According to Akatosh Talos indeed is a part of the Nine...

[Elaini]

...and tells to serve and worship the Nine, instead of only Eight.

But did the decision from the Eight to make Talos as Ninth come halfway of his path?

Or was Talos destined or meant to be a deity instead of human when he was born, to begin with?

[BelphegorATS]

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Tiber Septim mantled Lorkhan.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Mantling

The wikia does mention it as a possibility, but it also brings up those questions it was referring to at the bottom of that bit concerning Tiber Septim and Lorkhan.

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The whole concept of Skyrim pretty much is about what you stated above ... and a touch of "racism". Elves have their say, Nords have their say ... and the Khajiits ... the Orcs ... etc. Even when choosing sides: Imperial or Stormcloaks ... truth is, both sides are "wrong" and both sides are "right" ... just depends on where we look at the factions.

Exactly, each race has its own values system, beliefs, and norms they adhere to should they so choose. The individual does have say in the matter and may determine which decision he or she may make concerning this, but often peer pressure may induce the person to side in favor of the homeland rather than what the individual wants. Racism can be a byproduct of it because people of different ethnic backgrounds can live in the same country and thus be referred to as countrymen. Any ethnic tension could potentially turn them against one another in favor of their people, individuals they consider to be their kinsmen because they're of the same ethnicity. That is more or less how civilizations split into separate societies based on their own separate value systems, beliefs, norms, etc. and the process may repeat itself again in each society.

[BelphegorATS]

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Tiber/Hjalti was born a shezarrine, which is an avatar of Shezarr/Lorkhan. So he was a bit divine from the beginning, before the enantiomorph. According to the Arcturian Heresy, Talos is the amalgamation of Tiber Septim, Zurin Arctus and Wulfharth. These three souls are indistinguishable from one another and make the oversoul that is Talos the divine.

Or as Kirkbride puts it:

1. Wulfharth L
2. Hjalti O
3. Ysmir R
4. Talos K
5. Arctus H
6. Septim A
N

Though we've known since Morrowind that Talos is a true Divine.

That's quite an interesting theory. I suppose Talos could be considered six to seven individuals in one deity if we were to go by it. My only question is who the N represents since the other letters of Lorkhan's name are represented by heroes throughout Tamriel's history. Which hero would represent the N in your opinion?

[Spec]

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Ah, I didn't notice it was you, GThe Cure. Please behave more appropriately this time instead of attacking others with insults. Don't try to force your opinions and arguments onto us because we don't like that or appreciate it. Follow the rules of online etiquette here. I'm only saying this in advance because of what happened in the thread on the Daedric Lords' alignment. Anyone who was involved with that thread in one way or another doesn't want to go through that again, so I'm asking you nicely to behave properly. Granted, I can't speak for everyone, but I for one don't want another flame war to erupt in this thread too.

In any case, you will need to provide a link that shows the developer said that, otherwise it'll be a case of going with what the developers say just because they made the game. There was one other individual who took that stance in the thread on the Daedric Lords alignment, but with little evidence to support that claim. It essentially became an argument of "what the developers say goes" on that person's part since the individual stuck to that story and didn't really consider any points everyone else there had made.

That's all I have to say for now. No offense intended as I'm simply trying to avoid another flame war as best as possible.

That was one giant ad-hom lol, you did not respond to his post on the topic at all except try to negate it as a theory without proving him wrong with evidence.

[Spec]

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I've done nothing of the sort. I've said it was theory at first and have asked for a link that would support the claim that it's what a developer said. As no link has been provided to refute it as a theory, the notion of it being a theory still holds. Saying a developer said it does not prove the developer said it unless there's one or more links to support the claim. It's "what the developers say goes" in a nutshell. That alone is not an argument supporting the idea because we only have an individual's word for it with no links or solid reasoning to back it up. That excuse has been used repeatedly in the other thread I spoke of, so much so that it's practically beating a dead horse by shoving it onto us.

Ad hominem: is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.

Ok, i'll snip the part tiny part that was on topic an point out the ad-hom part

İlk olarak BelphegorATS tarafından gönderildi:

Ah, I didn't notice it was you, GThe Cure. Please behave more appropriately this time instead of attacking others with insults. Don't try to force your opinions and arguments onto us because we don't like that or appreciate it. Follow the rules of online etiquette here. I'm only saying this in advance because of what happened in the thread on the Daedric Lords' alignment. Anyone who was involved with that thread in one way or another doesn't want to go through that again, so I'm asking you nicely to behave properly. Granted, I can't speak for everyone, but I for one don't want another flame war to erupt in this thread too.

There was one other individual who took that stance in the thread on the Daedric Lords alignment, but with little evidence to support that claim. It essentially became an argument of "what the developers say goes" on that person's part since the individual stuck to that story and didn't really consider any points everyone else there had made.
That's all I have to say for now. No offense intended as I'm simply trying to avoid another flame war as best as possible.

Ok there it is, the ad-hom part, which was about the cure and not the topic, which is irrelevant to the topic you should be discussing.

[BloodLord Thanatos]

Technically, if Michael Kirkbride no longer works with Bethesda, then his assertions may not hold as much weight if his former colleagues decide to go a different route.

[BloodLord Thanatos]

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Technically, if Michael Kirkbride no longer works with Bethesda, then his assertions may not hold as much weight if his former colleagues decide to go a different route.

Nope, not only did he make that post when he worked for Bethesda, his writings are still considered lore and make it into the games. Not only that, but there's plenty of other writings and evidence for what was posted. MK just made it simple by making that little diagram.

