Help kill command and setessential 0 fails to work on brynjolf?

[Asenath]

I am playing as a good dragonborn a hero so I prefer not to get forced into any of the evil or semi-evil quests like the thieves guild questling brynjolf is scripted to force the mission in the quest log and well it would seem that the npc is bugged I am not able to setessential 0 on hom or kill him only disable/enable him no matter if i have the console open and click on him or just use his id console don't work for him any fixable suggestions?

[alexander_dougherty]

Er, just don't do the thieves guild then, considering all the other evils a Dragonborn could be fighting, a failing guild of thieves is small fry. Go concentrate on the Dark Brotherhood, the Dragons, the vampires and werewolves, the various bandits (who actually kill people unlike the thieves), random daedra, etc.

[JDaremo Fireheart]

actually, thieves guild questline isn't totally evil. You actually clean it up.
Dark Brotherhood isn't totally evil either.

[Eternie]

Also if you have a great speechcraft you can tell Bryjolf your not interested.It does require a bit of luck But I have had that happen which I was glad about as I do dislike the having the quest thrust at me. If your careful you can also just ignore Bryjolf by not letting him talk to you. Thus ignoring the thieves guild.

Those options are way better than using console to kill an NPC that is essential as a quest giver.

[Uncle64]

When there is 2 mods that allows you to take down Thieves guild?
Stopp messing whit console.
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/78588 Thieves Guild Destruction Quest For The Good Guys

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28880 Destroy the Thieves Guild - Final version
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50378/? Disband the Thieves Guild

[smr1957]

Just to really emphasize what others have alluded to. Brynolf (as are most other thieves guild members) is flagged as Essntial by the game. NPCs with this flag CANNOT be killed. If you do kill them (by using a mod, for example) you break any quests that they are even remotely linked to - and it WILL break your game.

Console is a developer's tool, NOT a gameplay aid. While certain commands are relatively safe, it is a last resort. If you have used a command and have subsequently broken your game, we cannot help, and we will not - short of telling you to go back to a save made before you used the command.

For complete information as to dangers of using the console, see:
Regarding Use of Console Commands
http://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1700542332341394328/?tscn=1518656453#c2860219962080103952

If you do not like or care for a particular questline, just ignore; in Skyrim, no questline is mandatory - not even the Main Quest

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by JDaremo Fireheart:

actually, thieves guild questline isn't totally evil. You actually clean it up.
Dark Brotherhood isn't totally evil either.

Dark Brotherhood IS evil.

It's an Assassins Guild that worships a Deity that desires the destruction of all of reality (Sithis might be prepared to wait a long time, but the destruction of everything is his goal). While individual members might have redeeming qualities, the organisation as a whole does not.

Again the Dark Brotherhood is evil.

I agree that the Thieves Guild is amoral rather than evil.

[Asenath]

Originally posted by JDaremo Fireheart:

actually, thieves guild questline isn't totally evil. You actually clean it up.
Dark Brotherhood isn't totally evil either.

right that is why I typed semi-evil meaning a lesser evil, stealing is a lesser evil if you think about it, shame that beth did not set a optional holy path/good path every quest is forced into the player's log book that is why I dislike the mod comentary overhaul, I have disabled brynjolf atleast the Civil War Neutrality mod by plunket works like a charm erases the civil war join from the player's journal every time it is added.

[Asenath]

Originally posted by Uncle64SwE:

When there is 2 mods that allows you to take down Thieves guild?
Stopp messing whit console.
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/78588 Thieves Guild Destruction Quest For The Good Guys

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28880 Destroy the Thieves Guild - Final version
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50378/? Disband the Thieves Guild

Destroy the Thieves Guild only spawns copies of the original npc's for the player to kill off while the real non copies are locked in the thieves vault and makes a copy of mercer as a vampire not a worthy mod,and Thieves Guild Destruction Quest only delays the quest.

[red255]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by JDaremo Fireheart:

actually, thieves guild questline isn't totally evil. You actually clean it up.
Dark Brotherhood isn't totally evil either.

