What's your "should be" mod list?

[stmpunk]

Creating the topic out of curiosity rly, I could easily state that Skyrim should've being the modded STEP project at the least (that combination of mods is what I had expected from Vanilla in the first place, but it was actually a BIG let down)

But extensively modding the game brought me to other possibilities and I'm still trying to find what I would call the "perfect Skyrim modlist" -> It must be Lore Nazi, it must retain the same style of any previous TES titles (Previus no TESO's joke), and it has to add for immersion/quality/content.

Even with the awesome Cutting Room Floor there's still cut content that was either never implemented or completely wiped and otherwise untraceable through the CK, game feels so empty, Quests don't connect with the world nor with eachother properly, I think the most void feeling I've got was trying to find out at what degree the Civil War and the Main Quest would interact with each other, only to find almost no crossovers. Jarls and Guards don't recognize you as Stormcloak/Imperial regardless if you've joined or not, killed tons of enemies or not, capture some holds or not.
There's also the Dialogue Hint from Delphine that you are Dragonborn and that the blades served the Emperor Dragonborns, they were also responsible to putting a Dragonborn on the Throne of the Empire, she also hints that both the Emperor and Ulfric are fools and should not lead. Regardless of those hints and the idea of servitude she shows, you are bossed around by anyone and everyone including the Blades, there's no choice besides: Be a Pawn of X or Be a Pawn of Y in every single choice, you can't go independent for you can't complete the civil war questline if so and so on so forth....

Anyway, I've done my best to find such a perfect mod build but the latest I've gone for is incredibly unstable, game crashes at startup sometimes, game crashes when running around too, also sometimes. Animations get stuck, huge FPS drops under unexplainable situation and etc. And even fighting all of this I still feel that there's something missing, things still feel very cloudy/unconnected and Character Progression still makes no sense (up to lvl 15 u are trash, at lvl 20 u are godlike when using certain playstyles, but u're still uncapable of the most basic tasks, at lvl 35 u are either one shot to death or one-shots things to death in a kind of russian roulette or who shoots first Wild West duel.)

I'll post this buildup soon, I need to make the list and I've mixed up a few mods in MO so I need to look one by one =)

[Mr. Mannperson]

MO itself is one of the most awesome things I've seen for a game.
I would say Civil War Overhaul is a must have but I haven't gotten to that part yet to judge it. Sounds awesome tho.
I found you definitely need ENBoost to cap your framerate or some glitches happen with the water and supposively the havoc physics.
Requiem is a good throwback to previous Elder Scrolls games. I think in Morrowind if you went too far north of the starting town, there was a highwayman with a battleaxe would would one-shot you if you didn't pay him. Well, now every bandit is like that! It can sometimes throw a troll outside Riverwood too. You know, like when Arena and Daggerfall threw whatever at you whenever.

Frostfall is a load of fun for the added thread of freezing to death. Can't play a beast race tho cause cloaks use the tail slot. :( Also you really gotta plan around the weather sometimes, and it LOVES to rain. Luckily if you have a companion they'll drag you back to a tavern, or set up a camp.
If you get frostbite tho, he can't saw your legs off to save you because he'll already have sawn off his own arms...

[stmpunk]

Mr. Mannperson původně napsal:

MO itself is one of the most awesome things I've seen for a game.
I would say Civil War Overhaul is a must have but I haven't gotten to that part yet to judge it. Sounds awesome tho.
I found you definitely need ENBoost to cap your framerate or some glitches happen with the water and supposively the havoc physics.
Requiem is a good throwback to previous Elder Scrolls games. I think in Morrowind if you went too far north of the starting town, there was a highwayman with a battleaxe would would one-shot you if you didn't pay him. Well, now every bandit is like that! It can sometimes throw a troll outside Riverwood too. You know, like when Arena and Daggerfall threw whatever at you whenever.

Frostfall is a load of fun for the added thread of freezing to death. Can't play a beast race tho cause cloaks use the tail slot. :( Also you really gotta plan around the weather sometimes, and it LOVES to rain. Luckily if you have a companion they'll drag you back to a tavern, or set up a camp.
If you get frostbite tho, he can't saw your legs off to save you because he'll already have sawn off his own arms...

