I just found out that ac3s was banned from the nexus.

[258789553873]

It would appear he was banned for many things, mostly relating to the whole 'mod deletion' controversy. He was going around harrassing other mod authors for not acting like him, with a particular focus on mod authors who had used assets from his mods which he had EXPRESSLY GIVEN PERMISSION TO USE. They didn't list all of what he did, but apparently he had a history of harrassing other users and even nexus staff. If this doesn't show you the selfishness of mod authors like him, I don't know what does. He not only wanted to burn his own work, but he also wanted to destroy other mods which he had helped to create. Why? What does he lose from some of his assets remaining in other mods? Does that given him ownership of entire mods that he had nothing to do with, and in fact no doubt included assets from other mod authors? What if a mod mostly contained assets from the uploader? Does including just one of this textures or something make it his? Wtf? These people bash on the nexus supposedly for trying to claim ownership over stuff they didn't make themselves (which they aren't btw), while this guy was doing the exact same thing himself and apparently being quire rude about it.

I guess its moot, since he deleted his nexus pages I have no way of knowing which version of the mod my patch is for, so I can never use Tel Nalta now anyway. Oh, and the nexus mod staff took all his donation points, and donated the money they were worth to some charity for victims of violence. Yeah. Can you imagine what type of a person ac3s was that made them feel inclined to do that?

I'm sick of the blatant selfishness of so many mod authors. I'm also not amused at all mod authors are now abusing the archive function to hide older versions of their mods that many people may need! Purely disgusting. They don't even own this game. Hell, his own mod was made with at least 90% of assets from THE BASE GAME. He doesn't own that, hell, technically bethesda could claim ownership of all mods made for their game and no one could do ♥♥♥♥ about it. In fact, technically they do own all mods by default, they just don't bother to enforce it. So he used dozens of assets from bethesda, and whined about someone using one or two assets from his own mod? Wtf? Privileged much?

Why was he even making mods? Was he doing it for others enjoyment? Was he doing it for an ego boost? Why? This isn't how any other entertainment industry works. Actors can't force film companies to stop distributing movies they appeared in. Writers can't have their own books banned whenever they please. Painters can't walk into art galleries to torch their own work. Why do so many mod authors think they can just destroy something that other people adore, just because they made it and personally don't like it anymore for w/e reason? I can understand not letting people use assets you yourself make, but you can't revoke that after you've given others permission to do so, and you can't stop someone from distributing copies of something after you clearly gave them permission to do just that by uploading the thing to the internet. If you declare something public domain, you can never legally revoke that. Besides, its not like anyone seriously tries to register a copyright on their custom models. Even if they did have copyright over it, it wouldn't give them the authority to do what they're doing. Whine about it all they want, its inconsiderate towards the audience, towards others that made compatibility patches for your mod so more people could enjoy it, and its incosiderate to those who made their own artworks with components you gave them express permission to use without giving any hint that you may revoke that in the future. Yeah, mod users may be overly entitled at times, but truth to be told mod authors aren't much better. Yeah, you have the right to choose to not build a cathedral, or to not maintain one, but that doesn't give you the right to demolish one whenever you please without ANY outside input. Is there anyone in this world anymore who isn't stupid/insane, and utterly self-centered? Why anyone would seriously defend people like this is beyond me.

[alexander_dougherty]

There is more than one side to every story.

Yes, this mod author was an ass, yes several others are being asses too. And no, once you've give express permission for someone to use your assets it's not ok to demand they delete that mod.

This does not negate the fact the Mod Authors own the IP rights for those mods. It does not negate their rights in regards to those mods.... The same way certain clothes brands behave like asses when they burn excess stock rather than see prices come down, it's their right to do so, even if it is a stupid selfish act.... But hell will freeze over before I buy from those brands....

[Tacosupreme]

here is what I was informed of reguarding Nexus .. no something regarding them now having a collections system where another person manages it and not the individual mod authors of the mods in that collection. A mod is now archived rather than deleted and anyone that has that mod on their system can add it to the collections section without the mod authors permission

https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14538


I personally don't mind but it''s really pointless to says " to an auther set permissions what if I do not want someone uploading something I spent a ton of time working on and not giving credit where it's due?

I mean personally I don't have that many mods my housing mod though my friend and I spent years constantly updating the mod to be suitable for each dlc and Now special edition. Not to meantion making sure it's as bug free as the creation kit alllows. Again I don't make mods very often glaucoma makes that hard at times but when I do I enjoy doing it. I really just want to make players happy. That in the end is my reward.

