The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

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Eludium 20/ago./2014 às 6:59
Why joining the Imperials? (little mind exercise)
Okay so we all know the Thalmor have corrupted Skyrim. They are idiot elves who came here in Skyrim to conquer her, and also to ban the worship of Talos! If they aren't the worst thing ever in TES series, then I don't know what. And Imperials are HELPING them. Don't know if because they are also traitors, or because they are scared of the stupid elves (who apparently locked down the Thalmor Embassy, probably because they're scared of facing ''visitors'').
I understand if you don't like Stormcloaks. It's okay. But I can't see no good in Imperials. I was neutral about them, but after finding out they are helping the worst guild in the world, now that's just unacceptable. Post your opinions on the comments. Give me a good reason why is it good to help the freakin' Elves who come over human's land..
Última edição por Eludium; 20/ago./2014 às 7:00
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Dragazhar 20/ago./2014 às 8:36 
You are the dragonborn... you "Spoiler Alert" DB questline.. spoiler of spoilers. why not just get be the next _______ and unify the empire against the thalmor. End the war.. Show Ulfric a dossier you found in the "spoiler alert" thalmor embasy.. unite the empire... done.

/sigh wishful thinking on my part... Curse you Bethesda for stopping content support of Skyrim!
Última edição por Dragazhar; 20/ago./2014 às 8:37
Ilja 20/ago./2014 às 8:54 
You guys have read the lore enough to know what the Great War was about?
- Thalmor demanded that Empire would ban the Talos worship.
- Empire refused and told them to crawl back to where they came from.
- Dominion initiated war against the Empire.
- Empire was partially victorious, but lost too much forces to win the war.

- Emperor had two options: 
1. Keep fighting until Thalmor would win the war and dictate the future of the Empire.
2. Initiate the pace negotiations, while Empire had taken it's last victories and dictate the conditions for the negotiations.

- From options above, Titus Mede II decided to initiate negotiations after the important victory in Battle of the Red Ring. White-Gold Concordat was signed soon after that.

- Ulfric fought in the war, but was imprisoned by the Thalmor. They fed his hatred toward Empire and finally let him loose on Skyrim. One of his first moves was to wage war against Forsworn, by the request of the jarl or Markarth. He was victorious, but instead of forging peace in the area, Ulfric let his troops to brutally torture and murder native bretons, to enforce the Nord rule in the hold. This turned Forsworn against all Nords and drove them to mountains as third - or fourth - side of the conflict.

I really can't blame Titus for signing the White-Gold Concordat. While Stormcloaks keep babbling about how the Empire lets Thalmor to walk around Skyrim, they forget that Empire went war against Thalmor for Talos. If the Empire would have not won the Battle of the Red Ring, Thalmor would be in Skyrim with Dominion forces.

I really can't see what else Titus could have done, when it got obvious that Dominion would eventually win the war.
Última edição por Ilja; 20/ago./2014 às 9:01
Eludium 20/ago./2014 às 9:23 
I might be stupid, but what does Forsworn have to do with Thalmor?
Azrahan 20/ago./2014 às 9:25 
Escrito originalmente por Asteo600:
I might be stupid, but what does Forsworn have to do with Thalmor?

The forsworn don't have much to do with the thalmor beyond the fact that they could have been an aiding force in fighting the thalmor in skyrim, rather than being yet another side hostile to the nords/empire if they teamed up rather than fighting amongst themselves like idiots.
BullBars1 20/ago./2014 às 9:27 
If Ulfric had started his revolt without shouting the king to death/murdering the High King, Talos worship shouldn't be banned anymore than eating KD everyday.
He was a coward to kill an unarmed king with the shout and who taught Ulfric to shout anyway.....Greybeards?
No, it had to be a Nord or a dragon who wanted to start a revolt.
Signing the treaty actually saved many lives when the Thalmor surprise attacked the Imperial City there no choice.
Delta 1038 20/ago./2014 às 9:38 
Escrito originalmente por rbull:
If Ulfric had started his revolt without shouting the king to death/murdering the High King, Talos worship shouldn't be banned anymore than eating KD everyday.
He was a coward to kill an unarmed king with the shout and who taught Ulfric to shout anyway.....Greybeards?
No, it had to be a Nord or a dragon who wanted to start a revolt.
Signing the treaty actually saved many lives when the Thalmor surprise attacked the Imperial City there no choice.

- King Torygg wasn't unarmed, just outmatched. If you ask around, Torygg wasn't even that great of a king or rather he was an unremarkable king who would join the rebellion should Ulfric just asked him. However to be fair, when you meet Torygg again in Sovngarde, he states that he does not regret fighting Ulfric because he died with honour. He did however regret leaving his wife.

- Ulfric started the revolt after Jarl Igmund stabbed him in the back after the Markath Incident. Plus the dragons weren't back yet/just didn't care about the affairs of the Joor.

