Where Does The Last Dragonborn Go When He Dies?

[Sharky Smooth]

I've been wondering this for a while and it brings up some interesting questions. for the sake of argument lets say your a nord, boom Sovengarde already. (since your awesome) But there are varitions on that. if you're a Nightingale you serve Nocturnal in the Evergloam, if you're a Werewolf you roam Hircines hunting grounds, If you help Azura you go to her plane of Oblivion. if you clear Meridias' temple you can have her in the mix too. If you're a vampire you serve molag bal,as Listener for The Dark Brotherhood you're bound to the void and Sithis, as Dragonborn you're also a child of Akatosh would you be reincarnated as a dragon? Or because you saved the world would your deeds earn you divinity ala Talos? There's also a hint that you may stay with Hermaous Mora forever like Miraak. Perhaps the souls of dragons could be used as bribes so you could choose a plane of oblivion? Please give me your thoughts.

[Pixel]

ok so after defeating miraak you just leave the place right? the devs could leave that as it was but instead when you go back to Solstheim ,Frea will talk with you and say "One more thing, Skaal-friend, if you will. I know it is not my place but... may I offer a word of advice... of warning?"
Sure, what is it?: "As shaman of the Skaal, I am charged with the spiritual well-being of my people. While you are not of the Skaal, you are Skaal-friend, and so I give you this warning. Herma-Mora forced you to serve him in order to defeat Miraak. Do not let him lure you further down that path. The All-Maker made you Dragonborn for a higher purpose. Do not forget that. Walk with the All-Maker, Skaal-friend." so that makes you doubt if the Dragonborn is trully free,
or is he acting on its free will?
In conclusion Herma-Mora let you leave the realm without interference, that makes me think that we accepted its offer otherwise you wouldnt be able to leave.

sry if its a bit offtopic

[ARmodder]

Sovengarde is Heaven, Oblivion is Hell that's all I know. Personally I think as a Dragonborn your going to Sovengard. Seeing as the fate of the protaganist in TES and Fallout games is never revealed (except on occasion) it's up to each person to create their own ending, maybe sometime before the Dragonborns death he/she finds an elixir of life that allows them to live forever, and the Dragonborn takes over as the leader of the greybeards, to instruct future Dragonborn the way of the voice.

[Bomb Bloke]

In my experience, he usually goes back to the last autosave.

[AC Denton]

Originally posted by ARmodder:

Sovengarde is Heaven, Oblivion is Hell that's all I know. Personally I think as a Dragonborn your going to Sovengard. Seeing as the fate of the protaganist in TES and Fallout games is never revealed (except on occasion) it's up to each person to create their own ending, maybe sometime before the Dragonborns death he/she finds an elixir of life that allows them to live forever, and the Dragonborn takes over as the leader of the greybeards, to instruct future Dragonborn the way of the voice.

Sovenguard is not heaven, and only Nords go to Sovenguard. Oblivion is not hell. Oblivion is another word for hell in the English language, but it's not hell in the TES world. TES is made up of different realms of Oblivion. Nirn, The Void, The Shivering Isles etc are all realms of Oblivion (Tamriel is within Nirn).

[AC Denton]

Originally posted by Sundavrblaka:

I've been wondering this for a while and it brings up some interesting questions. for the sake of argument lets say your a nord, boom Sovengarde already. (since your awesome) But there are varitions on that. if you're a Nightingale you serve Nocturnal in the Evergloam, if you're a Werewolf you roam Hircines hunting grounds, if you're a vampire you serve molag bal,as Listener for The Dark Brotherhood you're bound to the void and Sithis, as Dragonborn you're also aa child of Akatosh would you be reincarnated as a dragon? o rbecause you saved the world would your deeds earn you divinity ala Talos? There's also a hint that you may stay with Hermaous Mora forever like Miraak. Perhaps the souls of dragons could be used as bribes so you could choose a plane of oblivion? Please give me your thoughts.

