CTD When Opening Map ( Solved )

[SilentAegis]

Like the title says. This problem just appeared out of nowhere. What I've tried:


Running LOOT and FNIS
Making the right pane of MO match the left pane of MO. ( I'm not done doing that yet, but so far, still crashes. I also don't feel like this is exactly the problem, but I read it's a good idea. )
Disabling all mods ( Makes me crash when going outside )
Deleting Skyrim.ini ( Causes a crash when loading the save )
Turning down the ScrapHeapSize from 712 to 128
Reinstalling SKSE
Verifying Cache
I looked for the bloodsplatter edit in my Skyrim.ini file, but it isn't there. So that can't be it.


Been trying to solve this problem for 3 days now. When I open the map indoors, no problem. When I go outside, I load in successfully. Open the map outside, crash.


At a total loss right now. What can I do?

[Black Album]

err .... it's make the left pane match the right pane ... not the other way round.
Run Loot again .... and match left to right ... can't hurt to try

[Ilja]

And post both your load order and resource priorities here. If they are long like a Hunger Year, then you can use pastebin, but we can deal with lengthy replies in these posts that are separate from tutorials and guides.

[SilentAegis]

Originally posted by Black Album:

err .... it's make the left pane match the right pane ... not the other way round.
Run Loot again .... and match left to right ... can't hurt to try

Yeah, that's what I meant. My bad.

[SilentAegis]

Originally posted by Ilja:

And post both your load order and resource priorities here. If they are long like a Hunger Year, then you can use pastebin, but we can deal with lengthy replies in these posts that are separate from tutorials and guides.

Resource priorities?

[SilentAegis]

I just reenabled all my mods, ran LOOT, ran FNIS and now I'm crashing upon going outside.



Load order:

