CTD after TES5Edit cleaning?

[Chainers]

So, I finally got my skyrim to be stable by deleting the appcache folder, and after playing for a bit decided to clean the main files (dragonborn, dawnguard, etc) to make the game faster. After cleaning, now the game CTD. Does anyone know what might be causing this? I used LOOT to check the load order, and Wyre Bash to create a bash patch, both worked fine (and TES5Edit didn't list any missing masters). Any tips?

[Futa Fanatic]

cant be tesedit as i did it a few days ago on all dlc EXCEPT skrim.esm and it worked fine

[facciola007]

Try a different save file, or new game.

[cfs111]

First, undo your cleaning by following this guide.
[Quick link] Validating master files by Ilja
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/535150948617437868/

If you no longer crash, then clean them following this guide.
Cleaning the Official Master ESMs
http://www.theassimilationlab.com/forums/topic/14507-guide-manual-cleaning-skyrim-master-files/

My guess is you did something wrong while cleaning them. Such as cleaning them all at once rather each one individually. Also, if this is an older save and not a new game you may need to not clean them until you are done with the save.

[Chainers]

ok I know I didn't clean them one by one, but did them all at once, Ill have to go back and redo that. As for trying a different save, it CTD after the logo. No idea why but Ill try other things and get back to you guys.

[cfs111]

For CTD after the Bethesda logo there is this guide, but get your master files fixed first.
Ilja's CTD After Bethesda Screen Guide
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=375836621

[Chainers]

Unfortunately, I have already done all those steps and I still haven't figured out what is wrong. The game is practically a fresh install, I started it on Tuesday and have been trying to get a stable game since. And, like I said, it is a selective CTD. It happens about once every 6-7 start ups, but it is getting annoying. I know modding has its issues, but it would be nice for a little more consistency in working.

[cfs111]

Ok, so you have fixed the master files? Have you cleaned them again yet? What is your load order, post it please.

[Chainers]

I haven't recleaned the masters. When I had Skyrim reverify the cache integrity, I was told they would replace the master's if they have been cleaned, so I assume they are (if not, I can try something else). Here is my load order:

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
3 3 Dawnguard.esm
4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
5 5 HearthFires.esm
6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
7 7 Dragonborn.esm
8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
9 9 Falskaar.esm
10 a Wyrmstooth.esp
11 b RaceCompatibility.esm
12 c Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
13 d Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
14 e moonpath.esm
15 f HighResTexturePack01.esp
16 10 HighResTexturePack02.esp
17 11 HighResTexturePack03.esp
18 12 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
19 13 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
20 14 Beards.esp
21 15 BF.esp
22 16 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
23 17 CharacterMakingExtender.esp
24 18 WarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp
25 19 WarmongerArmory_DLC.esp
26 1a FNIS.esp
27 1b Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
28 1c vImmersiveBeds.esp
29 1d KJ Tattoos 2K.esp
30 1e lanterns.esp
31 1f Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp
32 20 CombatDramaOverhaul.esp
33 21 ImportantInformationOverhaul.esp
34 22 Epic Music Overhaul.esp
35 23 RaceMenu.esp
36 24 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
37 25 MovementandStaminaOverhaul.esp
38 26 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
39 27 SkyUI.esp
40 28 SkyrimConfigMenu.esp
41 29 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
42 2a Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
43 2b Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
44 2c Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
45 2d Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
46 2e more plants all extra.esp
47 2f RealisticRoomRental.esp
48 30 JKs Skyrim.esp
49 31 When Vampires Attack.esp
50 32 3DNPC.esp
51 33 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
52 34 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
53 35 NPC_Overhaul_V_3_.esp
54 36 Rebirth Monster.esp
55 37 Helgen Reborn.esp
56 38 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
57 39 OBIS.esp
58 3a Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
59 3b Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
60 3c Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
61 3d WarmongerArmory_LeveledList.esp
62 3e OBISDB.esp
63 3f Civil War Overhaul.esp
64 40 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
65 41 EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
66 42 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
67 43 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
68 44 Dovabear.esp
69 45 Cloaks.esp
70 46 Run For Your Lives.esp
71 47 HeljarchenFarm.esp
72 48 MonstersReborn.esp
73 49 moonpath_questdata.esp
74 4a RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
75 4b Chesko_Frostfall.esp
76 4c Pureweather.esp
77 4d RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
78 4e RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
79 4f RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
80 50 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
81 51 RND_USKP-Patch.esp
82 52 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
83 53 Spousetocustomhome.esp
84 54 Supreme Storms.esp
85 55 3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp
86 56 SOS - Shop.esp
87 57 Hunterborn.esp
88 58 garm_companion.esp
89 59 Combat Evolved.esp
90 5a dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
91 5b dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
92 5c Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
93 5d ESFCompanions.esp
94 5e Immersive Weapons.esp
95 5f WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
96 60 LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp
97 61 LeftHandRings.esp
98 62 Brothers.esp
99 63 OBIS Loot.esp
100 64 wisplicker.esp
101 65 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
102 66 Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp
103 67 Hunterborn_LanternsAndCandles-Patch.esp
104 68 PerkusMaximus_Master.esp
105 69 PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp
106 6a Apocalypse - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp
107 6b PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp
108 6c PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp
109 6d PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp
110 6e PerMa_USKP master patch.esp
111 6f SimpleMagicOverhaul.esp
112 70 Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
113 71 FluffusMinimus_Legendaryish.esp
114 72 PerMa-Hunterborn.esp
115 73 PerMa_Survivalism.esp
116 74 Post_PatchusMaximus_GiantsAIFix.esp
117 75 InteractiveWashBasinsCOMPLETE.esp
118 76 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
119 77 Bathing in Skyrim - Hunterborn.esp
120 78 Bathing in Skyrim - Interactive Wash Basins.esp
121 79 Bathing in Skyrim - Realistic Room Rental.esp
122 7a EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
123 7b Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
124 7c Pre PaMa WAFR Patch.esp
125 7d ASIS-Dependency.esp
126 7e PatchusMaximus.esp
127 7f ASIS.esp
128 80 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[Chainers]

