Constant CTD on loading save files with no reason.

[Asterix Ace]

I keep crashing on my most played/recent character for absolutely no reasson, I have used Save-tool to look If I have any orphan scripts, I have none, I have cleaned out my mastefiles with TES5EDIT, and sorted my load order with LOOT. And yet all 3 of my recent save files (not auto or quick( just KEEP crashing, with no crashlog to be seen, Two of the save files are inside interior cells, and the other one is outside. I use load game CTD,fix, and Crash Fixes, along side skse.ini for lazy users, I have the correct ini's set-up and my enblocal.ini is correctly set. If I start a new game it does not crash, however loading into my current keeps crashing. I am completely lost on why, since crashfixes is not giving me any logs.

[Asterix Ace]

Whats truly bizzare is that I was recently playing the crashing savefile, after giving up and deciding to just create a new save file. When I decided to stop playing I went to go load up the crashing save file, since I wanted to quit anyway and just to see if it would crash again, cos why not, and to my surprise I actually loaded in, and was playing for awhile, I then quit that, decided to go back on later, and then it started crashing again. Wtf is this magic going on with this game!?

[Star Lord]

RyanBurnsRed の投稿を引用：

If you're absolutely adamant on keeping that mod list then you might want to consider my advice, especially when it comes to making a bashed or smash patch, but for either of those to work you need to be under the limit anyway because either option will make a plugin afterwards that will count towards the load order.

I've been modding Bethesda games for awhile, especially Skyrim but this is the first time I've tried not only more mods but taking a more manual approach in manually moving load orders around. I've actually been trying to find information on how to patch/merge plugins as I know I've reached that limit. I've been reading the documentation for the Merge Plugins utility (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/69905) but I've been wondering how you know "what" to merge. Do you try to group different things together like weapons mods, armor mods, texture, etc. or is it more for taking plugins of the one mod and merging them together?

I have about 334 mods translating to 423 plugins listed in Vortex. I let Vortex sort the ones it could and I read mod pages for the ones Vortex didn't know and then spent the rest of the time moving the load order around based on a load order structure I found online. When I start the game, nothing happens. When I run the game through SKSE, I see the exe show up in Task Manager and then it disappears.

I've also looked at SSEEdit but I don't know what I'm doing there.

Are there any guides/videos out there that discuss patching/merging plugins and SSEEdit and how to use them?

[RyanBurnsRed]

I'd say merge like mods together, usually in the same category. You can also try merging patches together.

So I'd merge True Eyes and KSHair plugins for example.
If you use Relationship Dialogue Overhaul you'll probably need to use some patches with it depending on other mods you've got. Well you can merge those patches to make 1 plugin instead of having 2 or 3 separate ones.

Look at your mod list and see what you think would best fit in 1 whole plugin. Merging a bunch of different ones could cause problems or not. Seems to be trial and error really although you might get lucky and find some info from people that have already tried certain merges.

[RyanBurnsRed]

When it comes to bashed/smash patch I don't actually use either one myself. I'm under 150 plugins right now and my game plays better without those patches. I've been told those patches help mods play well together by merging records and level lists together.

I only know that Skyrim follows the rule of one, that if two mods edit the same level list then the last one wins, and that a bashed patch helps make these two mods work better with each other. Honestly it goes a bit over my head.

GamerPoets has a tutorial on using xEdit to make a merged patch here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Tw3t2MvaU

Then you can watch his video on Wyre Bash here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Es06MtAZM

And finally merging plugins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S6cpCwTezE

Perhaps best in that order

I'll probably watch these videos myself too but for now my game plays fairly well and I'm well below the plugin limit so I don't have an immediate need to.

Good luck my friend.

Edit:

Star Lord の投稿を引用：

I have about 334 mods translating to 423 plugins listed in Vortex. I let Vortex sort the ones it could and I read mod pages for the ones Vortex didn't know and then spent the rest of the time moving the load order around based on a load order structure I found online. When I start the game, nothing happens. When I run the game through SKSE, I see the exe show up in Task Manager and then it disappears.