Dark Brotherhood IS evil.

It's an Assassins Guild that worships a Deity that desires the destruction of all of reality (Sithis might be prepared to wait a long time, but the destruction of everything is his goal). While individual members might have redeeming qualities, the organisation as a whole does not.

Again the Dark Brotherhood is evil.

I agree that the Thieves Guild is amoral rather than evil.

Don't let yourself get triggered.

As evil things go, DB is evil. apparently he needs them to kick puppies and tie people to train tracks to be evil.

you don't need to go on about it. TG is chaotic. opposite of law. not something a paladin would do, generally speaking its a bunch of outside the law activities.

[Asenath]

Originally posted by red255:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Dark Brotherhood IS evil.

It's an Assassins Guild that worships a Deity that desires the destruction of all of reality (Sithis might be prepared to wait a long time, but the destruction of everything is his goal). While individual members might have redeeming qualities, the organisation as a whole does not.

Again the Dark Brotherhood is evil.

I agree that the Thieves Guild is amoral rather than evil.

Don't let yourself get triggered.

As evil things go, DB is evil. apparently he needs them to kick puppies and tie people to train tracks to be evil.

you don't need to go on about it. TG is chaotic. opposite of law. not something a paladin would do, generally speaking its a bunch of outside the law activities.

ah well I am playing as the dragonborn but not just the personality/actions but the apperance dragonborn skin/half dragon race how a dragonborn should look yes trying to find mods that fix beth mistakes like the one mod shutup dirge by the gogs annoying beth made him and others like that.or like this funny mod Divine Punishment for Mention of Arrows in the Knee by toaDime lol I wonder if he is the same creator of the oblivion mod "you have my ear".

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by red255:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Dark Brotherhood IS evil.

It's an Assassins Guild that worships a Deity that desires the destruction of all of reality (Sithis might be prepared to wait a long time, but the destruction of everything is his goal). While individual members might have redeeming qualities, the organisation as a whole does not.

Again the Dark Brotherhood is evil.

I agree that the Thieves Guild is amoral rather than evil.

Don't let yourself get triggered.

As evil things go, DB is evil. apparently he needs them to kick puppies and tie people to train tracks to be evil.

you don't need to go on about it. TG is chaotic. opposite of law. not something a paladin would do, generally speaking its a bunch of outside the law activities.

I wasn't going on about it, I was offering some evidence to support my position. Two brief posts do not amount to going on about something, especially when one is in response to someone else's post.

If you think this is overdoing it, then these forums are not for you. I will admit that occassionally I do overdo it, but this aint one of those times.

[Asenath]

well to all who say thieves guild is not evil I agree but I kind of dislike how beth made the skyrim thieves guild compared to the original from oblivion as the gray fox in my opinion the two are both completly different and skyrim thieves guild should have been made like that of oblivion more lore-friendly as the thieves guild in oblivion Nocturnal disliked the thieves and was only part of the questline only because the mask was stolen from Nocturnal unlike skyrim's thieves guild Nocturnal is the main one incharge of that and in my opinion is not lore-friendly I think I prefer the thieves guild of old/Oblivion thieves guild better.

[Uncle64]

Skyrim one game.
Oblivion one old game.
Not all have played that relic.

[Asenath]

Originally posted by Uncle64SwE:

Skyrim one game.
Oblivion one old game.
Not all have played that relic.

Originally posted by Uncle64SwE:

Skyrim one game.
Oblivion one old game.
Not all have played that relic.

well those who played it some like me still enjoy playing old school games like that I prefer the word old school not relic and I also still enjoy morrowind.

[Ilja]

Lore?
In BGS games?

Lore in BGS games is what ever BGS decides it to be, when they are working with TES or FO game.

Anyway. If you guys don't want to get involved with TG, without being thieves, then this mod might be for you. It is the one I am using anyway. If I want to be a thief, then I need to so something for it. If not, then Bryn will not pester me about it in the first place.

Thieves Guild Requirements by Kryptopyr
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/14157/