Still if I use assets from others I try to always credit the original creator. Nexus I feel like is basically taking away creators ability to say . Hey I worked hard on this you can enjoy it but please don't reupload it.

I am not bashing Nexus . I don't personally feel the need to say archive my mods or delete the . I just felt the need to share the post and give perspective on what could be going on.

I would understand 100% if I faced the mod author you speak of because he or she seems like a barbarian pounding his chest. We aren't gorillas after all!!. I have also faced a person who was rather pushy about a mod of mine a bit rude tbh . It's very frusterating I am sorry. I know both modders and nexus get a lot of flack but not all are Jerks on either side.

[jreese46]

Originally posted by IXBlackWolfXI:

It would appear he was banned for many things, mostly relating to the whole 'mod deletion' controversy. He was going around harrassing other mod authors for not acting like him, with a particular focus on mod authors who had used assets from his mods which he had EXPRESSLY GIVEN PERMISSION TO USE. They didn't list all of what he did, but apparently he had a history of harrassing other users and even nexus staff. If this doesn't show you the selfishness of mod authors like him, I don't know what does. He not only wanted to burn his own work, but he also wanted to destroy other mods which he had helped to create. Why? What does he lose from some of his assets remaining in other mods? Does that given him ownership of entire mods that he had nothing to do with, and in fact no doubt included assets from other mod authors? What if a mod mostly contained assets from the uploader? Does including just one of this textures or something make it his? Wtf? These people bash on the nexus supposedly for trying to claim ownership over stuff they didn't make themselves (which they aren't btw), while this guy was doing the exact same thing himself and apparently being quire rude about it.

I guess its moot, since he deleted his nexus pages I have no way of knowing which version of the mod my patch is for, so I can never use Tel Nalta now anyway. Oh, and the nexus mod staff took all his donation points, and donated the money they were worth to some charity for victims of violence. Yeah. Can you imagine what type of a person ac3s was that made them feel inclined to do that?

I'm sick of the blatant selfishness of so many mod authors. I'm also not amused at all mod authors are now abusing the archive function to hide older versions of their mods that many people may need! Purely disgusting. They don't even own this game. Hell, his own mod was made with at least 90% of assets from THE BASE GAME. He doesn't own that, hell, technically bethesda could claim ownership of all mods made for their game and no one could do ♥♥♥♥ about it. In fact, technically they do own all mods by default, they just don't bother to enforce it. So he used dozens of assets from bethesda, and whined about someone using one or two assets from his own mod? Wtf? Privileged much?

Why was he even making mods? Was he doing it for others enjoyment? Was he doing it for an ego boost? Why? This isn't how any other entertainment industry works. Actors can't force film companies to stop distributing movies they appeared in. Writers can't have their own books banned whenever they please. Painters can't walk into art galleries to torch their own work. Why do so many mod authors think they can just destroy something that other people adore, just because they made it and personally don't like it anymore for w/e reason? I can understand not letting people use assets you yourself make, but you can't revoke that after you've given others permission to do so, and you can't stop someone from distributing copies of something after you clearly gave them permission to do just that by uploading the thing to the internet. If you declare something public domain, you can never legally revoke that. Besides, its not like anyone seriously tries to register a copyright on their custom models. Even if they did have copyright over it, it wouldn't give them the authority to do what they're doing. Whine about it all they want, its inconsiderate towards the audience, towards others that made compatibility patches for your mod so more people could enjoy it, and its incosiderate to those who made their own artworks with components you gave them express permission to use without giving any hint that you may revoke that in the future. Yeah, mod users may be overly entitled at times, but truth to be told mod authors aren't much better. Yeah, you have the right to choose to not build a cathedral, or to not maintain one, but that doesn't give you the right to demolish one whenever you please without ANY outside input. Is there anyone in this world anymore who isn't stupid/insane, and utterly self-centered? Why anyone would seriously defend people like this is beyond me.

Another wall of text rant? Beginning to sense a pattern.

[258789553873]

You've clearly haven't been here long if you think that's new for me. No offense.

