It's totally OK to kill Paarthurnax

[Alejandro]

You're a dragon slayer, he's a dragon. End of story.

[Rez Elwin]

Ya if you forget the fact he helped you save the entire world and without him you would be dead.

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Ya if you forget the fact he helped you save the entire world and without him you would be dead.

He didn't save the world, the Dragonborn did. What he actually did was to betray his own kind, and form a cult of his own worship.

[MacSuibhne]

I have a different take: Your character is not a "dragon slayer" but rather the Dragon Born. Which means that you share at least some genes (?), attributes & perspectives with the Dova--a certain-sure kinship, on many levels.

And more so with Paarthurnax.

IMO...

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Alejandro:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Ya if you forget the fact he helped you save the entire world and without him you would be dead.

He didn't save the world, the Dragonborn did. What he actually did was to betray his own kind, and form a cult of his own worship.

Without his help you would have not learned Dragonrend, and without that you wouldn't win. Paathurnax also didn't form a cult, the men who were taught the way of the Voice from him and their descendants choose to follow him and his path of non-violence, they are monks not cultists.

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Originally posted by Alejandro:

He didn't save the world, the Dragonborn did. What he actually did was to betray his own kind, and form a cult of his own worship.

Without his help you would have not learned Dragonrend, and without that you wouldn't win. Paathurnax also didn't form a cult, the men who were taught the way of the Voice from him and their descendants choose to follow him and his path of non-violence, they are monks not cultists.

Without him betraying his own kind people would have found another way he is just a simple tool in the big picture and he has served his role already. That's a cult what you describe, those same monks have no problems with you "learning" other words by killing other dragons, but just don't kill THEIR dragon otherwise they will be unhappy...

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by MacSuibhne:

I have a different take: Your character is not a "dragon slayer" but rather the Dragon Born. Which means that you share at least some genes (?), attributes & perspectives with the Dova--a certain-sure kinship, on many levels.

And more so with Paarthurnax.

IMO...

Yes it's true but in practice this is what you are meant to do, to save the world and the only way to do it is by consuming the souls of dead dragons.
Paarthurnax knows the prophesy, this is why he turned against his own kind he wanted to make a sweet deal for himself, the main reason why he offers the other view of "you are in charge of your own destiny, you don't need to do anything", which he sold to the Greybeards is to try and stop the judgement upon himself, but he knows he is guilty.
The same Greybeards don't want you to kill their dragon because they bought in the whole story, for them it's fine that Alduin ends the world one day.

[GrimCat]

Originally posted by Alejandro:

Originally posted by MacSuibhne:

I have a different take: Your character is not a "dragon slayer" but rather the Dragon Born. Which means that you share at least some genes (?), attributes & perspectives with the Dova--a certain-sure kinship, on many levels.

And more so with Paarthurnax.

IMO...

Yes it's true but in practice this is what you are meant to do, to save the world and the only way to do it is by consuming the souls of dead dragons.
Paarthurnax knows the prophesy, this is why he turned against his own kind he wanted to make a sweet deal for himself, the main reason why he offers the other view of "you are in charge of your own destiny, you don't need to do anything", which he sold to the Greybeards is to try and stop the judgement upon himself, but he knows he is guilty.
The same Greybeards don't want you to kill their dragon because they bought in the whole story, for them it's fine that Alduin ends the world one day.

Lots of conjecture with no evidence.

[MehnixIsThatGuy]

How dare you harm a member of the Dragonbros. Paarthurnax, Odahviing, and Durnehviir are the OG's.

I mean, sure, in the past he murdered a bunch of people, but considering during the course of the game you can become a vampire/werewolf, an assassin, and servant to various Daedric princes, it's not that much of a big deal. Plus who wouldn't want a dragon friend to burn their enemies?

Perhaps if the Dragonborn was played as a stick-up-their-arsed hero of justice who believes no villian can be redeemed regardless of what actions they undertake, then sure you can kill him. But like who would do that when it means you're not allowed to kill people like Nazeem or get cool vampire powers.

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by Grim Dolo:

Originally posted by Alejandro:

Yes it's true but in practice this is what you are meant to do, to save the world and the only way to do it is by consuming the souls of dead dragons.
Paarthurnax knows the prophesy, this is why he turned against his own kind he wanted to make a sweet deal for himself, the main reason why he offers the other view of "you are in charge of your own destiny, you don't need to do anything", which he sold to the Greybeards is to try and stop the judgement upon himself, but he knows he is guilty.
The same Greybeards don't want you to kill their dragon because they bought in the whole story, for them it's fine that Alduin ends the world one day.

