Missing items in treasure chests

[EbonHawk]

I think it was Smile N Fire that said it sounded like I had a "bashed save" or something.... Not even sure what that is. Another user (Ilja?) suggested I try a Save game file script cleaner, but nothing came up as orphaned or missing or needing anything done to my save file...

A LOT of treasure chests in my game are EMPTY. Long, drawn out quest to get somewhere, past traps, Adept & Master level locks, some traps, and a treasure chest will be EMPTY. I'm not sure what's wrong with my game or how to fix it.

Case in point: On the approach to Falkreath coming from the East near Helgen, there's a tower near Falkreath that has a Spriggan in it, guarding a chest. It's empty in my game. It's locked, but it's empty.

I just found out last night that there are mods still installed in my game leftover from the previous playthru from about a year ago, and I know I didn't add it this go round. So, I'm probably screwed, unless I uninstall all mods, get rid of my mods folder, and then start a fresh game.

Any suggestions for NOT having to start all over again? This is ridiculous, but it's my fault really. Should have been more careful. :-(

[Mumbles]

It sounds like your levelled lists are busted in some fashion.

What mods do you have that affect them? Also what mods did you USED to have that affected them?

You are right though - you're probably screwed I'm afraid - condolences.

[jconan7777777]

check if you can restore a previous version to get back to where you were then(windows i mean). then download it and make a copy you can use to upgrade your files.

[jconan7777777]

personally i would just start a new game though

[EbonHawk]

What are "levelled lists"? I've heard that term before, but not sure what they are. Something in the CK?

Not sure what my previous mods were, not all of them anyway. I'm not sure which mods affect level lists since I don't know what those are. :-(

I'm not sure how I could find out what mods are installed previously, since NMM isn't recognizing but 1 or 2 of them.

[Mumbles]

http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Leveled_Lists

Well the script cleaner isn't a cure all - but if it didn't find anything I'm at a loss what to suggest.

You mentioned that you saw evidence of previous mods in your current game - so those mods are what I was referring to.

But yes - if the game is that broke - the easiest and quickest thing to do is nuke the damn thing and start over. Make sure 100% the old mods are gone and rebuild your setup.

It sucks but pinpointing what's actually wrong could take ages and fixing it may be impossible because its random data that your current saves are dependent on.

[EbonHawk]

Originally posted by Mumbles:

You mentioned that you saw evidence of previous mods in your current game - so those mods are what I was referring to.

But yes - if the game is that broke - the easiest and quickest thing to do is nuke the damn thing and start over. Make sure 100% the old mods are gone and rebuild your setup.

I've seen concrete evidence of two of the mods I installed over a year ago, but only one was listed in NMM that I could tell. I'm just assuming that probably ALL of them are still in there, and I just can't remember what they are.

Sigh..I really didn't want to start over, but it's probably the safest bet at this point, since I wouldn't even begin to know where to start on tracking all of them down.

I'm just worried that if I continue the game, I will be missing something eventually that will "break" the game, or an AI/NPC won't be available that I need for a quest, etc. Curse my stupid impatience and not deleting everything before starting Skyrim again this time.

[Mumbles]

Well I was trying to figure out if you were running anything that used one of the proc patchers. They're java apps that go thru the levelled lists and update them for certain mods and compatibilities. If yes - you may have done something wrong there and we could try to fix it.

You could just keep on playing and may even be fine all the way thru (highly unlikely!)

But if the chests are always empty what's the point?

Also starting over isn't so bad if you use one of the alternate start mods ... I mean you're lvl 1 again but at least you don't have to sit thru the damn cart ride.

[EbonHawk]

Originally posted by Mumbles:

Well I was trying to figure out if you were running anything that used one of the proc patchers. They're java apps that go thru the levelled lists and update them for certain mods and compatibilities. If yes - you may have done something wrong there and we could try to fix it.

Might be worth a shot. I can get a complete list tonight, maybe, once I get home. I have no idea if any of the mods I'm using have any java apps in them. Might be hopeless if I can't remember what I installed a year+ ago though.

You could just keep on playing and may even be fine all the way thru (highly unlikely!)

But if the chests are always empty what's the point?

Also starting over isn't so bad if you use one of the alternate start mods ... I mean you're lvl 1 again but at least you don't have to sit thru the damn cart ride.

No, with my luck, it'll go toes-up tomorrow!! If I do start over, I will definitely do the alternate start thing. Thanks for your help. It is most appreciated. Everyone's is.

