Arthmoor has deleted his mods on the nexus.

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I guess it shouldn't be much of a surprise, considering he's an arrogant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who seems to think he's the only one who has the right to mod. He claims all the mods he deleted are also available on AFK mods. As of this posting, he hasn't deleted his SE mods it would seem. Of course, who knows how long that will last, since he claims he only intends to leave the Unofficial Patches up on the nexus, with the SE one still receiving updates, though now without his involvement (apparently, handing complete control over your work to random people is better than another random set of people, go figure).

That's so freaking immature, to remove mods that many mods on the nexus require. Yeah, you can still get them, but its still an ass move. All just because he can't go into a museum and burn his own artworks solely because he personally doesn't like them anymore. Or perhaps a better example: destroying all the mechanical parts he designed just because he finds fault with them now, even though this would cause major problems for people who could still need said parts.

Of course, in the case of SE, it probably doesn't matter much since he refuses to upload patches for older versions, even though in SE it prevents most of the user base from using it since you have to keep your game from updating in order to play. Last I heard, its apparently become quite common now for people to play without the unofficial patch in fact, or any of arthmoor's mods it would seem. I get the unofficial patch being unusable for 99% of people, but his other mods surprise me. I guess his attitude is starting to catch up with him. Sooner or later, going around telling people they don't know ♥♥♥♥ about the game and only you can make any sort of viable assessments about it is going to bite you in the ass eventually.

Does this mean anything practically? I guess not since you can still go and get his mods on afkmods (for what that's worth). Either way, I already have copies of most of the stuff he had (besides his individual village mods), so it doesn't really mean anything to me. I guess the only reason I'm posting this is because it is a bit of a shock to see one of the highest profile modders delete all his stuff, just because he wants the right to do so as he pleases completely regardless of the problems it causes for others. I guess at least he wasn't audacious enough to remove USLEEP, though that was probably just because of the inordinate number of mods that require it. He would really be shooting himself in the foot if he removed that. I guess he has enough sense to at least realize that.

And lets be honest here, its not like the nexus is going to bend to anyone. Anyone whose has any amount of interaction with their staff can see they're not the most considerate or rational. Even if they are in the wrong, they clearly aren't going to budge, whether anyone likes it or not.

Guess now if you take any remote interest in a mod, you can't wait to download it. If you have the faintest inkling it may interest you, you need to archive it for yourself because it probably won't stay up for long. Its sad that the users are having to war with the mod authors just so they can play a game that the mod authors themselves clearly don't own anymore than the users. I understand that most mod users are overly privalaged, but not all of us are. This isn't about privalage, this is about practicality. This actually reminds me of an old story I heard once about a car company that died because it kept overhauling the designs for its cars, making finding replacement parts nigh impossible. This caused people to stop buying their cars, even though they were actually quite good, and the company went under as a result. I guess this case however, is more wrong than stupid, because the people making the parts are trying to destroy a game that isn't even theirs.

This is all just so stupid. I guess its a good thing I'm getting better at making mods myself, so maybe this won't affect me as much. I've actually been increasingly using mods of my own making. Really, the only issue this may cause is it will reduce the number of assets I have to draw upon in my creations. I have plenty in reserve though, so I guess that won't hit me for quite a while. I still need to get around to making that spell mod for myself though.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡]

Nexus sucks, that is the bottom line. You can't step on the people you host content for or you are going to have no content to host.

Your post just looks like a "REEE Mod authors having ownership" post.

And seeing as you can still access these mods... why are you complaining?

[alexander_dougherty]

It's all about mod packs, Arthmoor has deleted his mods because Nexus has sidestepped responsibility on mod packs. If Nexus had allowed mod authors to opt out of mod packs then his mods would still be on their site...... but they didn't, and they will see more mod authors remove their mods because of it.

Now you may dislike it, but every mod author has the right to do this.

[Uncle64]

There is several other mod makers that have removed their mods from Nexus it is the same issue Mod packs
This is also something that is happening on FO4
They remove the mods from Nexus but keep them on altenate sites
There is some treads about it on LL

[Competizione]

While Arthmoor may be an arrogant thundercoont, he's right on this one. Besides I mean, are we really going to ignore the fact that Nexus staff members are more toxic than a five minute stroll on the surface of Venus?

I hope it's finally a matter of what goes around comes around.

[jreese46]

Originally posted by IXBlackWolfXI:

I guess it shouldn't be much of a surprise, considering he's an arrogant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who seems to think he's the only one who has the right to mod. He claims all the mods he deleted are also available on AFK mods. As of this posting, he hasn't deleted his SE mods it would seem. Of course, who knows how long that will last, since he claims he only intends to leave the Unofficial Patches up on the nexus, with the SE one still receiving updates, though now without his involvement (apparently, handing complete control over your work to random people is better than another random set of people, go figure).