[Siddha]

There are asses in all walks & activities of life
We have to learn to put up with them like we have to put up with taxes & bad weather etc
It's just an inevitable part of life
Dont let them get to you

[Ac3s]

If you sign a contract based on certain rules and I change all those rules, is the contract still valid?
If you give permissions on a website with certain rules and this website then changes all its rules hoarding control of all those mods so authors cannot decided anything about their own mods anymore, are those permissions based on previous rules which no longer exist still valid?
If Nexus changes its rules like this, then permissions need to be renegotiated.
When Bethesda came out with paid mods, Nexus INSTANTLY put a standard option on all mods stating "my mod is not allowed to be used in paid mods", but according to IXBlackWolfXI's logic this should not be possible since permissions given in the past are still valid and thus can in fact be used in paid mods.

So for paid mods Nexus can clearly change all permissions themselves, even on mods from authors which are long inactive, so none of the Nexus mods with open permissions could be used for paid mods.
But when Nexus changes it own rules so that all mods on Nexus are now effectively under Nexus control, past permissions cannot be changed and everything is stuck on Nexus, gees I wander why...

And then when some authors decide to pack up and leave such an unfriendly environment, you have entitled users coming out of the woodwork's that have absolutely nothing to do with any of this and they make up nonsense and blame authors, all because they couldn't find one of the precious mods they got totally for free, yet they have no issue with bashing the exact same author that gave them this mod totally or free while it took them months/years to make such a mod.

And then this user says the author is entitled, and a harasser, and this, and that, and it simply never ends...but then he speaks of entitlement...

By the way, my mods are long on another website, so you can relax already, the time you spend typing this wall of baseless text could have been more well spend if you only spend 5 seconds googling instead.

But I know, its pointless to try and talk some sense, users like you care for nothing except bashing authors, if something ever gives you the slightest inconvenience you turn on the attack, regardless of what Nexus did and how they silence and ban certain authors not agreeing with their new rules as we speak, you have absolutely no idea what happened yet here you are, someone that used one of my mods I worked on for ages that could have easily been a 5-10 buck DLC that you got for free, and you show 0 respect for this and simply assume that everything Nexus does is okay and everything Nexus says is always the truth.

If only you knew about the "edit the mods" Nexus also has in their TOS now, lets see how long it takes before they start using that as well, and at that point your mods are stuck on there and you can't do anything about it, likely a good thing I packed my bags when I could and moved elsewhere, gosh, I can't wait for other websites like ModSanctum to be up and running, there is also another website I know of in the works as well, if you ever want my mods you can just visit me on them in the future, and if Nexus continues with its current trend they will only push more authors to greener pastures.

Also don't start with that "Cathedral" BS, modding is all about sharing and caring and each authors does its best in its own way, I gave user support for all these years, I gave you my mods for free all these years, every single time there was a users reporting a bug I did my best to fix them, but according to Mr. IXBlackWolfXI, I am selfish and entitled for simply not wanting to stay on a website that takes full control over my mods so they can make even more money from those mods...

And the measly 50 buck I made in all these years...oh wait, Nexus also took that away from me while they likely made 20+ times more money from the mods I uploaded there, then they smear me as a "harasser" for simply trying to talk to another author about this whole Nexus situation and how my permissions were never intended to be used on a website that now hoards all those assets I FREELY shared.(as in, no money should be involved, aka, FREE)
How lame does it need to get, my mods, my assets, are not to be used in any manner that makes money from them, Nexus taking away control and marketing mods in their software (Vortex) as products is exactly that, making money, which I am 100% against.

What Nexus did before was fine, authors had control, Nexus had ads for revenue, but now Nexus takes control of all the mods to be used as PRODUCTS to be indirectly sold for their software, without these products their software is useless and without this software their premium would be useless, it all ties together, but bottom line is Nexus is NOT taking away the ability of authors to remove their mods for the betterment of users or for their mod lists, thats just an excuse, the real reason is Nexus simply wants to make big profit on the backs of authors who make free mods, effectively making authors work for them for free... slave labor in a nutshell.
And don't start with the "donation points", thats literally a penny you get for every buck Nexus earns, all off the back of free mods, and as you have seen in my case, Nexus uses them as a way to blackmail you or simply take them away, I know of other authors who got private messages from either moderators or from Robin himself where they got threatened to "shut up" or they would be banned and lose everything as well.

And all the while, I'm supposed to be the owner of my own mods and I should have the IP, just think about everything I said for a minute before you attack me again with more nonsense, what Nexus shows you on the surface is just a facade, its simply a private website with the sole purpose of making a profit, and now they will begin doing it by hoarding mods for themselves and selling those mods indirectly though software that need premium to even function properly.

