At The Summit Of Apocrypha: Game breaking bug, known solutions did not fix it

[Ghost]

I took a break from Skyrim for oh.. maybe a year or more? My computer hates me for running it and now I think it's punishing me for starting it up again.

I started two new files upon starting to play again. My first file I decided to finish the main questline before starting any Dragonborn quests. Went through it all fine, finished the main questline of the Dragonborn DLC, all is well and good.

However, I decided with my other file to do the DLC before finishing the main questline. The Dragonborn DLC is truly my favorite and I wanted to experience it again. Everything was going okay until I came to the At The Summit of Apocrypha. I was pumped and I was ready to destroy Miraak and complete it all a second time.

I'm gonna be fairly detailed here because I want this to be solved, it's making me wanna give up on Skyrim once and for all.

The battle was going well until the first thing I noticed was when Sahrotaar landed to have his soul obsorbed by Miraak, instead of attacking Miraak before he died, he turned to me and attacked. It was weird, but I didn't think it would be anything more. So I brought Miraak to the last of his health and he disappeared into the green goop where he should've been killed by Hermaeus Mora. But after a while of waiting, I realized he wasn't even gonna come up out of the goop in the center. I wasn't panicking yet, I just simply reloaded my quicksave before the battle started. Did it all again, got to that same point again, and to my relief, the dragon man was brought out of the goop and stabbed by a goopy tentacle. Hermaeus Mora appeared and I yet again waited for the story to progress like it should have.

It didn't.

I sat there, watching Miraak on the edge of death and Hermaeus Mora I guess just enjoying watching him suffer or something. Despite my frustration, I went on and reloaded to try it all again to see it that would fix it like last time. Nope. The same thing happened and I was rather upset. I'm not sure how many times I reloaded and did that battle over again. After a while, I closed the game and looked through all my mods, made sure the load orders were all good, even though the only mod I have that messes with anything Dragonborn is the Legendary Unofficial Patch, and tried again. No difference.

I gave up and made a rash decision to load a save I made before even entering the Temple of Miraak. At the very least, I don't think the Dragonborn questline is my favorite anymore now that I've had to power through it just to get back to the battle with Miraak again.

Oh my lord was I distraught when the exact same bug happened upon "defeating" Miraak. I finally remembered the internet existed and looked up a solution to this bug. I enabled and disabled Miraak and set the stages 500 and then 580. I was so relieved to see Miraak finally die and Hermaeus Mora finally go away but I was met with another disappointment. The alter never came up. I proceeded to enter the stage 580 a few more times, but it still did not appear. I gave up and read Waking Dreams and returned to Skaal Village, just wanting it all to be over even if I wasn't able to erase some perks (even tho I really wanted to).

I had to step away from the computer for a moment when I found all the Skaal still surrounding Storn and mourning him. I reloaded my quicksave one last time, did the battle /one last time/ and then found a different command to use for the setting stages. I did 550 and then 580. Miraak actually left a skeleton this time, but nothing else changed and it was all still the same.

TLDR; Experienced the bug where Miraak is stuck under the goop and reloaded, Miraak now left the goop but was stuck after being stabbed by the tentacle and Herma Mora did not speak. Reloaded all the way back before even entering the Temple of Miraak with Frea and went /all/ the way back to have it still happening. Used console commands to set stage but the alter would not appear and the Skaal were still mourning Storn.

I am at a loss and I need some help here. I wanted to get this quest done before a huge storm hit my area, but I don't think it's gonna get finished before that. I have no doubt my power will be going out and I have no idea how long it will be, so I'm sorry if I'm unable to reply to anyone for a while.

EDIT: I forgot to mention I can provide all the mods I use if needed because I really don't use that many at all. If it comes to it, I can also provide the save file that is having the issue as my other file seems to not be affected whatsoever.

[Eternie]

I think you need to delete your current save and reload a save before you met miraak.
Slow down trying to kill him, he dies by Hermaeous Mora killing him, after he has absorbed the souls of all three dragon's. Try not to take him down less than half his health.

You virtually need to let him do all that so the scripts running the game don't glitch out. UESP will have all info on battling Miraak if you want to look it up.

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Eternie:

I think you need to delete your current save and reload a save before you met miraak.
Slow down trying to kill him, he dies by Hermaeous Mora killing him, after he has absorbed the souls of all three dragon's. Try not to take him down less than half his health.

You virtually need to let him do all that so the scripts running the game don't glitch out. UESP will have all info on battling Miraak if you want to look it up.