I've also looked at SSEEdit but I don't know what I'm doing there.

When you start up SSEEdit and you let it load all your plugins, does it give you an error?
It sounds to me like you might've accidentally moved some plugins around that depend on others and it's causing the game to crash.

You shouldn't have to do much manual sorting if you're using Vortex. At best you'd probably have to tell it to load 1 or 2 mods after another specifically if it doesn't do it automatically.

SSEEdit would tell you if anything is out of place or missing masters when you load all your mods through it. It'll tell you on the right hand side. If it's successful then it'll say "Background Loader finished"

[Star Lord]

Thanks for the reply.

The only error I see in SSEEdit is "Too many full modules" which after some searching led me to the limit of 255 mods. I was surprised as I didn't have this issue with Fallout 4 as I have about 350 mods loaded there. But then I remembered that despite this being a "remastered" version that may have not been expanded. But I cannot get past the Module Selection popup due to that error.

So I did have one issue I was working on. I had a dependency issue (forgot what it was called ) where the example was A > C > B, i.e mods were not correctly placed in order. It had to do with about 8 mods, several I remember were Skyrim 2020, Skyrim 2020 4.01 Riften Parallax, SIMM, Immersive College at Winterhold. Anyway the Skyrim 2020s were correct. But there were loops going on with SIMM and Immersive College at Winterhold and one other group. The College was the one that was being loaded last so it took several tries of moving the arrows around (in the graphical "flowchart" view in Vortex) before it cleared up. I can't remember exactly how I did it but I'll post the load order below. I am having a rough time deciding what gets loaded first between texture and graphical mods and locations like the College ones. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
DSerCombatGameplayOverhaul.esp
OCS + LOTD5 Patch.esp
3DNPC.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim II.esm
Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp
LoS II - BlackthornManor patch.esp
Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp
LoS II - Bruma patch.esp
LoS II - Eli's Breezehome patch.esp
LoS II - Enhanced Solitude SSE patch.esp
LoS II - JKs Skyrim patch.esp
LoS II - Kynesgrove patch.esp
LoS II - Lantern Workers.esp
LoS II - LotD patch.esp
LoS II - SMIM patch.esp
LoS II - Solitude Expansion patch.esp
LoS II - Weathered Road Signs patch.esp
Nemesis PCEA.esp
WiZkiD Signs - Interesting NPC patch.esp
WiZkiD Signs - No Snow Under the Roof patch.esp
SE - Better Cities Patch.esp
PCE - 3DNPC Patch.esp
RealisticRoomRental-Basic.esp
RRR - Immersive Citizens Patch.esp
Black Dragon Arrow.esp
Ars Metallica - LSC Patch.esp
AOS_ISC_Integration.esp
TrueAurielBow.esp
BAAB_English_MaxDamage_v1_2_5.esp
CH BRU_BRE_FAL.esp
Vivid Weathers SE - Bruma Patch.esp
OwnCivilWar.esp
CFTO-Lanterns.esp
CFTO - Immersive Citizens Patch.esp
PCE - ELFX PATCH.esp
Vivid Weathers SE - Falskaar.esp
PCE - ELFXEnhancer Patch.esp
Vivid WeathersSE.esp
PCE - Holidays Patch.esp
PCE - Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch.esp
PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
PCE - Open Cities Patch.esp
PCE - RDO Patch.esp
PCE - USSEP+CRF Patch.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - ASLAL Patch.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
50 More Perk Points.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
beltfastenedquivers.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
Campfire.esm
BirdsOfSkyrim_SSE.esp
CFTO.esp
Celtic_Music_In_Skyrim_SE.esp
CelticDecorSkyrimI.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
VioLens SE.esp
WetandCold.esp
Levionte_Yennefer.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
WeaponsOfTheShogunate.esp
ScoiataelBows.esp
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
OBIS SE.esp
Open Cities Skyrim.esp
More Weapons Please.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Holidays.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Faction Crossbows.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
Armory of Favored Soul.esp
ArmoryFSShields.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
j3x-autocrossbows.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Immersive Encounters - Open Cities Patch.esp
JSwords-ImmersiveWeaponsPatch.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
DaedricAssassinArmorLight.esp
Daedric Stealth Suit.esp
