if I hadn't known there might be a bug if you leave P un-killed, which I suppose definitely counts as meta.) Enjoy your nap, maybe have a warm milky drink, too.

[hedgie_yozh]

Originally posted by Two Bears:

Yes. And I also would like to see such a choice when it comes to becoming a Nightingale. Anyway, sorry for my gripe. I am probably just feeling cranky today. Didn't take my Metamucil and whatnot. I think it is time for Matlock and a nap.

So very, very agreed.

As for the original question, there would be no way I would ever kill Paarthurnax, given any character morality. Delphine and Esbern do nothing but make demands and then insist that their (nonexistent until this point) assistance is dependent upon you killing an entity that actually has been helpful and is far more powerful? Even my most cynical self-serving jackass wouldn't opt for this. If the Blades are allbut extinct, it's because they went from a noble order of protectors to a bunch of dragon-obsessed psychopaths.

[ozzytudor]

Okay, Arngeir I guess. :P

[gnewna]

Originally posted by hedgie_yozh:

So very, very agreed.

As for the original question, there would be no way I would ever kill Paarthurnax, given any character morality. Delphine and Esbern do nothing but make demands and then insist that their (nonexistent until this point) assistance is dependent upon you killing an entity that actually has been helpful and is far more powerful? Even my most cynical self-serving jackass wouldn't opt for this. If the Blades are allbut extinct, it's because they went from a noble order of protectors to a bunch of dragon-obsessed psychopaths.

Yup. Basically all they can withold from me is some rubbish blessing thing without which I've successfully slain a bajillion dragons already, and I have the fancypants dragon-killing sword. I think I'll manage, thanks!

[Anelace]

Get the mod "The Paarthurnax Dilemma" which lets you convince the Blades to back down. Thus you can rebuild the Blades and keep Paarthy.

[Hamsterbytes , bits and nibbles]

Originally posted by gnewna:

Originally posted by Two Bears:

Yes. And I also would like to see such a choice when it comes to becoming a Nightingale. Anyway, sorry for my gripe. I am probably just feeling cranky today. Didn't take my Metamucil and whatnot. I think it is time for Matlock and a nap.

Nah, it's legitimate, I think! (I wouldn't even have avoided her if I hadn't known there might be a bug if you leave P un-killed, which I suppose definitely counts as meta.) Enjoy your nap, maybe have a warm milky drink, too.

I left P unkilled and so far no bug at all. Been many hours( over a 100) of play since then and he was still there on the mtn just a little while ago.