why do people hate vanilla skyrim?

[Üügä Büügä]

its nice ;-;

[Don't feed the ducks™]

引用自 Brandybuck：

It's like vanilla ice cream. Some people will take the ice cream by itself. Some people will put a few nuts on, or some berries. But others will toss the whole thing away in the trash and eat a bowl full of pudding instead, and demean all those who like vanilla ice cream. They will specifically join vanilla ice cream forums just to belittle it.

I don't think anyone demeans people who play vanilla Skyrim. The pudding part I didn't get. I got that the nuts and berries on top of the ice cream represented mods but you lost me at pudding.

[EbonHawk]

引用自 Don't feed the ducks™：

引用自 Brandybuck：

It's like vanilla ice cream. Some people will take the ice cream by itself. Some people will put a few nuts on, or some berries. But others will toss the whole thing away in the trash and eat a bowl full of pudding instead, and demean all those who like vanilla ice cream. They will specifically join vanilla ice cream forums just to belittle it.

I don't think anyone demeans people who play vanilla Skyrim. The pudding part I didn't get. I got that the nuts and berries on top of the ice cream represented mods but you lost me at pudding.

Say, they'll play Snuggle Truck instead of Skyrim, for instance. Meaning it's not their cup of tea (or pudding, as the case may be).

[Midnight Meows]

There's a lot of idiocy in vanilla Skyrim. Lack of choices, a complete lack of A.I. from enemies and companions, wacky-as-hell balance issues (dragons easily die to mud crabs and bears), the world is plastic / unchanging, the guards and other NPCs are reptitive and annoying, the world is very empty, there is almost no variation in the appearance of animals, monsters, or NPCs.... and on and on.

That's all before getting into how bugged the game can get without the unofficial patches.

[Eludium]

Only thing I hate at vanilla is the character and NPC looking. I ONLY have 20-30 mods for character enhancement (UNP, UNPB, UN7B, ApachiiSkyHair, ECE etc.), but anything else is pure vanilla (except the Unofficial patches and SkyUI, these are a MUST, trust me) ;)
So I'm with you man, vanilla is nice! No need for mods if you like how the people look like..

[Woodhouse]

Its not that we hate the game, its that we <3 mods

[BelphegorATS]

引用自 gardthethive：

Because morrowind is better.

Morrowind is a good game, I'm in full agreement with that. However, that doesn't mean it is a better game than Skyrim because of how it handled the gameplay and plot. I've just started a playthrough of Morrowind myself, so I can't say anything about its story. What I can say is its gameplay is not as strong regarding magic in combat, and that's my personal experience with Morrowind's magic system. Neither is Skyrim's magic experience, but it's certainly a lot easier for mage characters in both it and its predecessor, Oblivion. Stealth and pure combat also are strong points of all three games in my opinion, though you'll likely need a bow to excel at the stealth in Morrowind from the beginning until your sneak skill is pretty good.

[Brandybuck]

引用自 gardthethive：

Because morrowind is better.

I miss the superior Morrowind combat. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Hit. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Hit. And all the options! You could jab with a mace if you wanted to! Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Jab. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Jab. What fun!

[Don't feed the ducks™]

引用自 EbonHawk：

引用自 Don't feed the ducks™：

I don't think anyone demeans people who play vanilla Skyrim. The pudding part I didn't get. I got that the nuts and berries on top of the ice cream represented mods but you lost me at pudding.

Say, they'll play Snuggle Truck instead of Skyrim, for instance. Meaning it's not their cup of tea (or pudding, as the case may be).

Hmmm I think I know you from somewhere. I thought this whole thread was about a modded Skyrim in comparison to a vanilla Skyrim. Not other games.

So the pudding has been eaten then. I ate your pudding with custard.

[EbonHawk]

引用自 Don't feed the ducks™：

引用自 EbonHawk：

Say, they'll play Snuggle Truck instead of Skyrim, for instance. Meaning it's not their cup of tea (or pudding, as the case may be).

Hmmm I think I know you from somewhere. I thought this whole thread was about a modded Skyrim in comparison to a vanilla Skyrim. Not other games.

So the pudding has been eaten then. I ate your pudding with custard.

I was just trying to help you find your way back to the pudding. That's all.

[Poobah Gorg]

Without the unofficial patches, many of the quests can very easily become uncompletable. Take a good look on UESP Wiki sometime, you'll be amazed at how often you see "fixed by Unofficial Patch #.##."

