How Big are your save files?

[NoctVirtuousIX]

My Save File is outright 130MB.. wth lmao.

Removed 2016 DLC and 9162 vanilla FORMID's, out of 11671 FORMID's in 490 seconds..

129MB was the result, yep, my save is prob r.i.p lol....

[smr1957]

Check to see if any of your mods are on this list:
Masterlist : Dangerous, Outdated and Superseded Mods by Nazenn
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681422555089/

Save bloat is caused by poorly designed and developed mods, and/or poor scripting. You will also have to start a new game, unless you can determine which mod was causing the bloat, and go back to a save made before you installed that mod.

Resetting Skyrim to Vanilla or A Clean Reinstall by grimus - http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/357285562484690267/

[NoctVirtuousIX]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Check to see if any of your mods are on this list:
Masterlist : Dangerous, Outdated and Superseded Mods by Nazenn
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681422555089/

Save bloat is caused by poorly designed and developed mods, and/or poor scripting. You will also have to start a new game, unless you can determine which mod was causing the bloat, and go back to a save made before you installed that mod.

Resetting Skyrim to Vanilla or A Clean Reinstall by grimus - http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/357285562484690267/

Oh snap, thank you, and new save huh? I hope that isn't the end-game here, however I get what you mean, I am using a save cleaner, it's taking forever, idk if It's working, do you want my mod list? I don't have any other save, all I know, every save, old or new, is 130MB+ .

Saving takes forever on an Samsung SSD, It's pissing me off lmao. Tbh my game is breaking, people are disappearing and stuff too.. I had to use Setstage heaps, maybe a new game is best-bet huh.

[smr1957]

I don't know what kind of experience you have at modding, so I'll post these:
Excellent advice regarding modding Skyrim (essay written by PeggleFrank - written for original Skyrim, but basic principles apply to SSE, as well) http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/343787920127409994/#c343787920127583150

Player spreadsheet - Player and Modding Resources by Ilja http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/594821545176386165/
VERY IMPORTANT if you wish to successfully mod your game

And, see the following resource for guides, turtorials, vids, and other necessary information:
HELPFUL LINKS AND REFERENCES
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/1482109512314623696/

[smr1957]

Save cleaners are not for fixing saves - regardless of what anyone else may say. See this for a long winded, boring - but complete - explanation:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/1495615865205745360/

[NoctVirtuousIX]

Originally posted by smr1957:

I don't know what kind of experience you have at modding, so I'll post these:
Excellent advice regarding modding Skyrim (essay written by PeggleFrank - written for original Skyrim, but basic principles apply to SSE, as well) http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/343787920127409994/#c343787920127583150

Player spreadsheet - Player and Modding Resources by Ilja http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/594821545176386165/
VERY IMPORTANT if you wish to successfully mod your game

And, see the following resource for guides, turtorials, vids, and other necessary information:
HELPFUL LINKS AND REFERENCES
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/1482109512314623696/

Played for 66 hours and no crashing, just people being not visable . and causing me to close and re-open, sometimes, had to use Setstage and moveto.player . I removed two mods I would figure it would be, Sazzy and some CBBE Outfit mod I had installed .

And yeah, we going to need a new-game for sure.. lol. Thank you for your help haha!

It has to be Sazzy tbh, I use the same modlist without that mod before & this is the first time..

[smr1957]

Good luck, and if your are unsure of anything, just post

[Grumpy]

you could post your load order, maybe someone else spot potential problems

[NoctVirtuousIX]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

you could post your load order, maybe someone else spot potential problems

Hello, Mr.Grumpy . I know it was Deadly Dragons or Real-Neeeds and w.e lmao..