- This one is very grey. To set the records straight, I am a pro-Imperial. In every one of my runs, the only time I play against the Empire is by being neutral. Now that's out of the way. the common Imperial reason/excuse for signing the White-Gold Concord is to protect their way of life.

Now aren't the Stormcloaks in the same exact situation as the Empire was? Either do something horrible or risk the extermination of your way of life.

Friggo Foppen 20/ago./2014 às 9:38 
The imperials have more money that you can steal. :)
Azrahan 20/ago./2014 às 9:38 
Escrito originalmente por rbull:
If Ulfric had started his revolt without shouting the king to death/murdering the High King, Talos worship shouldn't be banned anymore than eating KD everyday.
He was a coward to kill an unarmed king with the shout and who taught Ulfric to shout anyway.....Greybeards?
No, it had to be a Nord or a dragon who wanted to start a revolt.
Signing the treaty actually saved many lives when the Thalmor surprise attacked the Imperial City there no choice.

The greybeards -did- teach him to shout. copy/paste from the wiki following:

As a boy, Ulfric was chosen by the Greybeards to study with them at High Hrothgar. He trained with them for almost ten years and developed his skills in the Way of the Voice. He was to become a Greybeard himself, but his life took a different path when the Great War began in 4E 171. Ulfric felt compelled to help the war effort and left High Hrothgar to join the Imperial Legion,[3] much to the disdain of Arngeir, who believed that the Way of the Voice should only be used for the worship of Kynareth.[4]

He started the revolt because he believed skyrim was basically rolling over and becoming weak by not fighting the empire whom he percieved to be weak for giving in to the elves rather than fighting to the last man. There was no dragon or nord pushing him to it.
Mormacil 20/ago./2014 às 10:12 
Just Thalmor jailers/masters of torture.

Escrito originalmente por Asteo600:
I might be stupid, but what does Forsworn have to do with Thalmor?
The Thalmor have much to gain by a second civil war of the Forsworn vs Skyrim. The Forsworn and their Hagravens represent a large part of the magical force of Skyrim. There Breton heritage gives them quite an edge against the Thalmor compared to the Nords. Sure the Nords have the Way of the Voice but this is a difficult to master school of magic with a tiny amount of practitioners.
Elaini 20/ago./2014 às 10:20 
Escrito originalmente por SpeedFreak:
I like neither of them however imperials is for me the lesser of 2 evils in this case .... and don't forget probably the Nords can kick the thalmor out of Skyrim however for how long? An united empire is still a lot stronger then skyrim alone ....

So would be a union of the Empire and independent Skyrim. They don't have to be under the same government to accomplish a union.

But with the civil war going on, I think healing the wounds after the Stormcloaks would take too long to get in the point of action if the independent Skyrim happens. It would give the Thalmor too much time to plan and act.

While there's something good in the idea of the Stormcloaks (independence), their timing to make a war is the worst possible. Their reaction is too rash when planning and tactics are most called for, and they have chosen emotions over cold sense.
Última edição por Elaini; 20/ago./2014 às 10:26
The Filth 20/ago./2014 às 12:47 
Escrito originalmente por Delta 1038:
Escrito originalmente por rbull:
Now aren't the Stormcloaks in the same exact situation as the Empire was? Either do something horrible or risk the extermination of your way of life.
♥♥♥♥. You're completley right.
barca10forlife 20/ago./2014 às 12:54 
i think if skyrim be came independent it would criple the empire and then the thalor coulud mach into cryodill and destory the birth place of man in nern
Ilja 20/ago./2014 às 13:21 
Problem is, that I do not see Stormcloaks representing Skyrim. I see them representing the ideal of Nords of Skyrim.

There are other citizens in Skyrim than Nords. By his very actions, Ulfric makes clear that he is not interested of "Skyrim" itself, but his idea of it. Furthermore, not all Nords and holds of Skyrim support Ulfric's actions. During aftermatch, if Imperial forces win the Civil War, only citizens of Windhelm express bitterness.

I don't consider Ulfric's rebellion as a war to free Skyrim from Empire, but separate Nords from rest of the Empire. He leaves his own would-be-subjects - beast races, native Bretons etc. - in harms way, while many of them (especially Forsworn Bretons) are born citizens of Skyrim.

His view of Nords is also one sided, as Main Quest reveals. Fate of Rikke is a good example of that. You can meet Rikke in Sovngarde, on her way to Hall of Valor, if she was slain during the CW. While opposing Ulfric - who also ends up in the Hall of Valor - in life, she is considered as true nord in afterlife and is granted a place among heroes.

This is, of course, my personal opinion, but if man is too fond if his own ideas and ideals to serve all his subjects, then that man can go to hell.
Mormacil 20/ago./2014 às 13:35 
Escrito originalmente por barca10forlife:
i think if skyrim be came independent it would criple the empire and then the thalor coulud mach into cryodill and destory the birth place of man in nern
What? Men landed from Atmora in Skyrim. Then marched south and got enslaved.
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