Lots of conjecture with no evidence.

Well here are facts:
That particular dragon killed tons of people, and then betrayed his own kind and went against the other dragons.
He established an alliance with humans where he learned to not simply destroy them and while in exchange of him being safe he is giving them knowledge of what he knows.
He hides from the world and doesn't want to die, he plays the devils advocate and tries to convince Dragonborn that it maybe is totally fine that the world ends, the same story is preached by the Greybeards that follow Paarthurnax, obviously.
His name means Ambition, Overlord, Cruelty.


Now, just because he talks to you, it doesn't mean he isn't much different from any other dragon that you kill along the way. The Greybeards are aware that every time they send you to a location for a word, that you might just kill a dragon there and as long as that dragon isn't their master they will be friendly towards you.

[Tumbleweed Tea]

It's totaly OK to have Killable Children mod.

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by Earl the Grey:

It's totaly OK to have Killable Children mod.

Not the subject.

[Valden21]

OP, you're ignoring the fact that dragons were created by Alduin back when he was still an aspect of Akatosh, BEFORE he was given individuality. So in a very real sense, Paarthurnax isn't betraying his brother so much as he's obeying his dad, Akatosh. Remember, it was Alduin who betrayed Akatosh first, by proclaiming himself a god despite all evidence the contrary and by eating the souls of the dead even though that wasn't what he was supposed to do. Besides, Paarthurnax didn't betray Alduin until after Kynareth gave him a visit, so his "betrayal" was fully acknowledged and condoned by the Divines.

[AoFA | FightDrug *-* [GER]]

Originally posted by Alejandro:

Originally posted by Earl the Grey:

It's totaly OK to have Killable Children mod.

Not the subject.

no no no no... dont see just that what you wanna see when you wanna be a racist then right so go kill children i mean how you would say : there alive and you are a dragon slayer what means you slay baby dragons its OK

[no1schmo]

A) Yes, he betrayed his own people...the bad guys. You're mad at him for being one of the bad guys and mad at him for then working against the bad guys. You are contradicting yourself.

B) Yes, he worked with humans to save them (and no, there is no evidence that, without him, humans would have been just fine; there might have been another millennia of barbaric enslavement for all we know). Alduin might have destroyed the world if not stopped at that point.

C) Yes, he hides, because he doesn't want the Blades to kill him, and he is watching for Alduin. He does NOT try to convince you of anything; he merely challenges you. There is nothing wrong with this. You can challenge someone you agree with to help them fully explore and justify their beliefs. Alduin is the world-eater, that is his job, Paarthurnax is just asking you if you are willing to resist the natural order--he does not condemn you for doing so.

D) His name is irrelevant. If your parents named you after a warlord, that doesn't mean you're a bad person.

E) Why are you remarking about the Graybeards not being particularly concerned with the lives of dragons like this matters somehow (not to mention your utter lack of evidence to this point; how do we know that the Graybeards know that dragons hang around word walls? And it's not like the dragons HAD to fight you, especially to the death, that was their choice.) Again, you are simultaneously arguing that dragons are bad, and killing dragons is bad. You are not very logically consistent.

[AoFA | FightDrug *-* [GER]]

Originally posted by no1schmo:

A) Yes, he betrayed his own people...the bad guys. You're mad at him for being one of the bad guys and mad at him for then working against the bad guys. You are contradicting yourself.

B) Yes, he worked with humans to save them (and no, there is no evidence that, without him, humans would have been just fine; there might have been another millennia of barbaric enslavement for all we know). Alduin might have destroyed the world if not stopped at that point.

C) Yes, he hides, because he doesn't want the Blades to kill him, and he is watching for Alduin. He does NOT try to convince you of anything; he merely challenges you. There is nothing wrong with this. You can challenge someone you agree with to help them fully explore and justify their beliefs. Alduin is the world-eater, that is his job, Paarthurnax is just asking you if you are willing to resist the natural order--he does not condemn you for doing so.

D) His name is irrelevant. If your parents named you after a warlord, that doesn't mean you're a bad person.

E) Why are you remarking about the Graybeards not being particularly concerned with the lives of dragons like this matters somehow (not to mention your utter lack of evidence to this point; how do we know that the Graybeards know that dragons hang around word walls? And it's not like the dragons HAD to fight you, especially to the death, that was their choice.) Again, you are simultaneously arguing that dragons are bad, and killing dragons is bad. You are not very logically consistent.