Hmm, might I inquire of you as to what other pieces of evidence? I mean no offense, but I am intrigued at what other hints there might be. Would you kindly provide some links, Noble sir?

[BloodLord Thanatos]

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Hmm, might I inquire of you as to what other pieces of evidence? I mean no offense, but I am intrigued at what other hints there might be. Would you kindly provide some links, Noble sir?

Arcturian Heresy, which MK confirms. I mention it in my first post in the thread.

Isn't it considered in the lore to be a semi-banned book in the Empire? I seem to recall it somewhere implied that Septim was not gifted with the Voice or a good strategist, and that his feats of greatness were due to Zurin Arctus, who spent nearly millenia trying to destroy Numidium in revenge for a perceived slighting by Tiber Septim.

[BloodLord Thanatos]

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Isn't it considered in the lore to be a semi-banned book in the Empire? I seem to recall it somewhere implied that Septim was not gifted with the Voice or a good strategist, and that his feats of greatness were due to Zurin Arctus, who spent nearly millenia trying to destroy Numidium in revenge for a perceived slighting by Tiber Septim.

Arctus=Tiber. They make up the Oversoul that is Talos. MK confirms the Arcturian Heresy as fact.

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My god, I'm full of butthurt

Then learn more about what you're attempting to talk about.

Now why are you hostile and argumentative? I merely wished to debate with you in a friendly manner. We mustn't be so uncivilized and discourteous.

[BloodLord Thanatos]

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Now why are you hostile and argumentative? I merely wished to debate with you in a friendly manner. We mustn't be so uncivilized and discourteous.

Read, that kids always butthurt, trying to start ♥♥♥♥. I was never rude to you.

Hmm, then I must assume that a Daedric Lord is merely masquerading as you, in order to mess with my mind. The Power of the Nine Compels thee! In the Name of the Nine, I command thee to release the The Cure from his dark mood, and let joy and mirth flow from the forums.

(Yes, I know you aren't in the mood for joking, but this is my best effort at being funny)

[BelphegorATS]

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Arctus=Tiber. They make up the Oversoul that is Talos. MK confirms the Arcturian Heresy as fact. Then learn more about what you're attempting to talk about.

Now why are you hostile and argumentative? I merely wished to debate with you in a friendly manner. We mustn't be so uncivilized and discourteous.

I agree. ][G][The Cure has acted this way before on other threads, including the one I've been mentioning a couple times now. I only know this person has been behaving like a childish troll on other threads because I've actually conversed with this individual in one and have seen the same conduct in the other threads ][G][The Cure linked while trying to prove a point in that thread. Although there has been some agreement with some of the things ][G][The Cure has said, this person has not shown the same respect towards others and is acting like a childish troll. Like I said before, ][G][The Cure has been banned from one thread, one on Daedric Lords alignment, for this conduct; this happened after warnings were given to be nice or leave. When those options were rejectd, a moderator was contacted to ban ][G][The Cure from the thread.

[BelphegorATS]

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Now why are you hostile and argumentative? I merely wished to debate with you in a friendly manner. We mustn't be so uncivilized and discourteous.

Read, that kids always butthurt, trying to start ♥♥♥♥. Go back and look at his ad-hom on page 2. I was never rude to you.

Yes, you most certainly were rude. You are contradicting yourself right there.

[BelphegorATS]

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LMAO, butthurt kids throws ad-homs around, says I'm starting ♥♥♥♥. Anybody with a brain and eys can go back and see who started what. Now go get over it and learn more about TES before attempting to argue again.

You do realize you're inviting others to come and read through these posts, right? They'll see that your conduct is offensive and that you're being incredibly rude to other people here. If you believe people will flock to your defense simply because you claim you're right simply because the lore and developers say so, then you'll find no support for yourself. Don't blame us for any conduct on your part; we've done nothing wrong and haven't wronged you in any way.

[Elaini]

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You do realize you're inviting others to come and read through these posts, right? They'll see that your conduct is offensive and that you're being incredibly rude to other people here.

Actually I remember the Cure. Mainly because of this particular behavior. Way to make a reputation for oneself, I guess. "You're allowed to be dumb but not unknown."

[BloodLord Thanatos]

Even if we were to accept your arguments, there is still the question of interpretation of the lore. For example, in Morrowind, it was argued that the Blades were the Intelligence and spy network of the Emperor, in addition to the tamrielic equivalent of being knighted by the monarch of England.

and How would it work for Talos to be three people simultaneously, and yet still not hold the reins of power if he was also the underking? Remember that in Daggerfall, the Underking (Zurin Arctus) was bound to the mortal world by the mantella, which was housing his soul. Furthermore, the Underking wanted to Destroy Numidium, which would weaken the empire, not strengthen it. The Heart of Lorhkan is said to be Nirn itself, at the location of Red Mountain.

[BelphegorATS]

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Yes, you most certainly were rude. You are contradicting yourself right there.

Anybody can just read and see you started throwing ad-homs around and couldn't form an argument against the actual lore and what the devs have said. So were you going to form an argument or continue to fail?

Let me say this again: I politely requested that you refrain from misconduct so we could avoid a flame war (that has now just begun, thanks to you). I've not wronged you once this entire thread. You've done nothing but make the "I'm right, your wrong" and "what the developers say goes" excuses while acting very hostile to others. The only relevant link you provided regarding this thread doesn't prove your point since you're essentially copying the exact words from that link, especially when there is no additional information in that particular section of the link. That does not prove it as fact; that is merely a fragment of something which I'm still referring to as a theory because there is not enough evidence to determine it as fact.