DarkBrotherhoodArmor.esp
CrossbowsOfSkyrim.esp
Crime Overhaul Expanded.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Compound Bow Collection.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Civil War Refugees.esp
Craftable Lockpicks.esp
Dienes_Crafting_Storage(GS).esp
CrimeDecay.esp
OBS_ClosingTime.esp
Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp
CaranthirTowerReborn.esp
GeneralStores.esm
Eli_Breezehome.esp
dragonslayerarrows - temper.esp
Diversity - A Character Overhaul.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
CFTO - Winterhold Carriage.esp
CFTO-CoveredCarriages.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
Kynreeve Armor.esp
KatanaCrafting.esp
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
Man Those Borders!.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
nwsFF_NTMD_Apocalypse.esp
BSAssets.esm
JKs Skyrim.esp
Enhanced Solitude SSE.esp
Enhanced Solitude SSE USSEP Patch.esp
Enhanced Solitude OC Patch.esp
Enhanced Solitude Expansion SSE.esp
excalibursword.esp
EmbersHD - RLO Patch.esp
ElysiumEstate.esp
gameofthronesweaponpack.esp
Footprints.esp
BlackthornManor.esp
Solitude Expansion.esp
Billyro Swords.esp
Bells of Skyrim - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
ElementalArrows.esp
EternalShineArmorAndWeaponsSse.esp
Enhanced Landscapes USSEP Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
Provincial Courier Service.esp
Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
Point The Way.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp
SamuraiSoul.esp
Hearthfire General Stores Addon.esp
Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
Skyrim Bridges.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Beyond Skyrim Bruma.esp
Open Cities Skyrim - Holidays.esp
JKs Skyrim_Open Cities_Patch.esp
JK's Whiterun-Open cities SSE.esp
SE -OC Patch 2.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Open Cities Patch.esp
notice board - open cities patch.esp
notice board.esp
Enhanced Landscapes - IC Patch.esp
BS_DLC_patch.esp
arnima.esm
Better City Entrances - All in one - SSE.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
CWIBDSPatch.esp
Better Dynamic Snow - NSUTR Patch.esp
Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
Weathered Road Signs - No Snow Shader.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
Weathered Road Signs.esp
Weathered Road Signs - CRF.esp
WeightlessOV_MERGED_BCS.esp
Winterhold Restored.esp
Winterhold Restored - NSUTR Patch.esp
Winterhold Restored - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
Winterhold Restored - BDS Patch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp
PyP_Legendary.esp
Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp
Skyrim Better Roads - The Rift.esp
Skyrim Better Roads - Winterhold.esp
Skyrim Better Roads - EastMarch.esp
Undeath.esp
skyBirds_SSE.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
SkyrimIsWindy.esp
LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp
AKSkyrimUnderground.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
Smoking Torches And Candles.esp
SneakSpells.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
SofiaFollower.esp
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Arcanum.esp
General Stores for Severin Manor SSE.esp
adonnays elven warblade.esp
ABT SE - Faster Arrows Improved.esp
MINPCS.esp
LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp
JK's The Bannered Mare.esp
JKs The Drunken Huntsman.esp
JK's Warmaiden's.esp
JKs Whiterun.esp
JKs Whiterun exterior.esp
JK's Arcadia's Cauldron.esp
JK's Belethor's General Goods.esp
JK's Dragonsreach.esp
JK's Riverwood.esp
JK's SkyHaven Forge.esp
JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Infinity Sword.esp
Inigo.esp
InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack.esp
Immersive Wenches.esp
Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp
PoS_ImmersiveSounds_Patch.esp
AHZBetterDGEntranceSE.esp
ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp
IMAGINATOR SSE - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp
IMAGINATOR - MCMenu.esp
AHZBetterDGEntranceSE - BSHeartland Patch.esp
AHZBetterDGEntranceSE-ELFXPatch.esp
PoS Elemental Destruction Patch SE.esp
PoS_Apocalypse_Patch.esp
Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp
OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
nordicrangerarmor.esp
JK's Warmaiden's ELFX patch.esp
JK's The Bannered Mare ELFX patch.esp
JKs Skyrim_Holidays_Patch.esp
CFTO-JK-Patch.esp
Blackthorn Manor Enhanced Landscapes Patch.esp
Falskaar.esm