That's where roleplay comes into it. cPeople bash Bethesda for not having roleplay, but they have some of the best roleplay, people just don't have the right mindset to role play, they're not imaginative enough. The ending to each playthrough for the PC is up to you due to your choices. SImilar to the way you start any TES game, you're a criminal but you don't know why you've been imprisoned, you need to roleplay it.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Sundavrblaka:

I've been wondering this for a while and it brings up some interesting questions. for the sake of argument lets say your a nord, boom Sovengarde already. (since your awesome) But there are varitions on that. if you're a Nightingale you serve Nocturnal in the Evergloam, if you're a Werewolf you roam Hircines hunting grounds, if you're a vampire you serve molag bal,as Listener for The Dark Brotherhood you're bound to the void and Sithis, as Dragonborn you're also aa child of Akatosh would you be reincarnated as a dragon? o rbecause you saved the world would your deeds earn you divinity ala Talos? There's also a hint that you may stay with Hermaous Mora forever like Miraak. Perhaps the souls of dragons could be used as bribes so you could choose a plane of oblivion? Please give me your thoughts.

No-one has ever suggested that the dragonborn get reincarnated as a dragon, in fact in the Elder Scrolls universe no-one gets reincarnated ever. If you have been a good soul you might end up in Soverngard or Aetherius, and thats where most of the dragonborn emperor's are supposed to have ended up.

As for the other possible destinations, you don't know, that's kind of the point, if you are evil you will end up in Oblivion, but which realm, who knows, it might be Hircine's hunting ground or Norturnal's Evergloam. It probably has to do with how much your soul resonates with that particular destiny, and how much each Daedra actually wants you.

Also Meridia has also staked a claim on you when you cleared her Temple, and if you cleanse Azura's Star, she too makes a claim.

[silentcrow01]

Since the Dragonborn is there for a specific purpose, and it revolves around dragons and Akotosh, I'd think, though others can try to stake a claim, Akatosh has a priority claim on your soul. After all, you wouldn't be Dragonborn, or there to fight, if it weren't for him.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by silentcrow01:

Since the Dragonborn is there for a specific purpose, and it revolves around dragons and Akotosh, I'd think, though others can try to stake a claim, Akatosh has a priority claim on your soul. After all, you wouldn't be Dragonborn, or there to fight, if it weren't for him.

Akatosh may have a priority claim on the soul of the dragonborn, or possibly he doesn't. After all although he created the Dragon soul, he is busy and theoretically he and the other divines created all souls, meaning Daedra would never get a look in.

But the Daedra clearly do claim souls, meaning it's not clear cut, and probably has to do with how the person lives their life. If the dragonborn becomes a true hero defending the weak, vanquishing the vile, then maybe Akatosh will claim his soul.

[SmooshieBanana]

Well, you have to ask yourself why did Talos ascend? Obviously the Gods saw him as worthy and raised him up. All the events in the world have been laid out to lead to this point, where Akatosh's Dragonborn will prove himself/herself over all others. Perhaps, like Talos, this is just another vetting process for ascension? If each God has placed claim on you, calling you worthy, perhaps when each has, you ascend? We don't really know, but I would have to lean toward Akatosh's realm if no ascension happens.

[Saelune]

Well, considering the Dragonborn has the power to contend with Daedra and the Divine, Id say wherever they wish. Pacts may bind lesser souls, but if they would rather go to Sovengarde, or go to Hircine's Realm if a Werewolf, or Hermaes Mora if a seeker of knowledge, or some racial afterlife, etc. Though what truly happens to the departed I dont think has ever been truly outlined. Spirits seem to maintain some sense of autonomy, and souls are physical things, as enchanting and soul gems are evidence of.

If nothing else, so many Daedric Princes have a claim to their soul that its probably better for them to leave them be.

[Shrapnel]

the same place all the others go-Nord Heaven

[ARmodder]

Originally posted by Kvatch Was An Inside Job:

Originally posted by ARmodder:

Sovengarde is Heaven, Oblivion is Hell that's all I know. Personally I think as a Dragonborn your going to Sovengard. Seeing as the fate of the protaganist in TES and Fallout games is never revealed (except on occasion) it's up to each person to create their own ending, maybe sometime before the Dragonborns death he/she finds an elixir of life that allows them to live forever, and the Dragonborn takes over as the leader of the greybeards, to instruct future Dragonborn the way of the voice.

Sovenguard is not heaven, and only Nords go to Sovenguard. Oblivion is not hell. Oblivion is another word for hell in the English language, but it's not hell in the TES world. TES is made up of different realms of Oblivion. Nirn, The Void, The Shivering Isles etc are all realms of Oblivion (Tamriel is within Nirn).

If you look at all TES games Skyrim included many of the creatures, places, deities, ect bear a strong resemblence to the real world, Sovenguard is the Nords version of heaven, while Oblivion and the Void is the TES universes version of hell. I've read most of the in-game books about Oblivion, Nirn ect, and I am versed enough in both the TES lore and real world lore and deities to know that much of the Gods, and their domains have real world counterparts.