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. - I removed some mods btw.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dawnguard.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
RaceCompatibility.esm
Falskaar.esm
MolagBalsInferno.esm
BSAssets.esm
BSHeartland.esm
BS_DLC_patch.esp
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
EFFCore.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
BSHeartland - Meshes.esp
BSHeartland - Textures.esp
SkyUI.esp
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
FNIS.esp
XPMSE.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
darkproject.esp
LakeHaven.esp
Rigmor.esp
w2salem.esp
summersetisles.esp
Dark Dungeons for Skyrim-Dawnguard-Dragonborn.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
PaleMarsh.esp
Brows.esp
SGEyebrows.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp
SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp
SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp
Grass Field.esp
FlowerFields.esp
MoonGlow.esp
The Ningheim.esp
Cute Adoptable.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
TKAA.esp
Falskaar TKAA Patch.esp
_ImoMegane.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
KS Jewelry.esp
TDNEquipableHorns.esp
Enhanced 3rd Person Camera V1.2.esp
Facelight.esp
FISS.esp
No NPC Greetings.esp
SkyHUD.esp
iHUD.esp
SkyHUD - iHUD Patch.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
RemoveExteriorFog-AIO.esp
EFFDialogue.esp
UIExtensions.esp
AddItemMenu2.esp
TemptressVixen.esp
Naruto Overhaul.esp
UchihaClan.esp
UchihaClan_RemoveSpellTomes.esp
DragonAspectEnhancement.esp
Unique Dragon Aspect.esp
TrueStorms.esp
Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics TS.esp
Dark Fantasy Weather Systems.esp
Heavenly Weather Systems.esp
LSFX-Audiosettings.esp
Behemoth Dragon.esp
SimpleTaxes.esp
Liberation Assassin Set.esp
Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp
Potions.esp
NoBlur.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
Seductress Serana.esp
ta4_ris.esp
Adernia.esp
Kathryn.esp
KNM_Mour.esp
Elisif Makeover.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Abundant Enchantments.esp
zzzEverlastingWeaponEnchant.esp
SkyTweak.esp
High Level Enemies.esp
High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp
High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
High Level Enemies - Falskaar.esp
High Level Enemies - Hardcore.esp
High Level Enemies - Increased Max Resists.esp
High Level Enemies - Raised Ability Caps.esp
EnemyEnhancer.esp
TrueEyes.esp

Originally posted by smr1957:

Good luck, and if your are unsure of anything, just post

Thank you, will do .

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by NoctVirtuousIX:

Originally posted by Grumpy:

you could post your load order, maybe someone else spot potential problems

Hello, Mr.Grumpy . I know it was Deadly Dragons or Real-Neeeds and w.e lmao..

I am not a mister, that sounds if I am really old ._.

is that load order sorted with LOOT? because its looks a bit weird at some places, like alternate state not at the end, lowest place is a beauty mod, and so on

[smr1957]

These need to be near the very bottom of your load order, as other mods have water record in them (whether they need them or not) and they will overwrite RW2's records, causing seams and other errors with regard to the appearance of water in the game.
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp

Also, Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp should also be at the bottom of your order, just before a Bashed Patch - which you do not have.

A Bashed Patch (made using Wrye Bash) is important because Skyrim does not handle Leveled Lists on its own, and you will therefore be missing a lot of content. Info on a Bashed Patch is covered in Section 5.3 of the Player Spreadsheet I linked.

[smr1957]

And one more thing - make sure NOTHING is overwriting XPMSE

[NoctVirtuousIX]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

Originally posted by NoctVirtuousIX:

Hello, Mr.Grumpy . I know it was Deadly Dragons or Real-Neeeds and w.e lmao..

I am not a mister, that sounds if I am really old ._.

is that load order sorted with LOOT? because its looks a bit weird at some places, like alternate state not at the end, lowest place is a beauty mod, and so on

haha, trying to be cheeky and I know you two, I moved it, only brawl bug fix is below it, although that water mod info, I didn't know it had to be that low, I will set that next time, the new save is working fine, I will look on that bashed patch as well & Yeah, nothing is overwriting that mod . I made sure of that haha!

I sort my load order myself from nothing in MO . I used to have patches for ALST, however I removed those patches, and made the save that is now broken and gone lmao, so now, ALST is in the right place we all know it should've moved to, I was just lazy. I won't be anymore though lol.