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
Evil Lair of Hydra.esm
Dragon Break.esm
SkyMoMod.esm
0db2SECOND.esm
paradise_halls.esm
Sanctum of the Fallen.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
Nephilim.esp
MortalCup.esp
ORS_MorthalPain.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
UndergroundBathhouse.esm
LevelersTower.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
MolagBalsInferno.esm
TERAArmors.esm
EFFCore.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
MagicDuelReborn.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Shadows - Skyrim.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
cleaner_castlevolkihar3.esp
SwordplayFinishers.esp
schwertleite set.esp
serana1.esp
singularitycrush.esp
ts_rogueoutfits.esp
walk.esp
FNIS.esp
ub_cell_bedroom.esp
ub_cell_dislayroom.esp
ub_cell_darkarea.esp
ub_cell_cavern.esp
ub_cell_maintenance_room.esp
ub_cell_kitchen.esp
SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
3DNPC.esp
Naruto - Overhaul.esp
Rebirth Monster.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
conigma-blooddread.esp
daedriccrossbow.esp
vampgirl.esp
Shadows - Dawnguard.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
CastleGrey.esp
ub_cell_teleportroom.esp
RealShelter.esp
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
Skyrim School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
WeaponPack 1.esp
HentaiCreatures.esp
WATER DB Waves.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Victoria Velina Revamped.esp
EFFDialogue.esp
Chaotic Dragons.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
jutsu.esp
conjurationhandfxvanilla.esp
PATCHDragon Break.esp
Colorful_Magic.esp
BDSICHC.esp
Sephina.esp
xamnant.esp
Tame Beast.esp
SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
Vigilant.esp
ssapbwk.esp
SofiaFollower.esp
midas magic expanded.esp
OverflowingEnchant.esp
dutchess.esp
joomasslightning.esp
abundant enchantments.esp
Bijn MERGED.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
BW Beleval.esp
BW Ingjard.esp
Frea.esp
FemaleWerewolf.esp
apex werewolf.esp
vamplord.esp
EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
DeadlyMutilation.esp
palantirbalanced.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
masterthetimeandspacetoggle.esp
quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp
LPBards.esp
TheMadMasker.esp
Sindragosa.esp
0db2patch.esp
Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp
Cirilla.esp
balfer.esp
VioLens.esp
SkyUI.esp
Kate.esp
FEMALE.esp
FlyableDragons.esp
WATER Plants.esp
darkproject.esp
UndergroundBathhouse.esp
Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp
Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp
Follower Neisa.esp
Vampirelordroyal.esp
Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp
Nicoroshi Creations.esp
azureaurasword.esp
grimreapersatanskiss.esp
dragon soul relinquishment.esp
thanatos dragonx.esp
SkyMoMod.esp
ub_cell_armory.esp
ub_npc_rework.esp
ub_tapestry.esp
UIExtensions.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
listernersarmorset.esp
BlackSacramentArmor.esp
Sexy Armor Replacer Patch.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp
Akavari Katana Re_borne.esp
Facelight.esp
P1FlyingRing.esp
Fudou Myouou.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
RSPatch.esp
DragonFastTravelRedone.esp
Elven & SAC Bows.esp
Shadows - Weather Tweaks.esp
Glowing Eyes.esp
SkyrimConfigMenu.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
SuccubusCBBE3GiftByNausicaa.esp
Supreme Storms.esp
DarkKnight&PaladinWS.esp
SevenBase Armors.esp
StarShot.esp
LoversComfort.esp
DarkKnightPaladin.esp
UltimateDragons.esp
wgoulart_Ifrit.esp
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
Differently Ebony.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
DragonboneBarbarianArmor.esp
WATER DG.esp
WATER.esp
ScarletDawnArmor.esp
DemonHunter_Scarf.esp
DemonHunterV2armor.esp
AlynShirArmor.esp
TERA Weapons.esp
Warglaive of Azzinoth.esp
dbsword.esp
private_nokillblur_test.esp
ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
MomijiFollower.esp
dbdagger.esp
Shiamar.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
LustmordVampireArmor.esp
SummonSuccubus.esp
dbbownogloss.esp
montyxdg4hota.esp
pullmastry.esp
dovahkiinrelax.esp
Insanity's Goldbrand.esp
aassassinscraftables.esp
dbarrows.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp
Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp
EoGeom.esp
SuccubusRaceLite.esp
Viconia.esp
Lucretia.esp
Nephilim - EyesUnlocked.esp
Nephilim - HairstylesUnlocked.esp
Daedric Extra Armor.esp
Dovahkiin Mercenary Armor and Weapons CBBE.esp
Animated Enchantments.esp
Elemental_Dragons.esp
TakeNotes.esp
FlameAtronachArmor.esp
FullBootForKKSA.esp
Sunsakuka's Follower.esp
Hikari.esp
Vie Suit Collection.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
SexLabWerewolves.esp
XPMSE.esp
SexLabMatchMaker.esp
SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
LycHairstyler.esp
zzArmormashups.esp
DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
Minerva.esp
anyonefollows2.esp
Elisif Makeover.esp
Moniko.esp
LanyaFollower.esp
FemaleOrcFix.esp
Animated Dragon Wings.esp
BlacktalonArmorV11UNP.esp
TW3_femaleArmors_zzjay.esp
Vivace.esp
Yennefer.esp
Camilla.esp
Taarie.esp
Temba.esp
Adrianne.esp
Carlotta.esp
Gerdur.esp
Hulda.esp
Idgrod the younger.esp
Ingun.esp
Irileth.esp
Karliah.esp
Lisette.esp
Maven.esp
Rikke.esp
Sapphire.esp
Tonilia.esp
Vex.esp
Brawl Bugs CE.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
SLALAnimObj.esp
FEMALE_DLCaddon.esp
SpellChargingFramework.esp
Duel - Combat Realism.esp
Headtracking.esp
Spectraverse - Increased Spell Power.esp
CharacterMakingExtender.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

( The plugins that start with "ub" and the plugins that have the name of an NPC on them are not enabled )

[Ilja]

Originally posted by SilentAegis:

Originally posted by Ilja:

And post both your load order and resource priorities here. If they are long like a Hunger Year, then you can use pastebin, but we can deal with lengthy replies in these posts that are separate from tutorials and guides.

Resource priorities?

Left panel mod list. It is the one that manages resource priorities - order for scripts, textures, meshes etc.

I thought that you would be familiar with the term, seeing that you have been sorting it out.

[SilentAegis]

No, sorry. I've just been told "make sure the left pane of MO matches the right". How would I post that?

[Hurricanethor]

Could be too many mods.

[cfs111]

In \mod organizer\profiles\<your profile> open the modlist.txt file in notepad, delete any mods that have a -, leaving only the +. Then copy and paste that here.

