Something is wrong with the dogs in Skyrim

[R0S3R4BB1T]

Hi,
So I ran into an issue where the dogs (vanilla and the dawnguard huskies) do this thing where they stand straight with their tail pointing out but their head is normal and still moving, I believe it is called the T pose. I don't think it started doing this until now, or at least I didn't notice it. I have a couple mods installed and I tried disabling them to see if that would fix it but the problem is still there. I also tried starting a new game but the dogs still did that. Does anyone have any advice on how to fix this? I want to see if I can fix the problem in case it gets worse..

It doesn't seem to affect anything else so I guess I am blessed that this is the only thing messing with my game however it still kind of bothers me...

Screenshots:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1660412379
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1660412435
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1660412472

[Angelfyre]

That sounds like an animation bug, if you go into your properties of Skyrim here on Steam you can go and validate files and it should replace any that are missing or broken. If it dosent find anything wrong then it may be a deeper issue

[smr1957]

Click the button below Update FNIS Behavior that says De-install Creatures

Had that issue with horses and first tried what Angeliceron suggested - until I found the above answer. (was looking for the original reference on FNIS site - just can't locate it offhand, now)

[smr1957]

Here's the post:
https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/2482784-monsters-and-animals-frozen-in-t-pose/

[R0S3R4BB1T]

@Angelicorn Oof that didn't seem to fix the issue. Thank you anyways though. Hopefully the problem isn't THAT deep..

[Eternie]

That can also seem to happen if you turned off the AI of a dog ... say like Barbas.
So if you have ever used a console command which effected the AI of an animal that could be the result.

[R0S3R4BB1T]

@Eternie I don't think I did anything that would turn off the AI of a dog... but if I did how would I go about fixing that?

[R0S3R4BB1T]

@smr1957 Could you explain that a little better please? I don't understand what you mean. Is that a mod or...?

[Eternie]

1 First step would be to verify your game files to make sure nothing is missing.

Right click Skyrim in steam library. select properties, local tab, then verify cache.
Let it do it's checking, it will always find 1 file missing if it finds more that are missing that may be where your problem came from. Restart your computer before opening Skyrim reloading a previous save Before you deleted any Mods ... then test to see if your problem is fixed.

2 Do you use Loot to sort your load order?
https://loot.github.io/ click three bars in center to run loot and have it sort your load order
When done click the three dots in top right select copy load order and paste here in thread


3 Have you rerun FNIS ?
The Tpose is usually associated with FNIS not working.

4 Where in your load order is your XPMSE skeleton mod?
if it's too high in your load order, such that it gets over ridden.

You could try putting your XPMSE mod as low as possible in load order and see if that helps.

[smr1957]

I get the feeling that you do not have FNIS installed.

If you have a mod that adds animations, you need to install FNIS:
Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/11811

Each time you install or uninstall a mod that requires FNIS, you need to run FNIS (this is explained in the mod's pages) or you will get that T-pose - or frozen animal if it is a beast animation. The best thing right now is to do as Eternie suggests in the above post.

[R0S3R4BB1T]

OKAY. So I did step 1 which did not work. I also do not, and never have had FNIS or XPMSE installed on my game.

I did run LOOT and these are the results, btw I am still kind of new to this modding thing so bear with me please:

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 MainMenu.esp
6 6 Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp

[smr1957]

Undoubtedly, one of the mods that you say had been installed and which you removed required FNIS - and since you did not have FNIS, you have the results of that that you see. You would need to install FNIS and run it - and hope that doing so corrects the problem - or, if it does not correct the problem, do a complete reinstall of the game according to this guide:
Resetting Skyrim to Vanilla or A Clean Reinstall by grimus - http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/357285562484690267/

Furthermore, if you are new to modding, as you say, then you absolutely must read the following and do all they say you need to do if you intend to mod the game further.

Excellent advice regarding modding Skyrim (essay written by PeggleFrank - written for original Skyrim, but basic principles apply to SSE, as well) http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/343787920127409994/#c343787920127583150

Player and Modding Resources by Ilja http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/594821545176386165/
VERY IMPORTANT if you wish to successfully mod your game

And refer to this resource:
HELPFUL LINKS AND REFERENCES
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/1482109512314623696/

And, it is absolutely essential that you install:
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71214

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by FoxesOutofBoxes:

OKAY. So I did step 1 which did not work. I also do not, and never have had FNIS or XPMSE installed on my game.

I did run LOOT and these are the results, btw I am still kind of new to this modding thing so bear with me please:

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 MainMenu.esp
6 6 Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp

did you had other mods installed? (because you mentioned in the beginning you disabled couple of mods)

[R0S3R4BB1T]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

Originally posted by FoxesOutofBoxes:

OKAY. So I did step 1 which did not work. I also do not, and never have had FNIS or XPMSE installed on my game.

I did run LOOT and these are the results, btw I am still kind of new to this modding thing so bear with me please:

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 MainMenu.esp
6 6 Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp

did you had other mods installed? (because you mentioned in the beginning you disabled couple of mods)

In the past I have. But I had deleted them from Nexus Mod Manager a long time ago. These are the only mods I had on when I discovered the problem as well as an audio fix for the wolves howling because Dawnguard had them on mute (which doesn't show up in LOOT for some reason). And when I saw disabling them didn't fix the issue I reinstalled them.

[✠Deser✞🅵☣⚔⚔♏✠]

Originally posted by FoxesOutofBoxes:

Originally posted by Grumpy:

did you had other mods installed? (because you mentioned in the beginning you disabled couple of mods)

In the past I have. But I had deleted them from Nexus Mod Manager a long time ago. These are the only mods I had on when I discovered the problem as well as an audio fix for the wolves howling because Dawnguard had them on mute (which doesn't show up in LOOT for some reason). And when I saw disabling them didn't fix the issue I reinstalled them.

You don't need FNIS for Vanilla assets, if i had to guess i would guess that number 6 is messing with the Dawnguard dogs.

Remove it completely including all scripts and animations that come with it (To Test), if that doesn't work i would run an file integrity check.

Also i just read you had a wolf mod installed, using nexus mod manager scripts and animations never get fully removed.

You might want to consider doing a fresh install and using Mod Organizer to manage your files.

[Eternie]

Originally posted by FoxesOutofBoxes:

OKAY. So I did step 1 which did not work. I also do not, and never have had FNIS or XPMSE installed on my game.

I did run LOOT and these are the results, btw I am still kind of new to this modding thing so bear with me please:

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 MainMenu.esp
6 6 Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp

"Random Vampire Attacks Disabled mod" is perfectly fine in my load order and has been for years. It's a simple mod that works well. Do Not remove it.

I haven't used "Main Menu mod" but that also seems like a light and mod that wouldn't be effecting anything either.

As smr1947 and Grumpy pointed however if you previously had mods installed especially mods that had animation files they may have left files behind in amongst the document files. That is what needs to be cleaned and brought back to vanilla. If you follow their links to

Resetting Skyrim to Vanilla or A Clean Reinstall by grimus -
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/357285562484690267/