So Requiem huh? I've never tried it afraid of the extensive compatibility issues...
Some must have imo are:

Cutting Room Floor; Deadly Dragons; Dragon Combat Overhaul and CW Overhaul; Trade and Barter; ESF Companions; Thieves Guild Requirements; DynDOLOD and Unique Uniques.

Dragon Soul Relinquishment is a favorite but I am not really sure if it's a good idea, I've never used it much because I've used to play SkyRe and now PerMa, both of which make the bonuses from DSRelinquishment kind of OP.

Frostfall's too heavily scripted for shallow reason, even tho I've played it extensively and loved it, I'm using Campfire + Art of the Catch while in wait for Last Seed and Frostfall 3, apparently Chesko (MA MAN) is working on a much more polished version of FF to use with all of these other 3 mods, Last Seed promises to surpass iNeed and RND both in every aspect.

As for general immersion I think Expanded Towns and Cities with all it's modules is a must-have, but it can cause serious issues.

Better Bounties' also in 100% of my playthroughs, first the predefine, and now the new MCM version, I do so it makes more sense killing off giants and dragons in bounty quests, I mean, 100g for a Dragon that could easily wipe out the entire hold doesn't make much sense. I've also kind of focused in rebalancing the game so you can "choose a profession". So I also use Hunterborn and give the Valuable Pelts modifier a go, always.

with perma I've being using CCOR but I think I hate it, as well as WAFR which I also think I hate, their "fixes" do not fix much tbh, they more like make the game more glitched and swaps weapon dmg so to make Left Smithing tree useless (they give the best dmg to Orcish, Dwarven, Ebony and Daedric making Dragonbone weapons and Glass pretty much worthless meta-wise)... CCOR also does re-changes to what PerMa/SkyRe already change for perk requirements. idk, I think those 2 mods are a no-go but they are kind of needed for PerMa, and explicitly needed for SkyRe if you use the most updated ReProccer.

Immersive Armors' also a great addition, but it adds so many lore-unfriendly stuff and at times ugly worthless stuff that it loses porpuse, but I do know about the MCM and always ban non-sensical stuff it adds, still it's annoying to mandatorily waste time through MCM to shut those down every single playthrough.

I like A Matter of Time too, always use it...

Familiar Faces I've being trying to use for ages, but it's so glitchy and it's only for subsequent playthroughs that I've never actually had the chance of importing a character through it. So I've being considering giving this mod a no-go too, it's there just for the sake of being considering I've not being able to finish a single play-through with a mod setup that satifies me (PerMa's fault for I've used to have a "perfect" build for SkyRe, but SkyRe's being abandonned and "kind of replaced" by PerMa)

I've being using Immersive Creatures too... Awesome and possibly another MUST HAVE.

Pumping Iron's fun but I'm afraid it might overload scripts and it isn't really essential if you have Dawnguard and a neck for going "RP-off" to change your appearence when u think it's time (it's also more complete using the Face Sculptor instead of PI given you can also simulate hair-growth and warpaint additions, the lack of barbershops and "makeup" shops' also something I've never really understood about Skyrim)

I've used Better Vampires a few times in the past and installed it again, but I'm afraid that it isn't much of a smart addition. It does make vampire race more interesting, but it is extremely heavy scripted and glitch prone when used in combination of Perk Overhauls and stuff that change combat...

Immersive Sounds Compendium + Audio Overhaul are also MUST HAVES! But I've only discovered them recently...

And last but not least: Thunderchild - > This one makes me divided, because it makes being a Dragonborn a thousand times more interesting but it also makes you overpowered with Shouts. Meaning: You can pretty much not lvlup anything in the game and go for a pure shouting PC and wipe out everything with Fire Breath... I mean, it's literally one shoting anything the game can throw at you unless u go play in legendary, that makes everything else useless and shouting a necessity (i've being there, with overhauls like perma or skyre, legendary diff is a no-go, specially if combined with DCO which makes fighting dragon's in Adept a pretty hard job, on Legedary they are nearly unkillable or it will take u 10 minutes or more of micromanagement to kill a single dragon.)