[smr1957]

A really good tool to learn to use is TES5Edit (refered to as xEdit, generically). Very involved, and definitely for the advanced modder, but if you learn to use it properly, you can accomplish wonders with your game.

Of course, if you use it and DON'T know what you are doing, you will also accomplish wonders with your game - but in a negative fashion!

[NoctVirtuousIX]

Originally posted by smr1957:

A really good tool to learn to use is TES5Edit (refered to as xEdit, generically). Very involved, and definitely for the advanced modder, but if you learn to use it properly, you can accomplish wonders with your game.

Of course, if you use it and DON'T know what you are doing, you will also accomplish wonders with your game - but in a negative fashion!

I got rid of the spells from Dawnguard, I know how to use that tool, I tweak followers and stuff, I just got mad at Serana using spells that do nothing vs swords that do something, my game is above base skyrim on legendary you see, a bear does 10K per hit, for example lmao. & it almost killed me, which proves it's working, I wanted fights, my Dawnbreaker is 3600, so it took some attacks for sure to kill that bear... ahaha!

I also just got a new batch of esms and cleaned all four of them, so now my game should be... as you now know..

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1461467076

[gonzoguns]

The Skyrim Save tool works great keeping your saves cleaned up, you can get at Nexus.

It will clean your save and back up the original, when your done your will be smaller, it cleans up the following;

> Cleans up dead script Instances
> it Deletes broken active scripts
> Deletes Broken Active scripts
> Cleans Forms Lists
> Resets Havok
> Advanced options
> Removes Scripts attached to the created forms that aren't present in the game
> Has others features if you know what your doing....Really Know what your doing

I run 255 mods, actually more are merged via a bashed patch

My end game saves are large, when they wanky and start to have load issues, I clean the save and the game keeps running without issues, it can make a huge difference, I use it after changing mods out to clean out all the trash that gets left behind even when you make a save.

My last save with almost every quest completed is 4.59 Megs

This is my load order;

Active Mods
• 00 Skyrim.esm

• 01 Update.esm

• 02 Dawnguard.esm

• 03 HearthFires.esm

• 04 Dragonborn.esm

• 05 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp [Version 3.0.13a]

• 06 ApachiiHairFemales.esm

• 07 ApachiiHairMales.esm

• 08 OSA.esm

• 09 SexLab.esm [Version 1.62]

• 0A SexLabAroused.esm [Version 2.8]

• 0B ApachiiHair.esm

• 0C SMSkyrim.esp [Version 5.1.3]

• 0D AOM.esm

• 0E BBLuxurySuite.esm

• 0F Falskaar.esm

• 10 DonJuansPlayersClubMaster.esm

• 11 AP Skyrim.esm

• 12 Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm

• 13 GeneralStores.esm

• 14 OblivionHairPackAIO.esm

• 15 SuccubusFollower.esp

• 16 TKChildren.esm

• 17 theeyesofbeauty.esm [Version 9]

• 18 hdtHighHeel.esm

• 19 Havok Breast Physic.esm

• 1A Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

• 1B PubicMeshColorRE.esm

• 1C Evil Lair of Hydra.esm

• 1D HighResTexturePack01.esp

• 1E HighResTexturePack02.esp

• 1F HighResTexturePack03.esp

• 20 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.2.0]

• 21 Wyrmstooth.esp [Version 1.9]

• 22 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

• 23 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

• 24 cleaner_castlevolkihar3.esp

• 25 eze-skyui.esp

• 26 Ranger Outfit.esp

• 27 SkyUI.esp

• 28 Realistic Haircolors.esp

• 29 Realistic-Voice.esp

• 2A RaceMenu.esp

• 2B RaceMenuPlugin.esp

• 2C chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp

• 2D NoMannequinMessage.esp

• 2E LeftHandRings.esp

• 2F Facelight.esp

• 30 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

• 31 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

• 32 RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp

• 33 KSWigsHDT.esp

• 34 Usable lantern.esp

• 35 AutoRechargeWeapons.esp

• 36 FAMP2.esp

• 37 RM Dwemer Gladiator.esp

• 38 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

• 39 SOS Tsun Armor.esp

• 3A SexLab ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.esp [Version 1.7.2]

