Entering Sovngarde as a werewolf?

[[FG] Denisowator]

So I just finished the Companions questline (I think), and I have the option to throw a witch head into the fire and cure myself.

I know that at the end of the game you go to Sovngarde to fight Alduin. And I was wondering how the werewolf part affects that. The only discussions or questions I ever found were purely lore based. No one ever seems to actually address the gameplay part directly.

Would you just not be able to go to Sovngarde until you cure yourself? Like how you can't go to the top of the greybeards mountain until you unlock a shout.

Also if you cure yourself, is there any way of becoming a werewolf again?

P.S. Please don't spoil anything in the answers. I still don't know exactly how the dragonborn, Ulfric, etc, get to Sovngarde. I just know that they do as I've seen videos of the Alduin boss battle.

[Sgt.Random♿]

It doesn't affect it at all.

[[FG] Denisowator]

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

It doesn't affect it at all.

Is that due to the player being the dragonborn or something? Or it is just one of the great Bethesda logics?

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by FG Denisowator:

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

It doesn't affect it at all.

Is that due to the player being the dragonborn or something? Or it is just one of the great Bethesda logics?

Its HOW you enter, but I suppose in theory being Dragonborn gives you a special connection to Big A.

[Cydramech]

The only thing being werewolf does in regard to Sovngarde is you get an extra dialog choice with the guardian. :)

[Sgt.Random♿]

Originally posted by FG Denisowator:

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

It doesn't affect it at all.

Is that due to the player being the dragonborn or something? Or it is just one of the great Bethesda logics?

It doesn't matter beacuse even/when you die (and people with a dragon soul live like 500 years or something close to that) every daedric prince will be like "his soul is mine!" but whichever one wins the Dragonborn will probably be able to beat that prince beacuse the Dragonborn is actually very powerful.

[MentalRaptors]

I went to Sovngarde and back and I still have that ugly Glenmoril witch's head on a shelf...

In short: Yes you can.

[M͕͕͗͗i͕͕͗͗y͕͕͗͗o]

Originally posted by FG Denisowator:

Would you just not be able to go to Sovngarde until you cure yourself? Like how you can't go to the top of the greybeards mountain until you unlock a shout.

that is correct that you can enter sovengarde only if you are cured but only if you decide to stay there. and we all know that ONLY the dead people can stay in Sovengarde. but the Dragonborn is not dead so it plays no matter if you are werewolf or not

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

Originally posted by FG Denisowator:

Is that due to the player being the dragonborn or something? Or it is just one of the great Bethesda logics?

It doesn't matter beacuse even/when you die (and people with a dragon soul live like 500 years or something close to that) every daedric prince will be like "his soul is mine!" but whichever one wins the Dragonborn will probably be able to beat that prince beacuse the Dragonborn is actually very powerful.

A living Dragonborn is powerful, the soul of one less so. The mechanics is complicated, especially as Akatosh automatically has a claim on your soul, but once you die you weaken. You never get to face the full power of a Daedric prince while alive, once you die you go straight to the Prince that gets your soul, it's an impossible battle, they will win.

However who if anyone gets your soul is more complicated than them all simply says that soul is mine, your soul will have a resonance with them, the Daedric prince who your soul resonates more with will probably win it. It might be Hircine if you are a werewolf, or it might be one of the others.

[Sgt.Random♿]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

It doesn't matter beacuse even/when you die (and people with a dragon soul live like 500 years or something close to that) every daedric prince will be like "his soul is mine!" but whichever one wins the Dragonborn will probably be able to beat that prince beacuse the Dragonborn is actually very powerful.

A living Dragonborn is powerful, the soul of one less so. The mechanics is complicated, especially as Akatosh automatically has a claim on your soul, but once you die you weaken. You never get to face the full power of a Daedric prince while alive, once you die you go straight to the Prince that gets your soul, it's an impossible battle, they will win.

However who if anyone gets your soul is more complicated than them all simply says that soul is mine, your soul will have a resonance with them, the Daedric prince who your soul resonates more with will probably win it. It might be Hircine if you are a werewolf, or it might be one of the others.

Well I worded that incorrectly, but while he is alive he could beat any Daedric Prince to get rid of their soul claim on him, that's a fact, he is a more powerful "Hero of Kvatch" from Oblivion and we know that the Hero of Kvatch beat Jyggalag and became a Daedric lord himself, and I like to think somebody who has shouts has a bigger advantage and would probably be a lot stronger than the Hero of Kvatch.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the Nine Divines can be killed permanently, unlike the Daedra, so I think that the Dragonborn could try to fight him and even win.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

A living Dragonborn is powerful, the soul of one less so. The mechanics is complicated, especially as Akatosh automatically has a claim on your soul, but once you die you weaken. You never get to face the full power of a Daedric prince while alive, once you die you go straight to the Prince that gets your soul, it's an impossible battle, they will win.

