Is it me, or are Daedroths SCARED?

[Wryson Rose]

I've reached Master Conjuration, and have been using the Daedroth as my summon (simply because it far outshines the daedric lord in combat prowess) and I'm noticing a strange pattern. Every so often, my daedra will act cowardly. Not engage. They'll actively run away from a fight.

What's up with this? I admit I'm not up to speed on the FULL daedra lore, but I don't think a cowardly daedra would exist.

[Wryson Rose]

Bump for help please.

I'm still tryin' to figure out why these daedroth I summon seem to flee in fear, or just not engage in combat. Ideas, anyone?

[Valden21]

IIRC, daedroth are supposed to be some of the more intelligent daedra. At least, they're intelligent enough to know when they're outmatched. What are the circumstances you're in when they run? Who/what are you fighting, and what's your health at the time?

[Wryson Rose]

My health is full, and it's a freshly summoned daedroth. It's happened repeatedly and often against falmer. Not too many, but maybe some difficult ones (i'm level 45+).

They just seem to freak and back off. They don't engage, they don't fight back, they just seem to get it in their head to back off.

[󰀉tempeh󰀉]

Wait, what are you summoning? Daedroth isn't on the vanilla spell list; is it from a mod, or did you just write the wrong name? At any rate, some of those falmer can be as high as level 48, and bosses go as high as level 64. The shamans can also banish daedra and turn undead.

Incidentally, the plural of daedroth is daedra. Those venom-spitting crocodile things have a very generic name because no mortal's quite sure what they are, other than that they're from Oblivion. Probably just an animal? They don't seem very smart. If you've literally been summoning the generically-named crocodillians called "daedroth", sure, I'd believe they can chicken out sometimes.

If you mean you've been using the Sanguine Rose to summon dremora, those guys are intelligent... and only go up to level 46, so they're outclassed by high-level falmer. They're Mehrunes Dagon's army, though, and the valkynaz are elite royal guards and generals, so they shouldn't be cowards. Now dremora churls, on the other hand, those guys are cowards when faced with their superiors; they lack the maturity to acknowledge powerful mortals as their superiors, however, so it still doesn't make sense. Dremora lords, such as markynaz and valkynaz, might have the sense to see you as an equal or a worthy opponent. They still shouldn't cower before enemies, though; that's just unprofessional. Either way, it just doesn't make any sense.

Maybe there's a problem with pathfinding or AI?

[Ashardalon]

not sure but are those falmer using bound swords?
falmer are some of the only creatures that use them
isnt making summons run away a perk for bound swords?
its a long time sinse i played and its likely just derpy skyrim pathing but it could be an explanation

[Meme Lord Stranger]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

not sure but are those falmer using bound swords?
falmer are some of the only creatures that use them
isnt making summons run away a perk for bound swords?
its a long time sinse i played and its likely just derpy skyrim pathing but it could be an explanation

As far as I know, Falmer don't use bound weapons at all. The only NPCs in the entire game that I have seen do that are the Thalmor agents and soldiers.

As for the perk, I am not sure if there is a perk that makes summons run away when using a bound weapon. But if it is true, OP might have been accidentally hitting them with it

[Bomb Bloke]

UESP notes that although they don't know the spell, Falmer shaman do carry bound swords. These may banish summons, or turn "raised" creatures.

I reckon 󰀉cloudeh󰀉's on the right track, though: daedroth aren't in the base game, so presumably a mod is adding them and the author gave them a low confidence stat.

[Wryson Rose]

Welp, I'm an official dunce. I honestly thought the Daedra was a vanilla conjuration. Apparently it comes with the College of Winterhold mod, or so I believe.

I guess that's a nevermind then. Apologies all!