Enhanced Solitude SSE Bells of Skyrim patch.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
Fort(ified) Dawnguard.esp
Glowing Arrows V3 SSE - The Remaster Edition.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
HereticArmorPub.esp
Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged.esp
Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim City Edition - Merged.esp
HoldBorderBanners.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
Windhelm Docks Pathways SE.esp
Windhelm Docks Pathways SE - Open Cities Skyrim Patch.esp
Windhelm Docks Pathways SE - Better Docks AIO Patch.esp
Volkihar Knight.esp
WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp
Undeath PoS Patch.esp
BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp
SE - Better Docks Patch.esp
HelgenReborn+CFTO.esp
CTR_Patch_UniqueUniques.esp
CTR_Patch_OpenCities.esp
No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
DawnguardArsenal.esp
DGA-ArsMSE CompatPatch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - ELFX Patch.esp
Sneak Tools - Embers HD Patch.esp
ELFX Fixes.esp
Cutting Room Floor Enhanced Landscapes Patch.esp
Enhanced Landscapes Inigo Patch.esp
CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
JKs Skyrim_Better Docks_Patch.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
ktWeaponPackSE.esp
Kynesgrove.esp
LoS II - JKs Riverwood patch.esp
LoS II - Skyrim Bridges patch.esp
DBM_AOS_Patch.esp
Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
EBT - IC PATCH.esp
BosmerElderShadowArmor.esp
AK- Cowl of the Grey Fox.esp
More idle markers.esp
PathOfSorcery.esp
Pathfinders.esp
Perk Points and More Gold for Bounty Quests.esp
Phenderix Magic World.esp
Riften Docks Pathways SE.esp
Riften Docks Pathways SE - Open Cities Skyrim Patch.esp
Riften Docks Pathways SE - Better Docks AIO Patch.esp
Sepolcri - Enhanced Solitude patch.esp
Sepolcri.esp
Haladoonbows.esp
Shadow Ranger Gear by Natterforme.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
The Legends-Breton Knight.esp
Tomebound - Immersive Sounds Patch.esp
TheDarkPathSpells.esp
ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp
ShadowDancer.esp
SSE_TGHQO.esp
SSE_TGHQO OCS Patch.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
ScopedBows.esp
UniqueBorderGates - No Pale Pass Gate.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
UniqueBorderGates-All.esp
PCE - JKs Dragonsreach Patch.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Immersive Encounters.esp
JSwordsD.esm
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
nwsFollowerFramework.esp
BSHeartland.esm
EmbersHD.esp
Bells of Skyrim - OCS+ICAIO Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Enhanced Landscapes.esp
CWICRFSEPatch.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp
ABT SE - Faster Bolts Improved.esp
3DNPC0.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
DBM_ArsMetallica_Patch.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Tomebound - Ordinator Patch.esp
ScopedBows_EagleEyeTweak.esp
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
Cloaks.esp
Bells of Skyrim - Reduced Volume.esp
CWIEnLFXSEPatch.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ABT SE - Increased Bolts Damage.esp
DBM_BeyondReach_Patch.esp
Tomebound - PathOfSorcery Patch.esp
Bells of Skyrim.esp
CWIOpenCitiesSEPatch.esp
ABT SE - Increased Progressive Damage.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
Tomebound.esp
CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
ABT SE - Loot Ammo.esp
DBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
ABT SE - Merchants Arrows.esp
DBM_DGA_Patch.esp
ABT SE - Recover Ammo.esp
DBM_ELFXExteriors_Patch.esp
DBM_ELFX_Patch.esp
DBM_EnhancedLandscapes_Patch.esp
DBM_EnhancedSolitude_Patch.esp
DBM_Falskaar_Patch.esp
DBM_GuardsArmorReplacer_Patch.esp
DBM_HA_Patch.esp
DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
DBM_ISC_Patch.esp
DBM_IW_Patch.esp
DBM_ImmersiveCollegeofWinterhold_Patch.esp
DBM_JKArcadia_Patch.esp
DBM_JKBannered_Patch.esp
DBM_JKBelethor_Patch.esp
DBM_JKDragonsreach_Patch.esp
DBM_JKDrunken_Patch.esp
DBM_JKSkyrim_Patch.esp
DBM_JKWarmaidens_Patch.esp
DBM_JaysusSwords_Patch.esp
DBM_MAS_Patch.esp
DBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.esp
DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp
DBM_PCE_Patch.esp
DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp
DBM_SkyTEST_Patch.esp
DBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.esp
DBM_SolitudeExpansion_Patch.esp
DBM_Undeath_Patch.esp
DBM_UnreadBooksGlow_Patch.esp
DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp
DBM_ktWeaponPackSE_Patch.esp