[Mr. Mannperson]

You use Hunterborn?
Frostfall's actually really really stable for me, but I tried skinning a wolf with Hunterborn to test it out and it took all day, then it crashed. I leave it off and just keep it for the patch with RND and Requiem. I only ue RND because INeed didnt work with something, but I forget what.
As for Pumping Iron, IDK I considered it but I didn't want to end up looking like I abuse steroids.

Here's one for the list: CASM. It's just as essential in Skyrim as it was in modded New Vegas. It autosaves every few minutes (but it's always a full save) and they're named. You can also write a full save with it with the push of a key whenever you want. There's just a little freeze for a couple seconds when it saves.

[stmpunk]

Mr. Mannperson původně napsal:

You use Hunterborn?
Frostfall's actually really really stable for me, but I tried skinning a wolf with Hunterborn to test it out and it took all day, then it crashed. I leave it off and just keep it for the patch with RND and Requiem. I only ue RND because INeed didnt work with something, but I forget what.
As for Pumping Iron, IDK I considered it but I didn't want to end up looking like I abuse steroids.

Here's one for the list: CASM. It's just as essential in Skyrim as it was in modded New Vegas. It autosaves every few minutes (but it's always a full save) and they're named. You can also write a full save with it with the push of a key whenever you want. There's just a little freeze for a couple seconds when it saves.

The Hunterborn crash is actually caused by Frostfall, too script heavy as I've said, it makes checks every X in-game minutes, when u use HB to skin something at low levels it takes ages to finish, so it time-jumps forward, RND's another mess with scripts, and combined with FF it goes crazy with time-jumps...

iNeed's more stable and much lighter, not to mention it requires no patch ESPs, while RND requires you to nearly double the load order with useless patch ESPs that only switch HP gain on foods for "satiation values", with iNeed you can do that on the fly (not such a good idea) or simply add food from other mods/dlc through it's system (it has a spell to add or you can simply eat/drink new food and you get prompted to define which is which once every playthrough)

CASM seems like a good idea, I might need that thing hahaha =D

PS: iNeed's bad tho, has a bit less additions than RND and is very very glitch prone, but, it's better than RND, more polished. My recommendation lies with waiting for Last Seed.

[Mr. Mannperson]

Ya, I chose to just remove Hunterborn. Well, turn it off in the MCM. I don't like time jumps. I only ever use rest at night.
Now that I think about it, it might be the latest Requiem Ineed was supposed to not work with.
There was a mod for Oblivion that added a bunch needs and meters, and it was like one whole animated eat/drink/pee/wash your ass package. For food, it just looked for restore fatigue and the object's weight. It was stable...I think... Oblivion was kinda far from stable to begin with for me.

I'll have to check out Last Seed. I won't use it tho cause I already started my game and with Requiem it's hours of chopping wood. Removing RND might make my saves unstable in the long run. I already had to mess with Familiar Faces (there's a jerk on the support team who thinks the glitches are my fault), and various changes to the requiem load order so I can eat anything and RND will recognize it. It'd be Oblivion and Morrowind all over again by level 10 lol.

[Stormsong]

I don't know a simpler way to answer the question than to give you my modlist. So, here you go. This is my latest stable list minus index 57 - Bandit Patrols.esp, which is mentioned again if you scroll to it.