• 3B Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp

• 3C SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp

• 3D SLAnimLoader.esp

• 3E GattiBondage1.esp

• 3F comvex-hmpriestess.esp

• 40 Daedric Extra Armor.esp

• 41 SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp [Version 1.0]

• 42 PrettyMotionMCM.esp

• 43 SeverinManorIsYourOwnHome.esp [Version 3.0]

• 44 Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp [Version 2.1]

• 45 HDTTESTEarring.esp

• 46 Vindicta.esp

• 47 Alduin Bikini.esp

• 48 Blade and Soul Negligee.esp

• 49 Bondage Straps - UNPB BBP.esp

• 4A Elewin high heels.esp

• 4B Follower Trap Safety.esp

• 4C Gatti14Yumiko.esp

• 4D NiaOutfit - UNPB BBP.esp

• 4E SuccubusNoClothes.esp

• 4F SwordDancer.esp

• 50 TKChildren_DB.esp

• 51 TKChildren_HF.esp

• 52 TreestumpConversions.esp

• 53 TwoRings.esp

• 54 UNP Leather Clothes.esp

• 55 UNPPantyhose.esp

• 56 rosarmor.esp

• 57 selobl_DarkLillith.esp

• 58 theeyesofbeauty.esp [Version 9]

• 59 wjun28.esp

• 5A babes combined.esp

• 5B Kawaii Face Presets.esp

• 5C Northern Bathhouses.esp

• 5D Forgotten DungeonsAll.esp

• 5E AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

• 5F RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

• 60 Helgen Reborn.esp [Version 105.3]

• 61 Castle Strunmah.esp

• 62 clubhouse.esp

• 63 QaxeQuestorium.esp

• 64 skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp

• 65 TheEvilMansionFE.esp

• 66 Northfires Photoreal Mountains.esp

• 67 Moss - Legendary.esp

• 68 Moss.esp

• 69 Moss_DB.esp

• 6A DF5Dibellas.2.1.esp

• 6B Clockwork.esp

• 6C AzuraHouse.esp

• 6D AOM.esp

• 6E Thanes Breezehome Additions .esp

• 6F Finally! Real Boats!.esp

• 70 SMIM-Merged-All.esp

• 71 zNightMistressMansion.esp

• 72 RiverRock.esp

• 73 WindPath.esp

• 74 Immersive Horses.esp

• 75 Immersive Horses - Vanilla.esp

• 76 Sir Alethz_DraconhamCastleProject01.esp

• 77 MistySkye.esp

• 78 Sephina.esp

• 79 Ducks and Swans.esp

• 7A RealisticWaterTwo.esp

• 7B RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp

• 7C RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp

• 7D RiverwoodKeep.esp

• 7E Atlas Map Markers.esp

• 7F SolsticeCastle.esp

• 80 Marriable Serana.esp [Version 1.6.2]