[RyanBurnsRed]

Fallout 4 has the same plugin limit as both Skyrim versions. It's a limit of the engine that goes back to Morrowind. The only way Bethesda got around the limit is with esl files for the creation club. You can have as many mods as you want but you can only have 255 plugins including the game's main esm. You've got 400 plugins there, you're gonna have to merge or get rid of some...and by some I mean a lot. Merge all of your patches to their own respective mods. So all those DBM patches you'll want to merge into one.

Texture overwrites are really just dependent on which ever texture you prefer to you use. You can either use Skyrim 2020 or SMIM as a base and overwrite from there based on whichever texture you want to win. On the Skyrim 2020 page the author says you can let it overwrite SMIM, then have College of Winterhold overwrite that.

[smr1957]

Star Lord, please start your own thread - do not hijack other's. But, if you want definitive info on merging, go here:

Merging Plugins
https://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/2263565850578451380/
(from PINNED TOPIC Helpful Links and References, Section 4, Modding the Game)

And if you have questions, start your own thread.

[Asterix Ace]

Welp, my other character is now CTDing on loadup everytime now, the only savefile that doesnt CTD is the alternate start room Savefile I kept of my second character. I am still getting zero crash messages and no context on why I am crashing, only thing that "might" be causing, is this HDTPE physics message I keep getting within the .txt file;

"WARNING: Cannot bind bone : 6376a990 REF WeaponSword - bone doesn't exist"

The only mods I have that use the HDTPE physics extension are the Illustrious Cloaks of Skyrim HDTPE, Daedric & Divine Cloaks, and lastly HDTPE Weapon sling, which I think is what the error message is about. Since that is the only mod would link with weapons and HDTPE.

[smr1957]

Aesir の投稿を引用：

Welp, my other character is now CTDing on loadup everytime now, the only savefile that doesnt CTD is the alternate start room Savefile I kept of my second character. I am still getting zero crash messages and no context on why I am crashing, only thing that "might" be causing, is this HDTPE physics message I keep getting within the .txt file;

"WARNING: Cannot bind bone : 6376a990 REF WeaponSword - bone doesn't exist"

The only mods I have that use the HDTPE physics extension are the Illustrious Cloaks of Skyrim HDTPE, Daedric & Divine Cloaks, and lastly HDTPE Weapon sling, which I think is what the error message is about. Since that is the only mod would link with weapons and HDTPE.

There have been issues with some mods that apply HDT Physics to cloaks or weapons, so I would not be surprised if that is the cause of the CTDs - at least it is worth looking into. I know that personally, although the idea of physics on cloaks is nice, I did run into issues when testing - usually the stretch to infinity bug - so just went back to cloaks without physics.