[SilentAegis]

+SL
+More Muscular Men texture normals
+Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves
+Royal Bloodline - Vampire Lord perk tree - abilities - and more
+Enhanced Character Edit
+Spectraverse - Magic of the Magna-Ge
+SkyUI
+Tame the Beasts of Skyrim II
+Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul
+Deadly_Dragons
+Player Headtracking
+Deadly Mutilation V1 3 3 CORE
+Immersive Hentai Creatures 1
+Castle Grey
+VIGILANT
+Oriental Swordsmanship animation of East Asia
+Revenge Of the Enemies 2016
+Duel - Combat Realism
+Spell Charging
+Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim
+Breast Size
+Female Werewolf
+Female Enemy Monster Aesthetics Leveled Encounters
+SLAL
+Enhanced Blood Textures
+Brawl Bugs Patch - Plugins - Modder Resource
+Bijin NPCs
+Bijin Wives
+Bijin Warmaidens
+Yennefer of Vengerberg - The Witcher 3 Voiced Standalone Follower
+Vivace Follower
+FNIS Creature Pack
+Monster Mod
+Witcher 3 Yennefer and Triss armors
+Cirilla (Ciri) Fiona Elen Riannon - Witcher 3 Voiced Follower
+Minerva - Custom High Elf Voiced Follower
+Moniko the Tattooed Beauty
+Skyrim Tanker Neisa
+OverflowingMagic Replacer-only use one file
+Safety Load
+WeaponPack 1
+Immersive Weapons
+Ethereal Elven Overhaul
+Blacktalon
+Animated Dragon Wings
+ChaoticDragons
+SevenBaseArmors
+Ursine7B
+PapyrusUtil - Scripting Utility Functions
+SeveNBase a custom FemaleBodyReplacer
+Sephina The Huntress Standalone Follower v.2
+Lanya Follower
+Avelyn or Elisif
+Make Nearly Anyone Your Follower-Marriagable
+Archery Gameplay Overhaul
+zzjay&#39;s wardrobe
+The Hairstyler
+Warglaive of Azzinoth patch for Dual Sheath Redux
+3DNPC
+TDF
+SexLabMatchMaker
+New Animation for Magic Casting - New Animation for magic cast v0-8
+Young Male Face Texture
+Alt Navetsea UNP Seamless
+Black Subsurface Maps for male FACE and BODY
+Fine Face Textures for Men by Urshi
+XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended
+Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS
+Skyrim Immersive Creatures
+Fuz Ro Doh
+AmorousAdventures
+SexLab Werewolves
+VioLens - A Killmove Mod
+More Nasty Critters
*Unmanaged: LPBards
+Vie
+Hikari UNP CBBE
+Victoria
+sunsakukaFollowers V1
+Follower Commentary Overhaul - FCO
+My Home Is Your Home - a mod for followers
+Killer Keos Skimpy Armor Replacer - UNPB Version
+Shiamar - Orc Follower
+Attack on Sight - Off
+Take Notes - Journal of the Dragonborn
+ZazAnimationPack Patch V0604
+ZazAnimationPack Main V0600
+Elemental Dragons
+Reapers The Dark Tower
+Pretty Sit Idle v1.4
+Pretty Combat Animations
+Enhanced Distant Terrain
+Skyrim HD - 2K Textures
+Inferno- The Blood Marked
+Sofia - The Funny Fully Voiced Follower
+Inferno- Advents of Flame
+Inferno- Envoys of End
+Succubus Race
+Animated Enchantments Overhaul
+Lustrianna Compatibility Patches
+Lady Lucretia - A Succubus Follower
+Eo Geom Summon Swords Ver 1.2 - Lightning Order
+LustDesign - Sovngarde Steel Armor v2 - CBBE_UNP_CHSBHC_ADEC
+Moonlight Tales - Werewolf Essentials
+Deacons Dark Brotherhood Pack
+Insanitys Goldbrand
+Warglaive of Azzinoth -The Twin Blades of Azzinoth-
+TERA Weapons Collection for Skyrim
+Smile in HD
+Female Facial Animation
+Alyn Shir Armor - CBBEv3 - UNP - UNP-BBP
+Demon Hunter Armor V2 - CBBEv3 - UNP
+Scarlet Dawn Armor - CBBEv3 - UNP - 7B Cleavage BBP - CBPE - UNPB BBP
+W.A.T.E.R - Water And Terrain Enhancement Redux