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
3 3 Dawnguard.esm
4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
5 5 HearthFires.esm
6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
7 7 Dragonborn.esm
8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
9 9 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
10 a Wyrmstooth.esp
11 b ApachiiHair.esm
12 c ApachiiHairFemales.esm
13 d Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
14 e notice board.esp
15 f EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
16 10 ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
17 11 RealisticRoomRental.esp
18 12 WetandCold.esp
19 13 AOS.esp
20 14 Weapons & Armor_FasterArrows.esp
21 15 Disparity.esp
22 16 ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
23 17 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
24 18 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
25 19 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
26 1a KS Hairdo's.esp
27 1b SkyUI.esp
28 1c YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
29 1d Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
30 1e CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
31 1f Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
32 20 Purity.esp
33 21 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
34 22 Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp
35 23 NPO Module - Crossbows.esp
36 24 RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp
37 25 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
38 26 Rebirth Monster.esp
39 27 ELFXEnhancer.esp
40 28 OBIS.esp
41 29 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
42 2a Unique Unique.esp
43 2b Weapons & Armor_DragonPriestMasks.esp
44 2c Better Vampires.esp
45 2d DeadlyDragons.esp
46 2e Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp
47 2f dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
48 30 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
49 31 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
50 32 RND_USKP-Patch.esp
51 33 UltimateCombat.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
52 34 TradeBarter.esp
53 35 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
54 36 Ordinator - Dragonborn Perk Respec.esp
55 37 College of Winterhold Entry Requirements.esp
56 38 iHUD.esp
57 39 Improved Dragon Shouts.esp
58 3a Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp
59 3b Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp
60 3c ImprovedHearthfireLighting.esp
61 3d logicaltraps.esp
62 3e dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
63 3f OBISDB.esp
64 40 RaceMenu.esp
65 41 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
66 42 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp
67 43 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
68 44 CCO_SIC_Patch.esp
69 45 Better Towns Textures.esp
70 46 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
71 47 High Level Enemies.esp
72 48 CWIELnFXPatch.esp
73 49 Cloaks.esp
74 4a Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
75 4b Run For Your Lives.esp
76 4c CFTO.esp
77 4d Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp
RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
78 4e Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp
79 4f Immersive Patrols II.esp
80 50 Realistic crime report radius.esp
81 51 RealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp
Scarcity - 8x Loot Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 8x Merchant Item Rarity.esp
82 52 Serana.esp
83 53 Aurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
84 54 Storefront.esp
85 55 Chesko_Frostfall.esp
86 56 CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp
87 57 Bandit Patrols.esp (This has since been taken out. As mentioned)
88 58 CCO_Frostfall_Patch.esp
89 59 Hunterborn.esp
90 5a The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
91 5b Extended Encounters.esp
Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp
92 5c Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
93 5d Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
94 5e Valerica.esp
95 5f Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
96 60 The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
97 61 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
98 62 notice board - dragonborn patch.esp
99 63 Vampire Lord Serana Fixed.esp
100 64 YOT - Better Vampires.esp
101 65 YOT - Frostfall Module.esp
102 66 1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
103 67 OBISCloaks&IA7.esp
104 68 When Vampires Attack.esp
105 69 WetandCold - Ashes.esp
106 6a AdventurersAndTravelers.esp
107 6b aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
108 6c AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
109 6d CWINPCApachiiSkyHair.esp
110 6e Bijin Warmaidens.esp
111 6f Bijin Wives.esp
112 70 Brows.esp
113 71 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp
114 72 HoldBorderBanners.esp
115 73 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
116 74 Apocalypse - Dragonborn Staff Crafting.esp
117 75 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
118 76 Daedric Reaper Armor.esp
119 77 DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp
120 78 DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp
121 79 Disease Descriptions_RND Compatibile.esp
122 7a Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp
123 7b TakeNotes.esp
124 7c FISS.esp
125 7d AnonymousPeople.esp
126 7e BloodthirstVampireFeeding.esp
127 7f PermaZONESLegendaryBalanced.esp
128 80 High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp
129 81 High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
130 82 TimingIsEverything.esp
131 83 Convenient Horses - Faster Sprint.esp
132 84 Convenient Horses.esp
133 85 serana stfu.esp
134 86 CCF_Revenge of Enemies_Patch.esp
135 87 iActivate.esp
136 88 OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp
137 89 VioLens.esp
138 8a Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
139 8b ASIS-Dependency.esp
140 8c XPMSE.esp
141 8d TES5Merged.esp
142 8e Bashed Patch, 0.esp
143 8f ASIS.esp
144 90 iActivate - Patcher.esp

[stmpunk]

so u use no Perk Overhauls at all?

I'll post my Load Order, but be aware, it's rather scarry! haha

[stmpunk]

Sums up to 201 esp/esms total.