That's so freaking immature, to remove mods that many mods on the nexus require. Yeah, you can still get them, but its still an ass move. All just because he can't go into a museum and burn his own artworks solely because he personally doesn't like them anymore. Or perhaps a better example: destroying all the mechanical parts he designed just because he finds fault with them now, even though this would cause major problems for people who could still need said parts.

Of course, in the case of SE, it probably doesn't matter much since he refuses to upload patches for older versions, even though in SE it prevents most of the user base from using it since you have to keep your game from updating in order to play. Last I heard, its apparently become quite common now for people to play without the unofficial patch in fact, or any of arthmoor's mods it would seem. I get the unofficial patch being unusable for 99% of people, but his other mods surprise me. I guess his attitude is starting to catch up with him. Sooner or later, going around telling people they don't know ♥♥♥♥ about the game and only you can make any sort of viable assessments about it is going to bite you in the ass eventually.

Does this mean anything practically? I guess not since you can still go and get his mods on afkmods (for what that's worth). Either way, I already have copies of most of the stuff he had (besides his individual village mods), so it doesn't really mean anything to me. I guess the only reason I'm posting this is because it is a bit of a shock to see one of the highest profile modders delete all his stuff, just because he wants the right to do so as he pleases completely regardless of the problems it causes for others. I guess at least he wasn't audacious enough to remove USLEEP, though that was probably just because of the inordinate number of mods that require it. He would really be shooting himself in the foot if he removed that. I guess he has enough sense to at least realize that.

And lets be honest here, its not like the nexus is going to bend to anyone. Anyone whose has any amount of interaction with their staff can see they're not the most considerate or rational. Even if they are in the wrong, they clearly aren't going to budge, whether anyone likes it or not.

Guess now if you take any remote interest in a mod, you can't wait to download it. If you have the faintest inkling it may interest you, you need to archive it for yourself because it probably won't stay up for long. Its sad that the users are having to war with the mod authors just so they can play a game that the mod authors themselves clearly don't own anymore than the users. I understand that most mod users are overly privalaged, but not all of us are. This isn't about privalage, this is about practicality. This actually reminds me of an old story I heard once about a car company that died because it kept overhauling the designs for its cars, making finding replacement parts nigh impossible. This caused people to stop buying their cars, even though they were actually quite good, and the company went under as a result. I guess this case however, is more wrong than stupid, because the people making the parts are trying to destroy a game that isn't even theirs.

This is all just so stupid. I guess its a good thing I'm getting better at making mods myself, so maybe this won't affect me as much. I've actually been increasingly using mods of my own making. Really, the only issue this may cause is it will reduce the number of assets I have to draw upon in my creations. I have plenty in reserve though, so I guess that won't hit me for quite a while. I still need to get around to making that spell mod for myself though.

You really just can't help yourself, can you? Have you considered the possibility that, if he didn't care about making life better for others, he wouldn't have begun creating mods for people, for free, in the first place? Or perhaps that he would have just deleted them and left it at that, rather than ensuring they can still be available to mod users, again for free.

If you look beyond "oh boy, an opportunity to smear somebody," you might have noticed how the entire thing was presented (or rather hidden until it was too late) as no big deal, and you may have pondered what types 'no big deal' plans require deception to make them palatable. Yes, many mod authors wish to retain control over their creations, and that's ok. What is not ok is this apparent assumption that you are owed the fruits of someone else's labor. If Arthmoor, or any other mod author, decided to delete everything of theirs, and let it be gone forever, that too would be ok, regardless of whether it made you feel slighted.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by jreese46:

you might have noticed how the entire thing was presented (or rather hidden until it was too late) as no big deal, and you may have pondered what types 'no big deal' plans require deception to make them palatable. Yes, many mod authors wish to retain control over their creations, and that's ok. What is not ok is this apparent assumption that you are owed the fruits of someone else's labor. If Arthmoor, or any other mod author, decided to delete everything of theirs, and let it be gone forever, that too would be ok, regardless of whether it made you feel slighted.

Yeah, they are trying to play it both ways, which is fundamentally dishonest..... and lazy....

[Cookies anyone.]

well for someone who has enough problems just setting them up on nexsus ans on steam. I am not sure what other options I have. I am just saying. What they do is up to them. but I hate the fact that. my games is so buggy after some thing being taken out. I just like to have a site were I can play the game and add mods. other from fun sites as i like to call them to more basic mods to make it more fun and different. To me it is not fair. to the moders and it is no fun to use who use the mods. trying to find out were they went and what to use as a modding tool. I wish them all the best. Not sure what I do if steam takes all the games off i have paid for. Not like they send me a hard copy. plus my PC needs upgraded. But you need money for that. One thing I do hate is discord. never can get on that site and as far as sits I have to pay to get on to get there stuff. not going to happen. But I do try to donate when I can if they have a way I can without a cc or pay pal. well like I said I have nothing bad to say about moders. just wish I could use a 3D program to make things. oh well. be safe all

[jreese46]