I dunno if I kinda worded badly, but I did reload a while back before meeting him, like just before entering Miraak's temple with Frea. I've done the battle with Miraak on in the past on other files so I know how the battle goes, but this character I have is almost level 50 and can finish the first phase of the battle rather quickly.. so I think I will try to slow down with the battle and see if that changes anything. If no one turns out to have a solution, I may just load a save way back before even entering Solsthiem which would suck because I've done all the quests in Raven Rock and Tel Mithryn. Honestly, I worry that might not even fix it at this point.

[Eternie]

Any probalem you have can usually be fixed by reading up the appropriate heading at UESP.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:At_the_Summit_of_Apocrypha
The bugs section at the bottom often lists problems that others have had. And then give possible solutions

As it mentions there if you have the latest unofficial patches may change how it plays out for you. Just as you replay just the battle Don't try to kill him quickly at L50 you can kill him and break how it is meant to go!

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Eternie:

Any probalem you have can usually be fixed by reading up the appropriate heading at UESP.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:At_the_Summit_of_Apocrypha
The bugs section at the bottom often lists problems that others have had. And then give possible solutions

As it mentions there if you have the latest unofficial patches may change how it plays out for you. Just as you replay just the battle Don't try to kill him quickly at L50 you can kill him and break how it is meant to go!

I have tried all the at least similar fixes to my problem, but as stated before, they only gave me new problems.

I tried to take a bit more time with the battle, used a much weaker weapon, but.. it didn't change a thing. However, I ended up dying once and I found it rather interesting that instead of actually dying, I knelt down and up in the corner it said "You can't continue fighting" like it does normally when you're in apocrypha, but I know it definitely shouldn't be doing that during the fight with Miraak. This whole situation is really just... weird.

I've decided I'm going to try to finish the main questline and see if that fixes the problem at all since my other file had it completed before doing this one. I don't know why it would make a difference, but I'm desperate at this point.

[DrSuperEvil]

I just kill the three dragons first while my summons play with mirrak and then let them finish him off.

[Eternie]

@ GlitchhWitch
"I tried to take a bit more time with the battle, used a much weaker weapon, but.. it didn't change a thing. However, I ended up dying once and I found it rather interesting that instead of actually dying, I knelt down and up in the corner it said "You can't continue fighting" like it does normally when you're in apocrypha, but I know it definitely shouldn't be doing that during the fight with Miraak. This whole situation is really just... weird.

To me that sounds like some other mods effecting the outcome; unless you have the latest USLEEP update and that has changed how the battle ends. Sounds like a mod that has given you essential status?

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Eternie:

@ GlitchhWitch
"I tried to take a bit more time with the battle, used a much weaker weapon, but.. it didn't change a thing. However, I ended up dying once and I found it rather interesting that instead of actually dying, I knelt down and up in the corner it said "You can't continue fighting" like it does normally when you're in apocrypha, but I know it definitely shouldn't be doing that during the fight with Miraak. This whole situation is really just... weird.

To me that sounds like some other mods effecting the outcome; unless you have the latest USLEEP update and that has changed how the battle ends. Sounds like a mod that has given you essential status?

I do have the lastest USLEEP.. I have wondered if I should disable that mod and see what happens.. but I just don't know how it would affect the game to have it disabled outside of that quest.
I don't have any mod that would give me essential status, I don't think. However, I do have a mod that makes certain citizens essential but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't mess with this quest?

here's a list of all my mods and the order theyre loaded in

5 5 Campfire.esm
6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
7 7 SkyUI.esp
8 8 RaceMenu.esp
9 9 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
10 a Frostfall.esp
11 b LovelyHairstylesLITE.esp
12 c HerbalTea.esp
13 d FISS.esp
14 e SkyTweak.esp
15 f weightless soul gems v1.esp
16 10 lightweight_ingredients_all_dlc.esp
17 11 lightweight_ingots_and_ores.esp
18 12 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
19 13 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
20 14 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
21 15 Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp
22 16 Weapons & Armor_DragonPriestMasks.esp
23 17 iNeed.esp
24 18 iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
25 19 GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp
26 1a Cloaks.esp
27 1b WetandCold.esp
28 1c WetandCold - Ashes.esp
29 1d NPCs Protected Redux.esp
30 1e shezrieshfkitchen.esp
31 1f shezrieswinstadhearthfirekitchen.esp
32 20 ShezrieWinstadGreenhouse.esp
33 21 Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
34 22 Nightingale Hall.esp
35 23 Ash Pile Expiration.esp
36 24 Battlemage Armour.esp
37 25 Dark Triss Armour.esp
38 26 Beards.esp
39 27 Brows.esp