LORE: Aetherius vs. Sovngarde (vs. sould cairn)

[bowerbank]

So what's with Sovngarde? is it just a Nord thing? is it like a pocket realm in aetherius? and what is aetherius, other than the place you go when you die? what happenens to people in the soul cairn when their soul is used up? do dead nords go to sovngarde? do the gods have power in aetherius? where did Lorkhan go when his heart got thrown down to vvardenfell? where do aedra go when they die? where do daedra go when they are "banished"? since dwemer automatons are powered by sould gems, are they considered "alive"?

[76561198133591931]

To the best of my admittedly limited knowledge, Aetherius is the source of all magic. And a plane for the dead. Sovngarde is most definitely a Nord thing. Others don't go there. The Soul Cairn lore is unknown by me. The Aedra have little to do with Aetherius. Though I think they created it. Or it might have been created by those Deadric Princes that stopped short of the giving up of power that Aedra did to creat Mundus. Not sure.

[bowerbank]

so the nords have their own special universe and everyone else has to go to the crowded and crapmy old aetherius? and also, could you like see dead dwemer and akiviri and sloads and cool stuff like that? and do animals go there?

[just.nuke.em]

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

where do daedra go when they are "banished"?

Back to their respective plane of Oblivion.

[Valden21]

The best bit of information I can give on this topis is to look up Aetherius, Sovngarde, and the Soul Cairn on the UESP. The articles on that site can give you more help on this than I ever can.

[Malvastor]

If the Nords have their own afterlife, the other races probably have something similar that just doesn't come up as much.

It's also worth noting that a non-Nord Dragonborn will be promised a place in Sovngarde, so there are apparently exceptions to the Nords Only rule.

[bowerbank]

Originalmente postado por just.nuke.em:

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

where do daedra go when they are "banished"?

Back to their respective plane of Oblivion.

what if they are killed in their repective plane of oblivion?

[bowerbank]

Originalmente postado por Malvastor:

If the Nords have their own afterlife, the other races probably have something similar that just doesn't come up as much.

It's also worth noting that a non-Nord Dragonborn will be promised a place in Sovngarde, so there are apparently exceptions to the Nords Only rule.

so then sovngarde is part of aetherius?

[PixelTraveller]

Good question. But what I would like to know is this: If you played all the different classes on one character, regardless of what order, then where will you go after your mortal body expires? Will it be the Evergloam? Or Sovngarde? Or whatever it is (I can't recall) associated with Sithis? Does one take a precedence over the other? I would personally assume Sovngarde, since as a Dragonborn that is your "calling" if you play the Main Quest line.

[bowerbank]

Originalmente postado por PixelTraveller:

Good question. But what I would like to know is this: If you played all the different classes on one character, regardless of what order, then where will you go after your mortal body expires? Will it be the Evergloam? Or Sovngarde? Or whatever it is (I can't recall) associated with Sithis? Does one take a precedence over the other? I would personally assume Sovngarde, since as a Dragonborn that is your "calling" if you play the Main Quest line.

what is evergloam?

[76561198133591931]

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

Originalmente postado por PixelTraveller:

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what is evergloam?

Evergloam is the realm of Nocturnal. Daedric Prince of Thieves and Luck.

[Reverend Belial]

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

So what's with Sovngarde? is it just a Nord thing? is it like a pocket realm in aetherius? do dead nords so to sovngarde?

Sovngarde is the Nord afterlife (and reserved purely for Nords who die honorably in combat). It's most likely a pocket realm in Oblivion.

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

what happenens to people in the soul cairn when their soul is used up?

It doesn't get used up, you stay there forever unless freed like Durnehviir (sp?) or Arvak.

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

do the gods have power in aetherius?

The gods (Divines, more specifically) have power everywhere, but stay out of Oblivion due to some ancient pact thing.

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

where did Lorkhan go when his heart got thrown down to vvardenfell?

The most common theory is that he was simply shattered, and didn't technicaly go "anywhere". He's just gone.

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

where do aedra go when they die?

They don't. The Aedra can't have an afterlife since they're basically the highest thing on the celestial food chain, and when they die they're just plain dead.

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

where do daedra go when they are "banished"?

Oblivion. If I remember correctly Oblivion has some kind of "river of souls" style thing that basically holds the pure energy of the Daedra while they wait to reform (if you're a Warhammer fan than imagine how they describe the open areas of the Warp).

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

since dwemer automatons are powered by sould gems, are they considered "alive"?

No. Much like Robobrains from Fallout, the soul gem is merely a battery that provides power. They're no more alive than an enchanted sword is.

Originalmente postado por darkknight4321234:

To the best of my admittedly limited knowledge, Aetherius is the source of all magic. And a plane for the dead. Sovngarde is most definitely a Nord thing. Others don't go there. The Soul Cairn lore is unknown by me. The Aedra have little to do with Aetherius. Though I think they created it. Or it might have been created by those Deadric Princes that stopped short of the giving up of power that Aedra did to creat Mundus. Not sure.

If I remember correctly Aetherius was made by Magnus when he disappeared or blew up or whatever it was he did. The Soul Cairn is a realm of Oblivion that is independant from the Princes though has been fought over by then before.

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

so the nords have their own special universe and everyone else has to go to the crowded and crapmy old aetherius? and also, could you like see dead dwemer and akiviri and sloads and cool stuff like that? and do animals go there?

Some of the races have their own afterlives (like the Redguard's Far Shores), and many of the Daedric Princes take their followers or charges to their respective realms (Sheogorath obviously taking people to the Shivering Isles [although I'm not sure if death is what brings them there], or Hircine taking werebeasts or worshippers to his Hunting Grounds [which is where I think most animals end up]). Of all the afterlifes though only the Daedric ones and Sovngarde are proven to exist so far though.

[MysticMalevolence]

Lorkhan is another name for Shor; here, this might help.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gods
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lorkhan
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shor

[MysticMalevolence]

Originalmente postado por %%%:

I know Sovngarde is accessable to atleast the Redguards because the ebony warrior is a redguard who wants to go to Sovngarde

He does not actually show up in Sovengarde if you kill him prior to visiting there.

[76561198133591931]

Originalmente postado por %%%:

I know Sovngarde is accessable to atleast the Redguards because the ebony warrior is a redguard who wants to go to Sovngarde

And doesn't get there, because he isn't a nord.

[just.nuke.em]

Originalmente postado por bowerbankfamily:

Originalmente postado por just.nuke.em:

Back to their respective plane of Oblivion.

what if they are killed in their repective plane of oblivion?

Their soul then returns to The Darkness, aka the Void, where it then coalesce into a physical form in their Oblvion plane.

From Spirit of the Daedra: "We do not die. We do not fear death.
Destroy the Body, and the Animus is cast into The Darkness. But the Animus returns."