• 81 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp

• 82 OMB Luxury Player Homes.esp

• 83 allmarkersvisible_dawn_en.esp

• 84 HoamaiiClearskyHideout.esp

• 85 Wynter.esp

• 86 Map Markers Complete.esp

• 87 Recorder Follower Base.esp

• 88 Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp

• 89 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp

• 8A SofiaFollower.esp

• 8B BikiniMaidenFull.esp

• 8C LeftHandRings_1stPersonView.esp

• 8D RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp

• 8E CampingKitNorthernRanger - Without Amberwood.esp

• 8F BlackreachRailroadNew.esp

• 90 skyradio.esp

• 91 CompanionArissa.esp

• 92 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

• 93 SOS - Shop.esp

• 94 FishingInSkyrim.esp

• 95 Falskaar Home Improvement.esp

• 96 Atlas Dawnguard.esp

• 97 DB_Bayview_Playerhome.esp

• 98 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp

• 99 SexLab Eager NPCs.esp

• 9A RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp

• 9B BBLS-Combined-BoM-HF-OS+DB.esp

• 9C Gonzo Dovakin Armor.esp

• 9D Atlas Dragonborn.esp

• 9E Pilotable Rowboat BETA.esp

• 9F Atlas Hearthfire.esp

• A0 Zxa Mannequin.esp

• A1 My Home Is Your Home.esp

• A2 Zxa Stash Chest.esp

• A3 Aya.esp

• A4 BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp

• A5 Havok Breast Physic.esp

• A6 HDT Havok Object.esp

• A7 Wolfbikini.esp

• A8 HOBSunnysky.esp

• A9 ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp

• AA Viconia.esp

• AB AK- Boethiah Alternate.esp

• AC HOBEveline.esp

• AD RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp

• AE RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp

• AF FalskaarClouds.esp

• B0 SkinnyDipping.esp

• B1 NewVampChainsArmorReplacer.esp

• B2 Alexandria_Standalone_Follower_by_germanware.esp

• B3 Merta Assassin Armor.esp

• B4 SororityGirlsOfSkyrimByAsherz.esp

• B5 Merta Black Rose Armor.esp

• B6 Skysan_UltraSkimpy.esp

• B7 Atlas Blackreach.esp

• B8 Headtracking.esp

• B9 Karliah-Nightengale.esp

• BA Lydia GonzoLook.esp

• BB Mjoll the Lioness Babe.esp

• BC NewmillerCasualBikiniUNP2.esp

• BD Silverlight Armor.esp

• BE Summon Serana.esp

• BF TKChildren_V.esp

• C0 Vampire_NoSunDamage_Hoods&Helmets.esp [Version 1.3]

• C1 hirelingjenassa.esp

• C2 Zxajj Companion.esp

• C3 numenume Hair.esp

• C4 sanctuarycleanup.esp

• C5 Convenient Horses.esp

• C6 BBLSapachii_Light.esp

• C7 sextoys-calyps-2.esp

• ++ Aya - Patch.esp

• C8 Strap.esp

• C9 UNPB BBP Conversions.esp

• CA VNPCExtras.esp

• CB BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

• CC SLALAnimObj.esp

• CD susan-G.esp

• CE Revealing Ebony Nocturna.esp

• CF FNIS.esp

• D0 FNISspells.esp

• D1 FNIS_PCEA2.esp

• D2 FNISSexyMove.esp

• D3 ClearWater_for_ENB_RWT.esp

• D4 Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp

• D5 Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp

• D6 RideSharing.esp

• D7 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp

• D8 Dora AC.esp

• D9 ImprovedFishBASIC.esp

• DA SOSRaceMenu.esp

• DB 12FemaleBrows.esp

• DC Extended Slider Colors.esp

• DD NatildesFaceOptions.esp

• DE PC Exclusive Animation Path - 0 - Main.esp

• DF PC Exclusive Animation Path - Argonian.esp

• E0 PC Exclusive Animation Path - Breton.esp

• E1 PC Exclusive Animation Path - DarkElf.esp

• E2 PC Exclusive Animation Path - HighElf.esp

• E3 PC Exclusive Animation Path - Imperial.esp

• E4 PC Exclusive Animation Path - Khajiit.esp

• E5 PC Exclusive Animation Path - Nord.esp

• E6 PC Exclusive Animation Path - ORC.esp

• E7 PC Exclusive Animation Path - RedGuard.esp

• E8 PC Exclusive Animation Path - WoodElf.esp

• E9 Jennifer.esp

• EA KS Hairdos - HDT.esp

• EB NPC Body Scale Randomizer.esp

• EC RailLight.esp

• ED SexLab_SOS-Stapon.esp

• EE UIExtensions.esp

• EF AddItemMenu.esp

• F0 XPMSE.esp

• F1 Lyudmila.esp

• F2 Kate Follower.esp

• F3 Cassia.esp

• F4 Teleportation Spell.esp

• F5 GriptzionTeleportMenuSpell.esp