Can other races enter Sovngarde?

[CBumEnjoyer]

I know that if you die bravely in battle or have done great deeds in the mortal life you can go into Sovngarde, but we only hear and see Nords doing that. I think a big reason is that the other Races such as Khajiit and Orcs have different places they go when they die because it is their actual goal. But what if a Khajiit or a Thalmor has Nordic beleifs? what if they Fight to enter Sovngarde and worship Talos? can they still enter?

[mpd1958]

Personally, I would say yes.

[Breastie]

Khajiits go to furry heaven

[Valden21]

As far as I know, the answer is yes. The answer to where an individual ends up in the TES universe primarily depends on who they worshipped, not what race they are. The one exception to this is being a werewolf or a vampire. Sovngarde is its own special part of Aetherius, but I don't think that worshipping Talos is a prerequisite for entry. IIRC, the ONLY requirement is to die heroically.

[Rez Elwin]

No they can't, this is confirmed by the Civil war questline, no imperials or otherwise are here, but you do see Stormcloak and Legion NORD warriors. Even Imperials/elves etc. that believe in talos are were born and raised in Skyrim. Also the Ebony warrior one of the most powerful people in Skyrim who died very honorably in a fight with the Dragonborn doesn't end up there as he is Redguard, though he says “finally Sovngarde” nobody has ever come back besides the DB so he didn't know he wouldn’t get there. It would appear by game evidence that only Nords and Atmorans are permitted to enter.

[CBumEnjoyer]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

No they can't, this is confirmed by the Civil war questline, no imperials or otherwise are here, but you do see Stormcloak and Legion NORD warriors. Even Imperials/elves etc. that believe in talos are were born and raised in Skyrim. Also the Ebony warrior one of the most powerful people in Skyrim who died very honorably in a fight with the Dragonborn doesn't end up there as he is Redguard, though he says “finally Sovngarde” nobody has ever come back besides the DB so he didn't know he wouldn’t get there. It would appear by game evidence that only Nords and Atmorans are permitted to enter.

Hmm, that part about the ebony warrior is strange, after all his entire quest was to die in battle to get to sovngarde. I am pretty sure there is more to getting into sovngarde than actually just being a nord and dying boldly in battle. But hey, you never know.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

No they can't, this is confirmed by the Civil war questline, no imperials or otherwise are here, but you do see Stormcloak and Legion NORD warriors. Even Imperials/elves etc. that believe in talos are were born and raised in Skyrim. Also the Ebony warrior one of the most powerful people in Skyrim who died very honorably in a fight with the Dragonborn doesn't end up there as he is Redguard, though he says “finally Sovngarde” nobody has ever come back besides the DB so he didn't know he wouldn’t get there. It would appear by game evidence that only Nords and Atmorans are permitted to enter.

Hard to tell the difference between an Imperial and a Nord without them telling you. Not saying you are wrong, just it's hard to tell humans apart in TES games, with the exception of Redguards and some Bretons who have slightly darker skin.

Also you can't take in game scenes at face value, Bethesda have previously said they don't put everyone in, and that untold masses might be unseen in every game. So possibly the odd Redguard or Khajiit might make it into Sovngard. Although most might prefer an afterlife that isn't spent around drunken Nords.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

No they can't, this is confirmed by the Civil war questline, no imperials or otherwise are here, but you do see Stormcloak and Legion NORD warriors. Even Imperials/elves etc. that believe in talos are were born and raised in Skyrim. Also the Ebony warrior one of the most powerful people in Skyrim who died very honorably in a fight with the Dragonborn doesn't end up there as he is Redguard, though he says “finally Sovngarde” nobody has ever come back besides the DB so he didn't know he wouldn’t get there. It would appear by game evidence that only Nords and Atmorans are permitted to enter.

Hard to tell the difference between an Imperial and a Nord without them telling you. Not saying you are wrong, just it's hard to tell humans apart in TES games, with the exception of Redguards and some Bretons who have slightly darker skin.

Also you can't take in game scenes at face value, Bethesda have previously said they don't put everyone in, and that untold masses might be unseen in every game. So possibly the odd Redguard or Khajiit might make it into Sovngard. Although most might prefer an afterlife that isn't spent around drunken Nords.

Well Nords are slightly taller and have a slightly different facial structure, as they did descend from the same people they are quite similar.. But they can be told apart if you gage their height and I didn't see a single non-nord anywhere.