However who if anyone gets your soul is more complicated than them all simply says that soul is mine, your soul will have a resonance with them, the Daedric prince who your soul resonates more with will probably win it. It might be Hircine if you are a werewolf, or it might be one of the others.

Well I worded that incorrectly, but while he is alive he could beat any Daedric Prince to get rid of their soul claim on him, that's a fact, he is a more powerful "Hero of Kvatch" from Oblivion and we know that the Hero of Kvatch beat Jyggalag and became a Daedric lord himself, and I like to think somebody who has shouts has a bigger advantage and would probably be a lot stronger than the Hero of Kvatch.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the Nine Divines can be killed permanently, unlike the Daedra, so I think that the Dragonborn could try to fight him and even win.

Nope, the Shivering Isles was set up by Sheg, and by the time the Hero faced Jygg she had already walked the circle as I recall.

[Sgt.Random♿]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

Well I worded that incorrectly, but while he is alive he could beat any Daedric Prince to get rid of their soul claim on him, that's a fact, he is a more powerful "Hero of Kvatch" from Oblivion and we know that the Hero of Kvatch beat Jyggalag and became a Daedric lord himself, and I like to think somebody who has shouts has a bigger advantage and would probably be a lot stronger than the Hero of Kvatch.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the Nine Divines can be killed permanently, unlike the Daedra, so I think that the Dragonborn could try to fight him and even win.

Nope, the Shivering Isles was set up by Sheg, and by the time the Hero faced Jygg she had already walked the circle as I recall.

The Hero still faced and beat Jyggalag, later becoming Sheogorath.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Nope, the Shivering Isles was set up by Sheg, and by the time the Hero faced Jygg she had already walked the circle as I recall.

The Hero still faced and beat Jyggalag, later becoming Sheogorath.

Granted it's been a while, but the hero was WELL into the process of mantling Sheg before she faced Jygg, mantling is a process not a step.

[Sgt.Random♿]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

The Hero still faced and beat Jyggalag, later becoming Sheogorath.

Granted it's been a while, but the hero was WELL into the process of mantling Sheg before she faced Jygg, mantling is a process not a step.

Wait what, I never played the Shivering Isles but didn't the Hero of Kvatch beat the Daedric Prince Of Order, Jyggalag in his full power? Jyggalag has to be Sheogorath beacuse of a curse, but once every Era he could turn back into his normal self to set order once again.

"Enough! I am beaten. The Greymarch is ended. For millennia this drama has unfolded, and each time, I have conqeured this land, only to be transformed back into that gibbering fool, Sheogorath."

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Granted it's been a while, but the hero was WELL into the process of mantling Sheg before she faced Jygg, mantling is a process not a step.

Wait what, I never played the Shivering Isles but didn't the Hero of Kvatch beat the Daedric Prince Of Order, Jyggalag in his full power? Jyggalag has to be Sheogorath beacuse of a curse, but once every Era he could turn back into his normal self to set order once again.

"Enough! I am beaten. The Greymarch is ended. For millennia this drama has unfolded, and each time, I have conqeured this land, only to be transformed back into that gibbering fool, Sheogorath."

Mantling, which was what Sheg set in motion in the Shivering Isles is the process of alinging your essence with someone else (the examples we have is mortals mantling godlike beings but I'm not sure of a lore reason that you couldn't mantle another mortal) to the point that the universe itself can no longer tell the difference and retcons itself so the two if you were ALWAYS the same being.

So, yes, that battle wasn't an example of a mortal defeating a God, it was an example if a God using a loophole in the laws of the universe to defeat themself.

[Sgt.Random♿]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by Sgt.Random:

Wait what, I never played the Shivering Isles but didn't the Hero of Kvatch beat the Daedric Prince Of Order, Jyggalag in his full power? Jyggalag has to be Sheogorath beacuse of a curse, but once every Era he could turn back into his normal self to set order once again.

"Enough! I am beaten. The Greymarch is ended. For millennia this drama has unfolded, and each time, I have conqeured this land, only to be transformed back into that gibbering fool, Sheogorath."

Mantling, which was what Sheg set in motion in the Shivering Isles is the process of alinging your essence with someone else (the examples we have is mortals mantling godlike beings but I'm not sure of a lore reason that you couldn't mantle another mortal) to the point that the universe itself can no longer tell the difference and retcons itself so the two if you were ALWAYS the same being.

So, yes, that battle wasn't an example of a mortal defeating a God, it was an example if a God using a loophole in the laws of the universe to defeat themself.

So basically you were Sheogorath fighting Jyggalag?