Originally posted by Cookies anyone.:

well for someone who has enough problems just setting them up on nexsus ans on steam. I am not sure what other options I have. I am just saying. What they do is up to them. but I hate the fact that. my games is so buggy after some thing being taken out. I just like to have a site were I can play the game and add mods. other from fun sites as i like to call them to more basic mods to make it more fun and different. To me it is not fair. to the moders and it is no fun to use who use the mods. trying to find out were they went and what to use as a modding tool. I wish them all the best. Not sure what I do if steam takes all the games off i have paid for. Not like they send me a hard copy. plus my PC needs upgraded. But you need money for that. One thing I do hate is discord. never can get on that site and as far as sits I have to pay to get on to get there stuff. not going to happen. But I do try to donate when I can if they have a way I can without a cc or pay pal. well like I said I have nothing bad to say about moders. just wish I could use a 3D program to make things. oh well. be safe all

This can, and has at times been, a problem for steam workshop users, but a nexus author pulling their mod down does not remove it from your computer. The only issue you will have there is, if you somehow delete it or it becomes corrupted, having to go find it again to re-download.

Steam workshop, on the other hand, can and has borked games when authors update or remove. It's been quite some time since I've played "oldrim," but unless something has changed, you might have some luck subscribing and favoriting both, let the mod download (I also make a copy/paste backup version, just in case) then unsubscribe and play. If you want to test out an update or something, you can always resub, but it's not forced on you this way.

[Cookies anyone.]

Thanks for the info.

[Frostwyn]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

It's all about mod packs, Arthmoor has deleted his mods because Nexus has sidestepped responsibility on mod packs. If Nexus had allowed mod authors to opt out of mod packs then his mods would still be on their site...... but they didn't, and they will see more mod authors remove their mods because of it.

Now you may dislike it, but every mod author has the right to do this.

They aren't mod packs, they're mod lists. Literally, the same as if I wrote down a list of mods for you to download in a specific order.

Also, modders get paid on nexus based on downloads. It's already been statistically proven this helps generate more revenue for modders. The only complaints I've seen are that they might get more troubleshooting questions from people new to modding and they can't delete their mods (even though you can still hide them which is 99% the same as deleting for the end-user).

The fact that modders can make money off nexus and still have the ability to delete their mods afterwards is probably another reason for the policy change.

[Uncle64]

When did modders started to get payed by Nexus @swisstoast?
That is new, but you can if you want your self to contibute to the modder and that is some other thing.
Those "modlists" are often not that well made, those I have checked my self are wery bad put together.

[258789553873]

I know the mod guides you see on youtube try to avoid conflicts as best they can. One of Heavy Burns' videos even has a link to a custom compatibility patch made by Heavy Burns himself for the mod list. Brodual also has more than once made a mod list that they claimed should be free of clashes (which they acknowledged is hard to avoid these days).

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Swisstoast:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

It's all about mod packs, Arthmoor has deleted his mods because Nexus has sidestepped responsibility on mod packs. If Nexus had allowed mod authors to opt out of mod packs then his mods would still be on their site...... but they didn't, and they will see more mod authors remove their mods because of it.

Now you may dislike it, but every mod author has the right to do this.

They aren't mod packs, they're mod lists. Literally, the same as if I wrote down a list of mods for you to download in a specific order.

That's essentially all a mod pack is, a list of mods that gets automatically downloaded in a specific order for you.

Also, modders get paid on nexus based on downloads. It's already been statistically proven this helps generate more revenue for modders. The only complaints I've seen are that they might get more troubleshooting questions from people new to modding and they can't delete their mods (even though you can still hide them which is 99% the same as deleting for the end-user).

The fact that modders can make money off nexus and still have the ability to delete their mods afterwards is probably another reason for the policy change.

Most mod authors are not in it for money, which is just as well as they would need to sell about a thousand mods a day to make even a poor wage. So money isn't an incentive, or a disencentive if you with-hold it from them.

The new players issue would be less of a problem if they didn't feel like most of these new players are going to keep saying "But I followed the instructions to the letter" only to find out it's the LIST they follow not the instructions for the Mods themselves.... As I said earlier they get all the hassle but none of the respect.

[AoFA | FightDrug *-* [GER]]

at the end do what i do everytime on youtube when i find a good video

save it anywere as offline data then you have it forever and for friends that want it too

when it goes about money every human make the ♥♥♥♥♥ move at the end thats why

[Frostwyn]

Originally posted by Uncle64:

When did modders started to get payed by Nexus @swisstoast?
That is new, but you can if you want your self to contibute to the modder and that is some other thing.
Those "modlists" are often not that well made, those I have checked my self are wery bad put together.

Don't know the exact date but they get paid in "DP" or donation points. 1000 DP = $1 I think so if you got 1 mil downloads, that's a decent chunk of change.

The rumor that modlists aren't put well together is a bold faced lie in the case of wabbajack modlists. The ones made for wabbajack are really well put together imo, there's even one for potato pcs that still has an enormous amount of mods called qwest. I haven't crashed once while playing it.

Edit: It's 1000 DP to a dollar so they actually make more money than I thought.