If other Races besides Atmorans and Nords can get there I think we should have seen at least one. And like I said the Ebony Warrior doesn't end up there and his whole deal was dying in combat against a worthy foe to go to Sovngarde. I do think though that every race has their own afterlife and they go where they would be most comfortable, provided they haven’t signed a contract with a Daedric Prince.

Perhaps non-nords could end up there but not at the Hall of Valor or whatever that place is called, we only get to see a small part of the entire place after all.

[SilentAegis]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Hard to tell the difference between an Imperial and a Nord without them telling you. Not saying you are wrong, just it's hard to tell humans apart in TES games, with the exception of Redguards and some Bretons who have slightly darker skin.

Also you can't take in game scenes at face value, Bethesda have previously said they don't put everyone in, and that untold masses might be unseen in every game. So possibly the odd Redguard or Khajiit might make it into Sovngard. Although most might prefer an afterlife that isn't spent around drunken Nords.

Well Nords are slightly taller and have a slightly different facial structure, as they did descend from the same people they are quite similar.. But they can be told apart if you gage their height and I didn't see a single non-nord anywhere.

If other Races besides Atmorans and Nords can get there I think we should have seen at least one. And like I said the Ebony Warrior doesn't end up there and his whole deal was dying in combat against a worthy foe to go to Sovngarde. I do think though that every race has their own afterlife and they go where they would be most comfortable, provided they haven’t signed a contract with a Daedric Prince.

Perhaps non-nords could end up there but not at the Hall of Valor or whatever that place is called, we only get to see a small part of the entire place after all.

Imperials also commonly have black hair while Nords usually have red or blonde hair, though there are exceptions, such as Lydia.

Their names can also point it out. Imperials tend to have Roman and Italian names.

[liosalpha]

Sovngarde is just a mid way station in the end everything goes to the dreamsleeve for the soul to be purged and to be reborn on mundus.

So i think iit does not matter what race goes to where. aslongs as it makes sence to the soul. A Khajit raised by nords would be just a nord in culture, as the next.

[Tequila Lemon]

EDIT: Revised my sources, and i couldnt find canon Khajit harbingers, i apologize

From in-game sources alone, there might be some workarounds for non-nords to get into Sovngarde; from Tsun's dialogue lines apparently just being a Dragonborn guarantees your entrance; and while canonically the last dragonborn is most likely a nord, the Septim dynasty were mostly dragonborn and mainly of imperial descent iirc

Also, there's the Companions; there has been Harbingers from other races like Redguards, Khajit and even Altmer, and at the end of their questline Kodlak states that he's reunited with the rest of his cursed predecessors and after curing him he mentions he'll join the rest of the companions at Sovngarde

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Tequila Lemon:

Also, there's the Companions; there has been Harbingers from other races like Redguards, Khajit and even Altmer, and at the end of their questline Kodlak states that he's reunited with the rest of his cursed predecessors and after curing him he mentions he'll join the rest of the companions at Sovngarde

That would count as proof that non-Nords can indeed get into Sovngard.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by Tequila Lemon:

Also, there's the Companions; there has been Harbingers from other races like Redguards, Khajit and even Altmer, and at the end of their questline Kodlak states that he's reunited with the rest of his cursed predecessors and after curing him he mentions he'll join the rest of the companions at Sovngarde

That would count as proof that non-Nords can indeed get into Sovngard.

Not actually, all it means is that he BELIEVES he'll join them, assuming of course that there has been non nord Harbingers, which I'm not sure we have evidence of.

[Tequila Lemon]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

That would count as proof that non-Nords can indeed get into Sovngard.

Not actually, all it means is that he BELIEVES he'll join them, assuming of course that there has been non nord Harbingers, which I'm not sure we have evidence of.

At the end of Main quest if Companions line is completed before, Kodlak can be found roaming around Sovngarde, although he's the only Companion present there, Kodlak somehow explained at the tomb that PC can only see him because he's the only Harbinger the dragonborn has met, so whether this only applies to werewolf harbingers that were hiding with him or also those at Sovngarde is unknown (not taking into account the game's limitations); as for foreign Harbingers all i got is the ingame book "Great Harbingers", listing a Redguard (Cirroc the Lofty) and a non-specified elf (Henantier the Outsider)

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Great_Harbingers

[fauxpas]

I dont buy the "you can only see ghosts you've met" while in SG itself, although the engine limitations is a very real point.

[Tequila Lemon]

Ikr?, i always thought what Kodlak said was just Bethesda's handwave as for why he's the only Companion found at the afterlife, yet still is the only lore i found related to topic