Why are the guards so useless?

[[ESC]Brendan1579]

I was randomly attacked by three people at the same time outside whiterun. What did the two guards who walked past do about it? nothing. They walked right past us and started killing a random wolf after i already finished dropping two of them. If it werent for my shout, i would have died. Why is it when i attack an NPC, the guards get pissed and try to kill me but they dont seem to care about anything else. They dont usually even bother ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with other NPCs when they start killing eachother. Rarely have i ever seen them step in when two opposing forces collide in their territory, Yet they always want to put one in my forehead just for defending myself.

[Master Talon]

Did the NPCs attack you first?

[[ESC]Brendan1579]

Originally posted by Master Talon:

Did the NPCs attack you first?

yes. I was AFK when it started and i heard myself taking damage.

[xxx]

I am working on your request:

so far I have

Guards attack thugs assassins and more
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/55400/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT8B1Unv7KY&t=4s

To be honest I don't have this problem and might have something already installed...I just can't remember

If you try this mod and it works please let me know

I'll try to bring it here but first I need someone to confirm that it works...then I'll contact the author...and lastly have my testers test it

and to be honest once again...this mod is a little bit too old for my taste...it was made in 2014
but if you find it useful...

in any event...I'll keep looking

[xxx]

Also Populated Lands, Roads, Paths might help[www.nexusmods.com]. However, the mod author(s) state that it requires that you start a new game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Osul7WyVw

[jreese46]

I think it's an issue with whether the attacker is generally hostile (bandits, wolves, etc.) or only hostile to you (hired thugs, possibly opposing factions if in the civil war questline.)

The AI is set up so it determines whether an npc will initiate combat, how far they'll go, and who they'll help. Guards are pretty much neutral, except that once they're in a fight, they won't usually run from it. They help nobody, where other NPCS may help anybody, only friends, only allies, friends and allies...

So if you're attacked by an enemy that isn't hostile to anyone but you, and you don't have any friends or allies around, with the right AI settings to help their friends and/or allies, you are on your own.

I use the populated series, in addition to some other mods to make the roads more traveled, and it does help in some cases, as some of them seem to jump in when I'm in a fight, though I've never opened it up and looked at everybody's AI.

[xxx]

I think the 1st mod I mentioned will work...and if he uses it with the 2nd he should be a happy camper.

(I also think that people attacking him are three hired thugs.)

[[ESC]Brendan1579]

Originally posted by Master Mold:

I think the 1st mod I mentioned will work...and if he uses it with the 2nd he should be a happy camper.

(I also think that people attacking him are three hired thugs.)

they're not. they were thalmor

[xxx]

Yeah...I guess the guards are pretty useless...maybe I will sit down this summer with my nephew and work on something

[Master Talon]

Originally posted by Brendan1579:

Originally posted by Master Mold:

I think the 1st mod I mentioned will work...and if he uses it with the 2nd he should be a happy camper.

(I also think that people attacking him are three hired thugs.)

they're not. they were thalmor

The guards don't like the Thalmor I think that would be the reason and knowing the Dragonborn can handle them. Elenwen wants the Dragonborn dead so yeah and as for the bounty you got after killing them even if the Thalmor attacked you first I have no clue.

[xxx]

When I work on my mod I will factor in the Thalmor...that was my plan from the beginning. I'll open up the 1st mod I mentioned and see what does...I have lots of people to help me...in any case they say that it is small and simple.

AND IF ANYONE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION THAT HELPS BRENDAN1579 I AM MORE THEN OPEN.

[jreese46]

Might be able to add a thane faction to the guard factions, so becoming a thane in their hold makes you their ally, then set them to help allies. Gives you some incentive to become thane.

[Master Talon]

Originally posted by jreese46:

Might be able to add a thane faction to the guard factions, so becoming a thane in their hold makes you their ally, then set them to help allies. Gives you some incentive to become thane.

he said the guards attacked him they didn't ask him to pay a bounty or even stop to talk to him is what he meant

[Poil]

The thugs, dark brotherhood assassin, mage challenger, etc are for some reason neutral with the guards despite them blatantly trying to murder you (and it's really bloody stupid). If you are low enough level or has grinded illusion enough for a rage spell to work it'll make the guards help you for the duration.

[xxx]

Well we still don't know if the 1st mod I mentioned will work and I think jreese46 is being very helpful here: he's confirming stuff and he's coming up with ideas. We all know, by default, the guards do not come to your aid.

[Master Talon]

Originally posted by Master Mold:

Well we still don't know if the 1st mod I mentioned will work and I think jreese46 is being very helpful here: he's confirming stuff and he's coming up with ideas. We all know, by default, the guards do not come to your aid.

depending what you fight they actually do help you like fighting Dragons or werewolves or Vampires