+Dragonbone Barbarian Armor
+Animated Dwemer Lift Load Doors for Dragonborn DLC
+Animated Dwemer Lift Load Doors
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Creatures
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Unique Items
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Dragonborn DLC
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors
+SexLab LoversComfort v20131230
+momiji
+wgoulart_Ifrit Sexy Colection Armor and Wepons Standalone
+Viconia DeVir for Skyrim
+Ultimate HD Fire Effects
+Ultimate Dragons
+Transform
+Thunderchild
+The Mad Masker
+Supreme Storms
+Summon Succubus Twins
+Succubus By Hentai -CBBE3 Gift By Nausicaa
+Static Mesh Improvement Mod
+sp
+Sneak Tools
+Skyrim Spells And Powers By WarriorKeKe
+Phenderix Magic Evolved - 322 Spells
+Skyrim School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
+Summon Sindragosa and Dragon Aspects shouts
*Unmanaged: jutsu
+Skyrim Configuration Menu
+Skyrim - Glowing Eyes v4
+Skyrim - Enhanced Camera Beta
+Shadows
+Sexy Vanilla Female Armor for UNP and SevenBase with BBP
+Rizings Bow Collection
+Real-time Dragon Fast Travel - Dragonborn
+Real Shelter - Full Release
+Power of The Stars
+Nicoroshi Creations
+New Animation for Get Up
+Lustmord Vampire Armor
+Lightning during Thunder Storms
+Kick Bash
+Heart of the Beast - Werewolf Sound and Texture Overhaul
+HDT Physics Extensions
+Fudou Myouou Katana and Tachi
+Forgotten Magic Redone
+Flying Mod Beta
+Face Light
+Dovahkiin Relaxes Too
+Companion Selene Kate - Kiss Me
+Colorful Magic
+Better Shape Creature
+Akavari Katana Reborn
+Skyrim Naruto Anime Overhaul
*Unmanaged: abundant enchantments
*Unmanaged: apex werewolf
*Unmanaged: azureaurasword
*Unmanaged: conigma-blooddread
*Unmanaged: conjurationhandfxvanilla
*Unmanaged: dutchess
*Unmanaged: FlyableDragons
*Unmanaged: grimreapersatanskiss
*Unmanaged: joomasslightning
*Unmanaged: masterthetimeandspacetoggle
*Unmanaged: midas magic expanded
*Unmanaged: montyxdg4hota
+Arise - Chapter 1 - The Black Sacrament
*Unmanaged: palantirbalanced
*Unmanaged: private_nokillblur_test
*Unmanaged: pullmastry
*Unmanaged: quest_andtherealmsofdaedra
*Unmanaged: schwertleite set
*Unmanaged: serana1
*Unmanaged: singularitycrush
*Unmanaged: ssapbwk
*Unmanaged: thanatos dragonx
*Unmanaged: ts_rogueoutfits
*Unmanaged: vampgirl
*Unmanaged: vamplord
*Unmanaged: walk
*Unmanaged: daedriccrossbow
*Unmanaged: dragon soul relinquishment
*Unmanaged: SwordplayFinishers
*Unmanaged: cleaner_castlevolkihar3
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03
+Magic Duel - Reborn
+SexLabAroused V27a
+SexLabFramework v162 FULL
+SOS
+Extensible Follower Framework
+TERA Armors Collection for Skyrim - Male and UNP female
+Molag Bal&#39;s Inferno
+Creature
+HDT HighHeels System
+Levelers Tower v35a
+Underground Bathhouse and Paradise Valley
+ZaZAnimationPack v0611 Patch
+The Oblivion Realms Serie - Morthal Pain
+Nephilim v3.00-63774-3-00
+Sanctum of the Fallen
+Paradise Halls - Skyrim Slavery WIP
+Skyrim Monster Mod compatibility With Tame the Beasts of Skyrim II
+Dragon Break Episodes 1 and 2 - Bad Wolf and The infinity engine
+EVIL LAIR OF HYDRA - PLAYER HOME WITH SEXY GIRLS
+ApachiiSkyHair
+Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch
*Unmanaged: Dragonborn
*Unmanaged: HearthFires
*Unmanaged: Dawnguard

[SilentAegis]

Originally posted by hurricanethor:

Could be too many mods.