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Falskaar.esm
Wyrmstooth.esp
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
CompanionArissa.esm
Gray Fox Cowl.esm
daymoyl.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
Campfire.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
mjollfacelift-v4-1-Blonde.esp
Differently Ebony.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
AOS.esp
ETaC - Complete ELFX Patch.esp
ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
DarkbroSanctuary.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp
Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
RealShelter.esp
Rebirth Monster.esp
RealShelter_ETAC13.esp
Undeath.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp
Civil War Overhaul.esp
ESFCompanions.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
Immersive Whiterun.esp
Training Dummies XP.esp
LocalizedGuildJobs.esp
Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
SkyUI.esp
AchieveThat.esp
Immersive Solstheim.esp
BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
TheFrontier.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
Inigo.esp
TheDomain.esp
AdalMatar.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp
TradeBarter.esp
Unique Bloodscythe&Soulrender.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
atkspdmod.esp
aedric ritual remake.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp
FISS.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
Animated Dragon Wings.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
Beards.esp
Bounty Gold.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp
Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
Dodge Mod.esp
DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete CRF Patch.esp
Teleport.esp
P1FlyingRing.esp
ETaC - Whiterun Ext CRF Patch.esp
Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
BoatTravel.esp
ETaC - Whiterun Ext ELFX Patch.esp
daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp
ArtOfTheCatch.esp
PerkusMaximus_Master.esp
PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp
Pre PaMa WAFR CCF CCOR Wintermyst Patch.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp
The Huntsman.esp
DeadlyMutilation.esp
Better Vampires.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
Bag of Holding.esp
aelafacelift-origpaint.esp
EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
Hunterborn.esp
ETaC - Complete RBT Patch.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Immersive Music Temples.esp
Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp
Extended UI.esp
Faendal-by-Axeface.esp
Headtracking.esp
HearthfireMoveKidsfix.esp
HothFollower.esp
Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp
iHUD.esp
Immersive Speechcraft.esp
Improved Dragonrend Shout.esp
LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp
LeftHandRings.esp
LPBards.esp
More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings and Tail.esp
More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Flying Mod Addon.esp
Predator Vision.esp
PumpingIron.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
Realistic crime report radius.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
ThievesGuildReq_LocalizedGuildJobs_Patch.esp
Training Dummies XP Dawnguard.esp
TrueGauldurAmulet.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp
MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
RSPatch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
AOS2_DD Patch.esp
AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp
Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
skyforgedWeapons.esp
AOS2_Unique Uniques Patch.esp
PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp
PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp
PerMaExtendedPerkDescriptions.esp
PermArchery_ALL_R.esp
ExScrollAndQuill.esp
PerMa-Hunterborn.esp
PerMa_USKP master patch.esp
Wyrmstooth - PerMa Patch.esp
Thunderchild - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp
PerMa Headless.esp
ISC PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp
ISCompendium AOS Patch.esp
ISCompendium CCO Patch.esp
Hunterborn Campfire Patch.esp
PermanentLegendaryBonus.esp
HonedMetal.esp
XPMSE.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp
SKSE Hotkeys.esp
Argonian Access.esp
Immersive Music.esp
ETaC - Whiterun Ext LoS Patch.esp
iNeed.esp
vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp
iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
Chesko_Step418.esp
SwiftPotion.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
da_alternate_start_extension.esp
Merged.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
PatchusMaximus.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp
DynDOLOD.esp

[stmpunk]

ASIS' something I refuse to use, it's interesting, but it makes the game annoying to play if u are not power-playing (or in other words too meta-focused)

With Vanilla setup of perks it's easy to become godlike, so ASIS kind of balances that out. Still if u are into RPing ASIS can ruin your game for it's too non-sensical and makes every single place in the game over-populated (making the game more prone to crashes) haha

I'm also thinking about reducing my DynDOLOD to medium instead of High, there are details that are impossible to see at distance and so making a mesh for those seems rather stupid haha

[Stormsong]

I don't use the population module from ASIS, I have other far more sensible mods doing it for the very reason you stated, just the Spells from Apocalypse, Perks from Ordinator (index 35 as you seem to have missed it), which is a perk overhaul :), and potion spread, because I felt a bit cheap having access to something they did not.