The only other thing I can think of is that I have too many mods installed, but I don't know if that could be an issue or not (like maybe Interesting NPC's might be too big, and causing it to crash sometimes?) When I run the game with no mods, the game starts just fine, but even though TES5Edit, LOOT, and Wyre Basher all say there is nothing wrong with my load order I am still getting crashes (sometimes)

[cfs111]

That fixed it. Let me and others here look over your load order. get back to you in a few.

[cfs111]

Did wrye bash not tell you to disable this esp after building your bash patch?
These two are wrong the patch should be after the main file.
LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp
97 61 LeftHandRings.esp
Cloaks is the same. Not sure you ran LOOT correctly. After running LOOT be sure to click on the button in the upper right that says "Sort" when hovered over, then click "Apply" once it appears.
LOOT
https://loot.github.io/

Also, not sure you ran your bash patch right.
1. Run Wrye Bash through MO
2. Right click bashpatch0.esp > rebuild patch, uncheck any files that show in the window that pops up (take note of the names). Click OK.
3. Next window click Build Patch
4. After the patch is built in the next window, click ok (this web window is empty for me).
5. Next window click Yes.
6. Exit Wrye Bash
7. In MO, right click Overwrite > Create Mod
8. Next window give your new patch a name (I usually Bash Patch <profile name>) click OK
9. Left pane of MO activate your new mod.
10. Right pane of MO make sure your new patch is activated and deactivate whatever esp's showed in step # 2.

If you do not use MO, just ignore things are MO specific.

[cfs111]

This 66 42 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp is not compatible with Racemenu per the ECE description page.Also from the racemenu page about ece
Q. Is this compatible with ECE?
A. Partially, only a few features will work, generally I do not recommend using them together as presets will not work.

[Chainers]

So I did use the Sort and apply button on LOOT, so I am not too sure why those patches aren't in the right spot (also where are they suppose to go exactly? Right after the skyrim and main files?) Ill try rerunning Wrye Bash, but I am pretty sure I am doing it right.

Also, the game doesn't CTD immediately after the Bethesda logo, it goes onto the skyrim main screen, and before the "continue" button pops up, it CTD sometimes. Still not too sure why but I am almost at the point of giving up on this.

[Chainers]

Well getting rid of the ECE seems to have made it much more stable. It only crashed once out of 4 times during the load, so I hope it stays fixed. Thanks for the help!

[cfs111]

On the load order there is this thread.
Load order and resource priority basics
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681419356033/

Basically any patches should always come after the file they patch.

Note I am out to dinner, so if I do not answer back I will eventually. You have an aggressive load order with quite a few script heavy mods, but we should be able to get you going.