The game used to run very well with 255 plugins. However, due to realizing I had too many mods I didn't use, it's now 220+. If my game can handle 255, it should be able to handle that number.

[SilentAegis]

Bumping. :(

[SilentAegis]

I'm not sure what I did, but this is what happened.


I read that for the SKSE memory patch, the scrap heap should be set to 256. So testing that, I decided to switch. Crash on load up. Switched back to 128. Crashed on load up. Looked into my plugins txt file and saw that "Skyrim.esm" was missing. I added it in, loaded it up the game successfully, went outside successfully, walked around a bit, attempted to open the map, crash.

[SilentAegis]

Ok, uh...


Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on. Here's what happened:


A few days ago, I was told that SMME and the SKSE Memory Patch, running those together was a bad idea. So I removed SMME.


Just a couple minutes ago, I added it back in, in the hopes of my problem going away. I loaded up the game, went outside, no issues. I opened up the map. No crash!

Was that bad advice? Is SMME and the SKSE Memory Patch really two things that don't work together? Because for me, I've made drastic progress using them together.

I'll stop posting now and wait for an answer.

[Ilja]

The problem here is that your files are not managed correctly. SKSE memory tweak should replace SMME, unless you have third party tweak that changes it (pointing toward conversation around Crash Fixes, which is occasionally very misleading, because they are actually talking about entirely different things.)

Your Real Shelter files are not being loaded in correct positions in your load order. LOOT does not yet place them correctly. Wrong positions can lead to freezes and crashes.

Your Resource Priority view is bit painful to look at. I do not say that in a bad way, your reply made it obvious that you have not yet fully figured out what it does. I can see that you have tried to sort it out.

MO left panel resource priorities determine with resources - scripts, textures, meshes etc. - win conflicts against other. Those that are loaded further down in you MO left panel view (up in this reversed view) will win conflicts.

This means that examplescript.pex (a) from mod loaded up will loose a conflict against examplescript.pex (b) further down in you MO left panel. Several mods are using modified scripts and scripts with same name may not have fully same content, or merged scripts may be older versions than more modern mods are using. This is why it is important that conflicts are sorted out.

LOOT sorts these files for MO load order view, but left panel view should be sorted manually. It is important to note that MO left panles should be close to right panel, but you will have to decide which files will win conflicts in certain cases. This mostly means textures, where swapping mods around will allow other textures win the conflict.

All your Overwrite output content is unmanaged. I do not see folders for Bashed Patch, Dual Sheath Redux or SKSE (including files for SexLab Framework and HDT.)

Read through this post carefully. Also pay attention to Gopher's video at the end of it. Post should explain how to position Real Shelter files and how to manage your Output data. Gopher's video will visually explain how resource priorities work. (Note that he calls them Mod Priorities, but we have adopted another name in this forum.)

Load order and resource priority basics
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681419356033/

Few more pointers:

• XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended - XMSE should win all conflicts against all other mods. It should be last full mod to load in your MO left panel. Only Output data folders should be loaded after it.
  
  
• You have multiply versions of Zaz Animation Pack. You should only use ZazAnimationPack v61 and ZazAnimationPack v611 Patch. They should be high in your left panel, right after SLA. Right now you have obsolete files ZazAnimationPack Patch V0604 and ZazAnimationPack Main V0600 winning conflicts against ZazAnimationPack v611 Patch, which does not have v61 main.
  
  
• You should not have any files marked as Unmanaged, except official game and DLC files. Resource priorities for unmanaged files do not work properly. Install them through MO. Are some of those files from Workshop? If so, then they need to be managed through MO as well.

You have a small chore in ahead of you. I have not yet finished my breakfast, so I may have missed several conflicts there (and likely did). Sort it out as presented and we will see how your game is behaving and if we spot more problems from it.

It is not actually that tedious process. Unless you burn your whole installation to the ground, then you only need to do it once. When you know where mods should go, you also know how to add and manage new mods in the future. :)

Edit: Feel free to ask more help, if you need it. I will be most of the day near my computer, writing my book and checking this forum every now and then.