This is why I left, and this is why more will leave too, or will simply stop updating their mods on Nexus and move on.
Regardless of what you want to make up and pretend, I am not alone in this and deep down you should understand the underlying issue is not the authors here. So stop blaming authors.

[smr1957]

Originally posted by Ac3s:

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By the way, my mods are long on another website...

For those who don't wish to google, Ac3s' mods -
Tel Avius
Tel Nalta
Lakeview Extended
can be found here (links for both Oldrim and SSE versions):
https://www.afkmods.com/index.php?/profile/23966-ac3s/content/&type=downloads_file

[Ac3s]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Originally posted by Ac3s:

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By the way, my mods are long on another website...

For those who don't wish to google, Ac3s' mods -
Tel Avius
Tel Nalta
Lakeview Extended
can be found here (links for both Oldrim and SSE versions):
https://www.afkmods.com/index.php?/profile/23966-ac3s/content/&type=downloads_file

Indeed, my "main" mods are still available, as they have always been, as they will always be, for free.
Ive got some other smaller mods, but I really want to wait for better websites to finish building and be fully functional before I start uploading more, but making such websites takes time, like months...

[mikk011]

I'm a longtime user of Lakeview Extended, and have recommended it in the forums on several occasions. Thank you for finding new hosts for your mods.

[258789553873]

Well, after that vicious tirade (which I couldn't even stand to read in its entirity), I won't be using aces mods ever again, no matter what. I think now we see the type of behavior he's apparently infamous for. I never would've thought he was THAT utterly vicious though. And holy wall of text, he seriously makes me feel terse.

Anyway, since he clearly doesn't want anyone to use his mods, guess I should respect his wishes and not do so. I didn't pay anything for it anyway, so why should I care about not using it?

And for the record, I am a mod author myself. I just never wanted to reveal that here since the pack of trolls that hound me here would no doubt harrass me on my nexus account too. I don't see this 'mistreatment' the nexus has been doing. Also, I would never dare delete my own mods. Of course, I've never exactly gotten onto the trending page or anything, and in fact nothing I've uploaded has gotten more than about 25 downloads, but I leave them up for people who need them, and I do still see the occasional download. Why does it matter to me if I can't remove them? You can't remove posts you make online. Anything you do online is permanent. Besides, if nexus was being really tyranical, they could just un-delete any mods you remove. They surely still have all the deleted mods in a database, and could easily re-enable them if they so wished. Since they're obviously not doing that, it seems like they aren't as tyrannical as a lot of immature mod authors are suggesting.

Also, it isn't that hard to make a website. When I was taking my programming classes, they had us designing some fairly elaborate sites for our exams, in-class too. Besides, even by programming standards its not exactly the hardest thing to do. Heck, making a clone of the game snake was far more time-intensive than any website I've made, and we're talking about a program here that's only about 200 lines in length.

[Ilja]

Originally posted by Ac3s:

Regardless of what you want to make up and pretend, I am not alone in this and deep down you should understand the underlying issue is not the authors here. So stop blaming authors.

We have gone back and forth with this and I believe most here agree with mod author rights. In fact, that has been general consensus.

Thank you for opening up your point of view. Feel free to stick around. There is a bunch of coffee drinking old farts (and some tea lovers) that would be very interested of any input you have.

Originally posted by IXBlackWolfXI:

And holy wall of text

Thanks for cheering me up, pal. I really needed a good laugh tonight.

[Siddha]

I dont understand why some people begrudge Nexus making revenue and thereby being able to run servers and an office and pay their employees. Just because modding is a hobby does not mean Nexus should be a hobby project too. PC gaming is a hobby for me but I dont expect nor want Steam to be run as a hobby by hobbyists....ditto Nexus.
I've been using Nexus for years. I find their service excellent. I'm glad they can make money doing it. It cost a lot of money to run an operation like Nexus. Good service cost money.
I also think collections is a good development overall for Nexus modding and the games. Dont know if I will ever use it but I'm pretty sure there are many more casual players who will; and that imo is a good thing.
The naysayers will either get over it or move on. So far it looks as though most modders are going along with it and not removing their mods.

[Engineer]

This thread is no longer constructive and has therefore been locked. Thanks for your understanding.