[Mumbles]

You would know if you'd used any of the proc patches ;-)

[EbonHawk]

Originally posted by Mumbles:

You would know if you'd used any of the proc patches ;-)

That settles it, then. I haven't, because I don't know it. :-)

[EbonHawk]

Would it be possible to manually "refresh" the leveled list of items for my game via something like this?

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/721521-merging-leveled-list/

Because I don't have any mods installed, now or ever, that I know of, that affects weapons or treasure or anything like that. I'll pore through my mods list, directories, and stuff later to try and make sure, but would something like that work if I could get hold of a vanilla list?

[EbonHawk]

Here's my "mods and plug-ins" list from Nexus Mod Manager. Listed first are the ones from the mods tab, then all the stuff listed in the plug-ins tab.

MODS
User Interfaces:
SkyUI
A Quality World Map
Categorized Favorites Menu (?)
Display Equipped Magic
Improved Container Names

Visuals and Graphics:
EDWS Enhanced Dynamic Weather System
Ethereal Cosmos - CoT_Stars_replacer
Mitigate HDR Eye Adaptation and disable Bloom - IShdr1bloom0
Shiny Ore Veins BSA Version

Patches:
Unofficial High Resolution Patch
Unofficial Skyrim Patch

Overhauls:
Project Reality - Climates Of Tamriel-V3

Items and Objects - World:
Ren's HD Shrines by Rengel

Immersion:
Even Better Quest Objectives

Gameplay effects and changes:
Realistic Ragdolls and Force

Environmental:
Real Clouds Version 2_0
Realistic Water Two
Supreme Storms for Climates of Tamriel 3_1

Companions:
Danariel Stormbow
Sofia

Animation:
XP32 Maximum Skeleton -XPMS 1-93a NMM-BAIN INSTALLER

PLUG-INS

HighRes TexturePack01.esp
HighRes TexturePack02.esp
HighRes TexturePack03.esp
arrowsmith.esp
barneziahquestmarkers.esp
better dynamic snow.esp
better embers.esp
betterfemalesbybella.esp
chesko_step418.esp
dragonblood.esp
dragonpriestmaskquestmarkers.esp
enhanceddistantterrain.esp
fixed followers.esp
follower map markers.esp
follower trap safety.esp
followers keep up.esp
garrettsretreat_v02a.esp
guard dialogue overhaul.esp
housecarl_fem.esp
improvedquestbooks.esp
item sorting by saige.esp
lanterns of skyrim - all in one.esp
lightingredients.esp
lightweight potions and poisons.esp
lush grash and trees.esp
Lydia Auburn.esp
LydiaGown.esp
milkwaygalaxy.esp
minemapmarkers.esp
neaextbromjunaar.esp
nightingale equipment tweaks.esp
purewaters.esp
questfixes.esp
shootingstars.esp
slowerstaminadrain.esp
staticmeshimprovementmod.esp
staticmeshimprovementmod-part2.esp
staticmeshimprovementmod-part3.esp
uniquebordergates-all.esp
unreadbooksglow.esp
vibrantauroras.esp
birds.esp
rcrn legacy - hybrid shaders.esp
pureweather.esp
saturationboost.esp
sos - civilization.esp
sos - the dungeons.esp
sos - the wilds.esp
enhanceddynamicweathersystem.esp
skyui.esp
water.esp

[EbonHawk]

Just waiting on my ..... holy hell!!!! 9.3Gb update?!?! All I did was delete all my mods, and then did a reverify game file integrity.. Whoa.

[EbonHawk]

Not sure what that download was all about, but it's done. Now, 8 hours of mod downloads later (wanted to make certain everything was d/l'd correctly and the latest versions), I'm getting closer to getting to play again. Making a log of all the mods this time; don't know why, just in case maybe. It's been a long 24 hours of not being able to play Skyrim though. Sheesh. Hope this doesn't happen again.

Problem is, I keep finding more mods I want in my game. And then there's all the texture packs, official, unofficial, patches, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum. Then I got called into work unexpectedly....

I hope this is all worth it and my junk starts showing up in the right places. Hehe, junk. There's probably a mod for misaligned "junk" as well. Jeez, there's a LOT of mods!!! :-)

[Clever Monkey]

You definitely need to use something to bring all that stuff together properly. i dont use any mod managers or organisers. I use only Wrye Bash. watch vids on how to use it and what all the colors mean. if it looks like a rainbow you have problems