Devine/Daedric and RW counterpart Realm/Life Aspect

Mehrunes Dagon: devil, satan, Lucifer| Deadlands: Hell, Underworld
Kynareth: Mother Nature, Gaia| Nirn: Nature
Akatosh: God, Allah, the Creator|
Mara: Aphordite, Venus| Love, Sex, Beauty and Fertility

as for Heaven, Aetherius which includes Sovenguard is Heaven as far as TES is concerned, though I do admit that Oblivion may not be the games version of hell, but when one considers it's princes many of whom represent sins and that they reside on different planes of oblivion, I think it's safe to say that it is as close to hell as one can get in TES, and each plane of Oblivion is torture for mortals (probably with a few exceptions).

Elder Scrolls Wikia also states that the Deadlands (a plane of Oblivion ruled by Mehrunes Dagon) represents as close to the mortal vision of hell as any of the other planes of oblivion, that would be to say that Oblivion, especially the Deadlands represents hell.

I'd say I'm pretty spot on, with my line of thinking here, fact is(and it's ironic) I noticed this when I was playing TESIV: Oblivion, so I may not be 100% but it's hard to be 100% when your talking about a game, and it's folklore and comparing it to real life folklore.

[Bomb Bloke]

Again, you realise that the Shivering Isles are also a plain of Oblivion, right? Azura's plain is said to be so beutiful as to cause blindness. The Deadlands are merely a sample - they're not somewhere mortals simply end up when they're dead.

Wikia says whatever regular folks like me or you might think - because their content is typed by regular folks like me or you.

[Edga_-_]

My cousin's out fighting dragons, and what do i get? Guard duty.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by ARmodder:

Originally posted by Kvatch Was An Inside Job:

Sovenguard is not heaven, and only Nords go to Sovenguard. Oblivion is not hell. Oblivion is another word for hell in the English language, but it's not hell in the TES world. TES is made up of different realms of Oblivion. Nirn, The Void, The Shivering Isles etc are all realms of Oblivion (Tamriel is within Nirn).

If you look at all TES games Skyrim included many of the creatures, places, deities, ect bear a strong resemblence to the real world, Sovenguard is the Nords version of heaven, while Oblivion and the Void is the TES universes version of hell. I've read most of the in-game books about Oblivion, Nirn ect, and I am versed enough in both the TES lore and real world lore and deities to know that much of the Gods, and their domains have real world counterparts.

Devine/Daedric and RW counterpart Realm/Life Aspect

Mehrunes Dagon: devil, satan, Lucifer| Deadlands: Hell, Underworld
Kynareth: Mother Nature, Gaia| Nirn: Nature
Akatosh: God, Allah, the Creator|
Mara: Aphordite, Venus| Love, Sex, Beauty and Fertility

as for Heaven, Aetherius which includes Sovenguard is Heaven as far as TES is concerned, though I do admit that Oblivion may not be the games version of hell, but when one considers it's princes many of whom represent sins and that they reside on different planes of oblivion, I think it's safe to say that it is as close to hell as one can get in TES, and each plane of Oblivion is torture for mortals (probably with a few exceptions).

Elder Scrolls Wikia also states that the Deadlands (a plane of Oblivion ruled by Mehrunes Dagon) represents as close to the mortal vision of hell as any of the other planes of oblivion, that would be to say that Oblivion, especially the Deadlands represents hell.

I'd say I'm pretty spot on, with my line of thinking here, fact is(and it's ironic) I noticed this when I was playing TESIV: Oblivion, so I may not be 100% but it's hard to be 100% when your talking about a game, and it's folklore and comparing it to real life folklore.

Overly simplified. Each god, including the Daedra has a realm, the divines have their realms in Aetherius, the Daedra have theirs in Oblivion. Several Daedra are Good, so their realms would be heavens, and several are Neutral, so not quite heaven but not quite hell, and the Evil Daedra would be hells.

Trying to translate everything to directly correspond with earth religions leads to simplifying things that need their full complexity to be savoured.

The Evil Daedra will not torment every soul they get their hands on, Just as the Good Daedra and the Divines won't accept everyone they could claim. They are self aware after all, and can make their own choices. But as a rule heavens belong to good dieties, even if they are Daedra, and hells belong to evil deities, and the souls go to the afterlife they have earned (even if they don't want it).