Dragonborn: Temple of Miraak - (UPDATE) (SOLVED)

[mpd1958]

For the life of me I can't figure out what the problem is with this quest, let alone a solution that doesn't screw up a large majority of the radiant Dragonborn quests further into the DLC. This has been posted many times here on the forum and I have tried everything I can think of to solve it.

I have reached the end of the temple with Frea and read the black book. I'm transported to Apocrypha and there is Miraak with four Seekers. The Dragon is suppose to land at which time Miraak notices you and starts his dialogue. The peroblem is that the dragon landing never triggers.

The most frustrating part is that I have successfully completed this quest with no glitches in the past.

So what could possibly be causing the problem. I have no mods that effect any part of the Dragonborn/Miraak questline. The mods that I do have that are related/effect the DLC in any way are the mods "Climates of Tamriel", "Wet & Cold", and "Severin Manor Improved" all my other mods effect the base game or other DLCs and most of those are graphics, weapons, clothing and armor.

I have tried resetting Miraak's AI, Disable, Enable, setstage DLC2MQ02 40, 60, 200. I have tried saving/exiting/reloading while in Apocrypha. I was going to try resetting the cell but couldn't figure out the cell ID #?

The problem with the setstage commands is that they progress the quest but leave me unable to move or access any menus. Frea says lets go show my father and walks to the tunnel but I'm frozen in place, no movement functions or anything. All I can do is exit the game or reload to before reading the book. If I setstage to the end of the quest while in the temple then try to pick up the book I get transported to Miraak and can't get back. If I add the book to my inventory with console when it comes time to start "At the Summit of Apocrypha" I end up back at the point where Miraak and the Seekers are standing there.

I wish someone familier with the games coding could figure out what exactly triggers the dragon to land because that seems to be the key to this glitch.

Could waiting too long to start the quest cause it? Could being too OP cause it? I thought the Unofficial Patch/s were suppose to have fixed this?

If anyone can figure out a solution to this glich I will give you a million Septems. I have plenty to spare. lol

[smr1957]

Have you checked http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:The_Temple_of_Miraak ? Not having done this quest, I'm unfamiliar with what happens - the only thing (and it's only a guess), is the following bug listed:

"After reading the Black Book and being teleported to Apocrypha, Miraak may be cut off after the first line "The time comes soon when..." and you then are transported back to the Sanctum unable to move indefinitely. This can be fixed by saving in Apocrypha and then loading afterwards."

Sorry I can't be of more help. Good luck - hope you get it fixed soon!

(Of course, looking at the number of hours you have in game, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you ran into some really random, obscure bug - just based on the law of averages!)

[Bomb Bloke]

It's funny, all sorts of people come through complaining about dragons failing to show up when scripted, but I've yet to spot a specific pattern as to what causes it.

I'm reasonably certain a game mod of some sort would be relevant. Presumably your mods list here is still accurate? Have you ever played with uGridsToLoad?

Personally I'd be tempted to simply drag the dragon over, see what happens:

prid xx031834
moveto player

... where xx is whatever Dragonborn's formID happens to be for you.

[Eternie]

An idea ... something to try at least is clean that save with Skyrim Script cleaner to remove loose scripts that may be causing your problem.
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

It does sound like something is preventing the cutscene from completing normally. I didn't think the dragon landing had anything to do with Miraak's Dialogue and was just a part of a cut scene.

[mpd1958]

@smr1957 - Yes I have been reading everything in the wiki pertaining to my problem for a couple of days. His dialogue isn't cut off though, it just never starts. Thanks though.

@Bomb Bloke - There not respawning either, even after 30 in-game days. (word walls)
As far as mods I have DCO but I have had this problem with and without that mod. I may just give that console command a shot. Is that prid number for Miraak's dragon? (Update - No Go.)

@Eternie - I will give script cleaner a shot as well. The dragons landing may be as you say, just part of the scene, but everytime that my playthroughs have worked properly the dragon has landed and everytime it has glitched the dragon doesn't. I may be making a false assumption but you can see why. (Update - Only 1 orphaned script)

Sorry for not getting back sooner, but I had to take a break before I started using my 9mm on my PC. lol

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by mpd1958:

Is that prid number for Miraak's dragon? (Update - No Go.)

Yes it was, and even if it didn't get you "back on track", the command should've done something. Maybe try throwing in an "enable" after the prid line?

Originally posted by mpd1958:

I will give script cleaner a shot as well.

Be sure to revert to backup if it doesn't work. That script cleaner comes with side effects, in my experience.

[mpd1958]

Bomb Bloke, it did have an effect. The dragon swooped in from behind me, picked me up and dropped me in front of Miraak and the Seekers, but still no dialogue or progression.

I have decided to just end my playthrough and start over. I have removed Skyrim Unbound and Dragon Combat Overhaul to see if maybe it has to do with either of those mods. I will progess rapidly to the point where the cultists show up and go to the Dragonborn questline then and there. Kind of an experiment.

[mpd1958]

UPDATE: Well I have found that it was the Skyrim Unbound mod that was causing the original problem. I removed the mod and started a new game. Worked my way to the Dragonborn quest and went through the whole thing without a hitch. That is until I returned to Apocrypha to battle Miraak.

We start our fight and with dagger and spells I finally weaken him to the point where he goes ethereal for the first time and re-emerges from the central pool and kills one of his dragons for it's soul to regain his health. The problem is that he re-emerges from the pool at full health and never kills his dragon and remains ethereal in the central pool. He does not re-engage in combat, he just stands there.

I have tried all the suggested commands, save & reload, plus a few other things. Have restarted the engagement numerous times. Even done the setstage thing. Nothing works!

Anyone have a reliable sollution?

[mpd1958]

UPDATE: Tried again and this time I noticed that when he re-emerges from the central pool all the effects of him absorbing a dragon soul are present but the dragon never landed and there is no corps/bones on the ground, but one of his dragons is nolonger flying arround the summit. They were both there while he was delivering his speech prior to combat.

[Solomon Hawk]

in a word: Mods are dangerous to your Skyrim.

[mpd1958]

Originally posted by Vahlok Ro Tiid:

in a word: Mods are dangerous to your Skyrim.

That's six words!!

[Solomon Hawk]

Sorry, I lose count when using 16 fingers.

[mpd1958]

I use my elbows.

[Grogu]

Try moving around the area if you can and teleport Miraak to you. Maybe if he is teleported to a certain spot it will trigger something.

target him with console open to get his refid, then type moveto player in console.

[mpd1958]

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Try moving around the area if you can and teleport Miraak to you. Maybe if he is teleported to a certain spot it will trigger something.

target him with console open to get his refid, then type moveto player in console.

I'll give it a shot.

[mpd1958]

Originally posted by mpd1958:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Try moving around the area if you can and teleport Miraak to you. Maybe if he is teleported to a certain spot it will trigger something.

target him with console open to get his refid, then type moveto player in console.

I'll give it a shot.

Didn't work.