As for DynDOLOD, haven't quite worked up the nerve to take the time out for setting that up yet.

[Mr. Mannperson]

wow thas a lot o mods. I would have more but ya, like you said a lot of em conflict with Requiem.
I was so gonna install this one horror mod inspired by the Souls series called Darkend. The atmosphere looked so awesome and it has huge boss battles and non-linear dungeoney areas, but I hear Requiem makes anything based on the giant REALLY difficult to solo, and it somehow affects the bosses. It's not like you can just, ya know, roll out of the way of their attacks.

In Skyrim it seems you can only tank hits in various ways or kite the enemy and, according to Brodual's review, Darkend has its fair share of taurus demon-like boss encounters on narrow paths, so umm with Requiem they might as well yell "fore!" when they swing at you.

OOH OOH!!!! Mod request: Golf hole with a flag in Riverwood!

I would recommend checking it out tho if you don't use Requiem. Darkend looks really cool. A lot of Z axis and narrow paths overlooking huge pits, and puzzles and stuff.

[stmpunk]

Mr. Mannperson původně napsal:

wow thas a lot o mods. I would have more but ya, like you said a lot of em conflict with Requiem.
I was so gonna install this one horror mod inspired by the Souls series called Darkend. The atmosphere looked so awesome and it has huge boss battles and non-linear dungeoney areas, but I hear Requiem makes anything based on the giant REALLY difficult to solo, and it somehow affects the bosses. It's not like you can just, ya know, roll out of the way of their attacks.

In Skyrim it seems you can only tank hits in various ways or kite the enemy and, according to Brodual's review, Darkend has its fair share of taurus demon-like boss encounters on narrow paths, so umm with Requiem they might as well yell "fore!" when they swing at you.

OOH OOH!!!! Mod request: Golf hole with a flag in Riverwood!

I would recommend checking it out tho if you don't use Requiem. Darkend looks really cool. A lot of Z axis and narrow paths overlooking huge pits, and puzzles and stuff.

Sounds interesting, I'll make sure to check that out tomorrow!

[stmpunk]

Stormsong the Fallen původně napsal:

I don't use the population module from ASIS, I have other far more sensible mods doing it for the very reason you stated, just the Spells from Apocalypse, Perks from Ordinator (index 35 as you seem to have missed it), which is a perk overhaul :), and potion spread, because I felt a bit cheap having access to something they did not.

As for DynDOLOD, haven't quite worked up the nerve to take the time out for setting that up yet.

I c, so how does Ordinator work? I mean, what I like about PerMa is the amount of new perks added, it makes for a very complex build integration, you can literally make a character that corsses over 5 or more perk trees for various effects and playstyles. But it's glitchy and annoying to set up properly. =/

[Stormsong]

Ha, I actually came to Ordinator from PerMas. I like it, for the reasons you like Perma. Only it's simpler, much more so. Now. I should say it doesn't make the changes to damage values and weapons and stat use (HP/MP/SP) and such. BUT, there are mods, or even mixes of mods that can complete a comparable, if not exactly the same effect in those departments.

Back to Ordinator though, it's super simple to set up. And it has the complexity the other big overhauls put into their perk systems, if not more since that's all the mod focuses on. I didn't compare them side by side when I switched, I just remember wanting to get away from the mess of PerMa's set up haha. I do remember being pleasantly surprised with my choices though. It has 425 perks at last count.

It's only complete incompatibilities are other perk mods (like PerMa), it comes working well with most mods out of the box, and the author mentions the ones that may need a patch. In fact, the author, Enai Siaion, makes a lot of good stuff. I also use their Standing Stones mod, Aurora. Annnd actually I think Apocalypse is under their name as well. Here's Ordinator so you can check it out. I think most, possibly all, of the perks are actually written on the Nexus page too.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/68425/?

[stmpunk]

=D thank you very much! I'll make sure to check it out. Since I've being reviewing my Load Order and I am definately getting rid of the most glitchy or needlessly heavy mods it'll be easier to not have to worry about PaMa