Unarmed combat bug

[Sigma Male]

Guys what to do when i start unarmed fight in the quest like unarmed fight with Carlotta's men when his hp go down a little bit he starts to use dagger like if i fight with Uthgerd the unbroken when her hp drop down she starts to use two handed weapons and at the end i killed her but doesnt add bounty in Whiterun .
Sorry for the mistakes

[Ilja]

You have a magical effect around you. This may be invisible and coming from either vanilla game or a mod. When polling event from the effect hits the opponet, they consider themselves being under magical attack. This turns the brawl in to a real combat.

This mod aims to fix it.

Modern Brawl Bug Fix by Enai Siaion
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/77465/?

[Ilja]

Originally posted by Admiral Dinosaur:

I had a similiar thing.
Wasnt a magic bug, i had no magical effects whatsoever.
I cleared out all the mods i had that affected them in any way.
Thats fixed it now.

It was a magical effect. They just do not appear in your active effect list, because they are being excluded from there.

Mods are using the cloak effect to check and change NCPs variables. They are invisible to player, because having 3-6 visual effects constantly flying around them would be very annoying and pointless.

Game itself still registers them as magical effects and brawling NPCs consider them as magical attacks. This is why the original Brawl Bugs Patch was included to several mods. This mod is more up to date version of the old fix.

[Ilja]

Originally posted by Admiral Dinosaur:

Nothing was magically affected.
For me there was an appearance mod, and an equipment mod.
No magic

Which Equipment mod? It might important that I know, in case there is something that needs to be added to fixes.

Edit: If the mod was equipping items to NPCs, then it WAS using a magic cloak effect to do so.

[Sigma Male]

Ty this seems to fix my problem :)

[Ilja]

Originally posted by Admiral Dinosaur:

Ai'ght, you lost me.

The magic cloak effect does not need to have something to do with actual magic or magic related mods. It is a method used by game and mods to target NPCs. Cloak polls either periodically, or during cell changes, checking NPCs in it's reach and setting their equipment or other variables, depending on what it was meant to do.

This is what we mean by "script heavy" mods. Term has nothing to do with amount of scripts you have in your mods, but how active they are. The more mods with polling events you have the more work Papyrus scripting system needs to do - making it more prone to slow down or fail.

If this polling effect hits any brawling NPCs, then they do not understand that it is not an actual magic attack against them. They consider that your character is using magic to attack them and act accordingly.

It is just an oversight from Bethesda. They did not figure out that peoples would use custom invisible magic cloak effects as we do in our mods, so they did not figure out make NPCs to know the difference between harmful and harmless event. This mod fixes that, allowing NCPs to determine that harmless magical cloak effect polling them is not an attack, so they will not go hostile from it.

Originally posted by UMSBlue diamond:

Ty this seems to fix my problem :)

Good to hear. :)

[Rogue]

I never thought it was a glitch. As in real life a person losing a fight will often draw a weapon.

[Liro Raériyo]

Originally posted by Old Codger:

I never thought it was a glitch. As in real life a person losing a fight will often draw a weapon.

Yeah.. a fight to the death maybe... not a punch up for some gold...

[Kammakazzy]

Only posting on this because it’s one of the first things that came up on google when I searched it. I tested it thoroughly, and I’ve found about a 100% success rate if they throw the first punch. I think the game simply doesn’t recognize the brawl until then. Please let me know if anyone has exceptions to this.