Other patches are like sprinkles IMO. I love a lot of them, but the unofficial patches are downright NECESSARY to fully appreciate the game for me. It's a shame that Steam won't host 'em in the workshop due to their size. So many players here won't follow those links to Nexus to get 'em.

[bob]

Because it's a 4/10 at best without mods.
The right mods can make it an 8/10.

Because when something from over a decade ago does a better job, there's no such thing as "good".

[Rhuto]

From reading some posts in this (and other threads) I many times wonder if Skyrim is delivered in a lot of different "vanilla setups".

They call it bugs, when it is lack of personal preferences?
They call it unplayebal when a collective press have given it an average score of 85 %, and most of the players who play the vanilla game say the same.

Is it Beth with a great purse that pay for these scores, or have they delivered out different games.

Do scores from press/playesr tell anything at all?
Do a sale of 25 millions copy, which mostly are not able to be modded, tell about a crappy game?

I am NOT saying that there is none bug in Skyrim, as it is in almost every game.

But I think many of you who complain don't have anything betterto do, you try to look important...you try to tell that your opinion is the true one...you have heard from other that this is a crappy game...then it must be.

It is now almost 3 years since release.....the whole time Skyrim has been on Steam's list over most playd game....how on earth can a bug ridden game manage that? If this is the truth, then the rest of the game industry can close down, because they can't manage to deliver a product close to what Elder scroll serie has managed.

I agree that mods enchant the game....I love them .....but that is not the issue....80% of all who play Skyrim play Vanilla game!

[lolschrauber]

引用自 Gaweyne：

I keep hearing it's buggy but haven't encountered one bug in 350 hours ;O
Vanilla is my favourite flavour of Skyrim IMO

I have an annoying bug that when I go anywhere near my weight limit (about 350/400), it always says I'm carrying too much when loading a save. I have to open the inventory or draw/sheath my weapon to fix this. However, after loading again it happens again.

["lil" poon]

引用自 Rhuto：

From reading some posts in this (and other threads) I many times wonder if Skyrim is delivered in a lot of different "vanilla setups".

They call it bugs, when it is lack of personal preferences?
They call it unplayebal when a collective press have given it an average score of 85 %, and most of the players who play the vanilla game say the same.

Is it Beth with a great purse that pay for these scores, or have they delivered out different games.

Do scores from press/playesr tell anything at all?
Do a sale of 25 millions copy, which mostly are not able to be modded, tell about a crappy game?

I am NOT saying that there is none bug in Skyrim, as it is in almost every game.

But I think many of you who complain don't have anything betterto do, you try to look important...you try to tell that your opinion is the true one...you have heard from other that this is a crappy game...then it must be.

It is now almost 3 years since release.....the whole time Skyrim has been on Steam's list over most playd game....how on earth can a bug ridden game manage that? If this is the truth, then the rest of the game industry can close down, because they can't manage to deliver a product close to what Elder scroll serie has managed.

I agree that mods enchant the game....I love them .....but that is not the issue....80% of all who play Skyrim play Vanilla game!

Scores are irrelevant, because they're largely influenced by time. Skyrim received a lot of hype beforehand, and was incredibly well received for the first few weeks after its release. However, as with most games the novelty wears off after a while and you have to press on without a feeling of 'new and interesting'. Skyrim's rating success stems largely from that feeling. It's one of its kind after all. So any new edition of a TES game is going to receive a lot of praise because it's generally always an improvement in terms of graphics, immersion and content.
Sales are related to both review scores and marketing, they are completely unrelated to the quality of a game. I don't think i need to explain why that is?

Also, let's not forget that people here (including me) love to complain about the shortcomings of a game, but that doesn't mean they/we don't enjoy playing it. I loved morrowind, but i hated a lot of things about it. I loved oblivion, but i hated a lot of things about it. I love skyrim, but i hate a lot of things about it.

And as for mods, and your comment relating to the stable playerbase; Ii don't think you're right in dismissing them so easily. After all, Todd Howard (aka Dante, aka Lucifer, aka he who shall not be named - but that's a story for a different time, children) himself expressed his appreciation for the modding community and how they are able to greatly enhance the quality and longevity (!) of the game. Mods and TES go hand-in-hand, and thankfully Bethesda realizes this.

[Daddy Shark]

It's a great game in vanilla form. Some people like regular vanilla and couldn't imagine tainting the purity with any other toppings. Some people love sprinkles and fudge and nuts on their vanilla. That's OK, too.

That's what makes this game so great. It can be any flavor you want.